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Re: Several Questions From A 17 Year Old Prospect
« Reply #60 on: July 18, 2008, 02:12:03 pm »

One thing I was unprepared for when I went out on my own at 17 was the huge amount of money needed to get set up.  No one ever mentioned the first and last months' rent deposits to me, or the deposits and connection fees for utilities.  You needed about four months' worth of living expenses up front just to get started.  Just renting a room for a time while you save for those expenses will help cushion you a bit.
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Re: Several Questions From A 17 Year Old Prospect
« Reply #61 on: July 18, 2008, 04:33:21 pm »

Thanks for the info from both of you. :)



Can anyone tell me why its so expensive just to attend a community college?  Over here in California I can go to Fullerton Junior College and only pay $25 for a three credit class, while I have to pay $525 for the same class at Manchester Community College - and yes, that's the in-state cost.

My family and I can't afford to pay over $2,000 just for 12 credits at a community college.  :'(  I have no problem teaching my self everything I want to learn, without attending college at all, but it seems like some kind of a degree is necessary to get involved with the things I wanna be involved with, such as a career in politics.  If you can show me a demographic that will vote for someone with my high school grades (which are just plain awful) and no post-high school education, then I will gladly skip college, haha.  But that isn't likely.

Any explanation on why schools in New Hampshire are so expensive?  Is it less state spending?  Less federal spending?  Less taxes and inflation?  But as of now it just sucks that my parents have paid into the system over here in California, both through taxes and inflation, and now, since I'm moving to NH, I get no benefit for the money that was taken from them and I actually have to spend more for college.

Any thoughts?  Thanks.
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Re: Several Questions From A 17 Year Old Prospect
« Reply #62 on: July 18, 2008, 04:49:49 pm »


Any explanation on why schools in New Hampshire are so expensive?

Maybe because in NH the student is actually being required to pay for their OWN education...while the socialists in CA are robbing Peter to pay for Paul's education...

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  Is it less state spending?  Less federal spending?  Less taxes and inflation?

Please explain where this supposed "state" "gets" what you claim it is, or isn't spending...same with this supposed "federal"...

Less theft and robbery(taxes) would allow you more opportunity to be able to pay your own way...
Less theft and robbery inherent in the runaway printing of the USD(supposed "inflation") would also protect the value of the money you currently have in your pocket...

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But as of now it just sucks that my parents have paid into the system over here in California, both through taxes and inflation, and now, since I'm moving to NH, I get no benefit for the money that was taken from them and I actually have to spend more for college.

Much the same as the supposed "social security" scam/ponzi-scheme(you're familiar with those, right?) pretty much everything stolen by the supposed "state" is sent back out to the looters, bureaucrats, jackboots, and mercenaries...

In your reference that you will "get no benefit for the money that was taken from them"...yep, you're correct...the only way you'll "get" a "benefit" is to advocate aggression/force/fraud and the theft and robbery of others to "get" "your" "benefits"...

Sucks to be your parents...
Sucks to be you...
California...
Sucks...

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Re: Several Questions From A 17 Year Old Prospect
« Reply #63 on: July 18, 2008, 04:50:57 pm »

You pretty much answered your own question: the California tuition is ridiculously low because of high subsidies. I don't know how much MCC is subsidized, but if they charge $525 for three credit hours, there can't be much subsidy, if any.

Higher level schools in NH (Dartmouth, SNHU) are expensive because they're private, and provide excellent educations.
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Re: Several Questions From A 17 Year Old Prospect
« Reply #64 on: July 18, 2008, 05:20:31 pm »

Maybe because in NH the student is actually being required to pay for their OWN education...while the socialists in CA are robbing Peter to pay for Paul's education...
That's what I figured. :)

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Less theft and robbery(taxes) would allow you more opportunity to be able to pay your own way...
Less theft and robbery inherent in the runaway printing of the USD(supposed "inflation") would also protect the value of the money you currently have in your pocket...
So I know. :)  And the runaway printing of the USD is inflation, not just supposed inflation.

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In your reference that you will "get no benefit for the money that was taken from them"...yep, you're correct...the only way you'll "get" a "benefit" is to advocate aggression/force/fraud and the theft and robbery of others to "get" "your" "benefits"...
Nah, that's not the only way.  I could have kept my money to begin with.

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Sucks to be your parents...
Sucks to be you...
Not really. :)
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Re: Several Questions From A 17 Year Old Prospect
« Reply #65 on: July 18, 2008, 05:25:19 pm »

You pretty much answered your own question: the California tuition is ridiculously low because of high subsidies. I don't know how much MCC is subsidized, but if they charge $525 for three credit hours, there can't be much subsidy, if any.

Higher level schools in NH (Dartmouth, SNHU) are expensive because they're private, and provide excellent educations.
Yah, that is what I figured was the issue.  I'll have to see if I can manage to afford it over there, but my parents aren't too thrilled about the prices, haha.
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Re: Several Questions From A 17 Year Old Prospect
« Reply #66 on: July 18, 2008, 06:40:33 pm »

Less theft and robbery inherent in the runaway printing of the USD(supposed "inflation") would also protect the value of the money you currently have in your pocket...
So I know. :)  And the runaway printing of the USD is inflation, not just supposed inflation.

I'd like to correct and clarify something for you here...

"Inflation" does actually occur when the price of a good or service "inflates"...as in...goes up because of any and all factors OTHER THAN MONEY MANIPULATION...

We should teach ourselves to NEVER use "inflation" in place of "devaluation" "theft" "robbery" and "treason against individual sovereign human beings"...

What we are experiencing now, with the US Dollar, is the systematic "devaluation" of each and every circulating dollar by the runaway printing of more fiat paper...

Obviously, if the dollar in your pocket is being devalued every second(which it is) it "exchanges" for less...because it is "worth" "less" and so sellers continually ask more for their products and services when those prices are valued in the flailing and failing US Dollar...

Here is a simple example for you...when gold was $50USD per troy ounce you could buy a horse for two troy ounces...today you can still buy a horse for two troy ounces of gold...of course, with today's gold price at $950USD per troy ounce you can see that the "worth" of $100USD in 1908 now costs you $1900USD in 2008...

Gold has not "inflated"...the US Dollar's "value" / "purchasing power" has been stolen by the money-masters at the FED and the IMF...

I know that might seem hard to comprehend but it will sink in eventually...

and, of course that means you not only get screwed when you pay higher prices for goods and services than you did a couple of years ago...
but you also are getting screwed because the $15.00USD  per hour you were making then, and now...is now "worth" "less" so you have actually "received" a pay "cut"...

Go figure...

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Re: Several Questions From A 17 Year Old Prospect
« Reply #67 on: July 18, 2008, 08:09:59 pm »

You should understand economics before clarification.
The United States owns the dollar... its controlled by its representatives in Congress and their managers at the Fed.
Since no one is required to trade in or hold US dollar commodities... nothing is ever stolen. You've simply inherited market risk.



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Re: Several Questions From A 17 Year Old Prospect
« Reply #68 on: July 18, 2008, 08:16:39 pm »

Less theft and robbery inherent in the runaway printing of the USD(supposed "inflation") would also protect the value of the money you currently have in your pocket...
So I know. :)  And the runaway printing of the USD is inflation, not just supposed inflation.

I'd like to correct and clarify something for you here...

"Inflation" does actually occur when the price of a good or service "inflates"...as in...goes up because of any and all factors OTHER THAN MONEY MANIPULATION...
Understood.  But inflation, in another context, and according to another equally sound definition, is an increase in the money supply.  As long as we are clear on which inflation we are talking about then there is no reason both can not be used.  Though I prefer to say "price inflation" to specify that I am talking about prices specifically, rather than just the currency.  But to each his own.

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What we are experiencing now, with the US Dollar, is the systematic "devaluation" of each and every circulating dollar by the runaway printing of more fiat paper...
i.e. runaway inflation

We are just using different words to describe the same thing.  But inflation defined as an increase in the supply of money is a valid definition and there's no reason we can't use it.

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Obviously, if the dollar in your pocket is being devalued every second(which it is) it "exchanges" for less...because it is "worth" "less" and so sellers continually ask more for their products and services when those prices are valued in the flailing and failing US Dollar...

Here is a simple example for you...when gold was $50USD per troy ounce you could buy a horse for two troy ounces...today you can still buy a horse for two troy ounces of gold...of course, with today's gold price at $950USD per troy ounce you can see that the "worth" of $100USD in 1908 now costs you $1900USD in 2008...

Gold has not "inflated"...the US Dollar's "value" / "purchasing power" has been stolen by the money-masters at the FED and the IMF...

I know that might seem hard to comprehend but it will sink in eventually...
Dude, what are you talking about?  Has it not been made clear to you that I know what inflation is.  I know about purchasing power, I know how inflation causes rising prices.  I don't need lectures on fundamental issues like this, and your patronising tone at the end of the quoted section is just unwarranted. :)

If you sincerely think that I am ignorant of these very basic concepts and your intentions were only to help then I apologise for responding in such a manner; but, to me, it seems that your posts, at least the ones that have been directed at myself, are always very condescending in nature, and there is no reason for that to be.
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Re: Several Questions From A 17 Year Old Prospect
« Reply #69 on: July 19, 2008, 09:16:44 am »

You should understand economics before clarification.
The United States owns the dollar... its controlled by its representatives in Congress and their managers at the Fed.
Since no one is required to trade in or hold US dollar commodities... nothing is ever stolen. You've simply inherited market risk.

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Since no one is required to trade in or hold US dollar commodities... nothing is ever stolen. You've simply inherited market risk.

Others who have attempted to pay their "taxes" in some other "money/commodity" might sing a different tune...

The "value" in one 1908 USD is NOT the same "value" found in one 2008 USD(as evidenced by the exchange rate between USD and gold)...
Where did that "value" go...
It was stolen by the money-masters...

"Market risk" assumes that we don't have to "use" that "market"...
When you're forced at gunpoint to "use" that "market" that's robbery in my book...

Why do you defend the looters, bureaucrats, jackboots, and mercenaries...
Birds of a feather, flock together...

Go figure...
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Re: Several Questions From A 17 Year Old Prospect
« Reply #70 on: July 19, 2008, 09:37:06 am »

Less theft and robbery inherent in the runaway printing of the USD(supposed "inflation") would also protect the value of the money you currently have in your pocket...
So I know. :)  And the runaway printing of the USD is inflation, not just supposed inflation.

I'd like to correct and clarify something for you here...

"Inflation" does actually occur when the price of a good or service "inflates"...as in...goes up because of any and all factors OTHER THAN MONEY MANIPULATION...
Understood.  But inflation, in another context, and according to another equally sound definition, is an increase in the money supply.  As long as we are clear on which inflation we are talking about then there is no reason both can not be used.  Though I prefer to say "price inflation" to specify that I am talking about prices specifically, rather than just the currency.  But to each his own.

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What we are experiencing now, with the US Dollar, is the systematic "devaluation" of each and every circulating dollar by the runaway printing of more fiat paper...
i.e. runaway inflation

We are just using different words to describe the same thing.  But inflation defined as an increase in the supply of money is a valid definition and there's no reason we can't use it.

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Obviously, if the dollar in your pocket is being devalued every second(which it is) it "exchanges" for less...because it is "worth" "less" and so sellers continually ask more for their products and services when those prices are valued in the flailing and failing US Dollar...

Here is a simple example for you...when gold was $50USD per troy ounce you could buy a horse for two troy ounces...today you can still buy a horse for two troy ounces of gold...of course, with today's gold price at $950USD per troy ounce you can see that the "worth" of $100USD in 1908 now costs you $1900USD in 2008...

Gold has not "inflated"...the US Dollar's "value" / "purchasing power" has been stolen by the money-masters at the FED and the IMF...

I know that might seem hard to comprehend but it will sink in eventually...
Dude, what are you talking about?  Has it not been made clear to you that I know what inflation is.  I know about purchasing power, I know how inflation causes rising prices.  I don't need lectures on fundamental issues like this, and your patronising tone at the end of the quoted section is just unwarranted. :)

If you sincerely think that I am ignorant of these very basic concepts and your intentions were only to help then I apologise for responding in such a manner; but, to me, it seems that your posts, at least the ones that have been directed at myself, are always very condescending in nature, and there is no reason for that to be.

Whew, the temperature here in the Caymans has sure inflated lately...
It's inflated from 87 degrees to 93 degrees in just the last hour alone...

The Jamaican next to me here at the pool just said...

"Hey mon, don't you be meanin' the tempurature has increased...not inflated"

and I replied...

"Ya mon, not only that, mon...but the price of my Mai Tais just inflated while I was increasing my increasable raft..."

And...
As Jeff Foxworthy says...
http://www.fox.com/areyousmarter/

Don't take it personally...
Unless you haven't won that million...

Go figure...
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Re: Several Questions From A 17 Year Old Prospect
« Reply #71 on: July 19, 2008, 10:09:41 am »

So I know. :)  And the runaway printing of the USD is inflation, not just supposed inflation.

Runaway printing of notes causes inflation. But it is not inflation by itself.

Printing money increases the money supply. Inflation is the increase in prices over time. The former causes the latter. But other things can cause it too.

Just attempting to clarify.
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Re: Several Questions From A 17 Year Old Prospect
« Reply #72 on: July 19, 2008, 10:33:33 am »

Trade is a voluntary function... taxation (unless your Harry Reid) is not.

You are never 'forced' to use the market to trade.
 
If the US dollar devalues than all other commodities inflate in proportion... thus the difference between these items valuation is not specific to the dollar valuation.
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Re: Several Questions From A 17 Year Old Prospect
« Reply #73 on: July 19, 2008, 03:09:38 pm »

Yes, I know.  Inflation means rising prices.

BUT...

it also means, according to the Austrian school definition, which many Austrian economists still use, an increase in the money supply.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation

Check out the section that says "Related Definitions"
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Re: Several Questions From A 17 Year Old Prospect
« Reply #74 on: July 20, 2008, 07:26:37 pm »

... it seems that your posts, at least the ones that have been directed at myself, are always very condescending in nature, and there is no reason for that to be.

Sure there's a reason: he only knows two modes of communication. One is condescension, the other is threats of violence.
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