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MaineShark

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Re: Working out of state while living in NH
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2008, 08:20:44 am »

If I trusted the NH government a tiny bit, and this were true, I'd suggest NH putting in place a 1 cent a year personal income tax to avoid paying MA taxes... of course that would just cause more commies and statists to move from MA to NH...

That's not how it works.  If NH had a 1-cent-per-year income tax, then you could deduct 1 cent from what you owed in Mass taxes.  You'd still have to pay the remainder to Mass.  They basically just make whatever you paid in income taxes to your home state into a deduction.

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Re: Working out of state while living in NH
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2008, 06:52:12 pm »

The way to do that is to establish a voluntary--or unenforced--state income tax.  If Mass, VT, NY, or some other state government is coming to you with their state income tax, you just go down to Concord and they "give you a bill" for the same amount.  In effect, you would be able to pay the same bill to NH instead of sending the money off to some other state government, and that payment would still be 100% tax deductible on federal taxes.

Since it's unenforced, anyone not paying would just not pay.  The state would never have the power to come after you. (That's the part that we really fight against as libertarians--the compulsory force component.) Of course, anyone wanting to pay it voluntarily would be free to do so.

Also, in the interests of keeping things voluntary, people wanting to have access to all of those services (community centers, counseling, shelters, assistance, etc.) could pay that "state income tax" and receive an annual "NH Services Card" giving you all sorts of handy services, discounts, free EZ Pass, tuition discounts, free bus use, etc.  Those with low incomes would therefore receive those services and benefits at a much lower cost, and those willing to contribute voluntarily would be doing so out of the kindness of their own hearts, without being a drag on anyone.
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Re: Working out of state while living in NH
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2008, 08:49:45 pm »

A voluntary payment to the State is known as a 'gift'...
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Re: Working out of state while living in NH
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2008, 09:16:27 pm »

Non-residents may not claim a credit or deduction for taxes paid to another state on income earned in MA.

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Re: Working out of state while living in NH
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2008, 12:41:46 am »

I wonder if there is a chance in hell for Mass's income tax to be eliminated. I was very active when this was first brought to ballot back in 02' I believe it was. A lot of folk voted for it back then, I just can't imagine the Massa-socialists ever wanting to give up their legalized theft.
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Re: Working out of state while living in NH
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2008, 10:32:42 am »

I had recently moved out of MA for the last end-the-income-tax vote, and so was still supporting and watching it closely.

My personal impression was this.   There was something (and article, or maybe a full-page ad?) in the major newspapers just before the vote.   It said something like "OK, maybe we need lower taxes.   But eliminating the income tax is too drastic.   We should propose an alternative initiative to lower the income tax - maybe even cut it in half.   But this particular initiative is just too much." 

I think an argument like that appeals to a lot of people.   They want less tax, but aren't entirely sure they are right.  They read about how it will hurt the schools, eliminate police and fire, and all sorts of bad, bad things.  And so when they see a possibility of "compromise" they jump at it.

I think that one last push by the "Don't end the income tax" lobby (i.e. Teachers' Union) was enough to put it over the edge.  I have no statistics to back it up, but the vote was so close.... who knows.

Of course, there was no alternative on offer.   It was a trick.   The income tax is just as high as its always been.

I think its still going to be close.  Both sides are ready for a much bigger battle this time, so its hard to say whom that's going to help.   I'd say the advantage goes to the better funded side (i.e. Teachers' Union), but I don't think the people of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts are totally beyond voting for this thing. 

I'll give it one chance in hell.
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Re: Working out of state while living in NH
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2008, 08:09:53 pm »

Hey, it would be great if it were eliminated, especially since I work in Mass. I just have a hard time believing it could happen.
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