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« on: February 27, 2008, 03:06:23 pm »

Does this movement support total drug legalization?
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Re: drug legalization
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2008, 05:48:45 pm »

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Re: drug legalization
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2008, 06:18:44 pm »

I do.   8)
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Re: drug legalization
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2008, 06:23:55 pm »

Ditto!
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Re: drug legalization
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2008, 02:31:42 am »

Does this movement support total drug legalization?

Decriminalization. Legalization makes believe that it has always been a crime to self-medicate. The truth is that only relatively recently have people somehow rationalized that it was moral to kidnap a human being and lock them in a cage for having the audacity to grow a plant in their own backyard.
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Re: drug legalization
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2008, 02:39:42 am »

This part of the " movement is a bus, a clean bright bus, that does not confirm
nor deny any thing, except getting Liberty lovers to NH.

I  myself do  wish you the best no matter what you drink ,smoke or injest
in any manner as long as you don't annoy me. :)
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Re: drug legalization
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2008, 09:49:07 am »

Does this movement support total drug legalization?

Decriminalization. Legalization makes believe that it has always been a crime to self-medicate.

Re-legalize it!   :)
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Re: drug legalization
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2008, 11:28:36 am »

This part of the " movement is a bus, a clean bright bus, that does not confirm
nor deny any thing, except getting Liberty lovers to NH.

I  myself do  wish you the best no matter what you drink ,smoke or injest
in any manner as long as you don't annoy me. :)

The difference is that morally, I actually have a right to self-medicate. You don't actually have a right not to be annoyed. Not that I plan to in any way nor would I blame you if you no longer wished me the best if I did.
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Re: drug legalization
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2008, 02:18:32 pm »

Does this movement support total drug legalization?

Decriminalization. Legalization makes believe that it has always been a crime to self-medicate. The truth is that only relatively recently have people somehow rationalized that it was moral to kidnap a human being and lock them in a cage for having the audacity to grow a plant in their own backyard.

It does? Legalization simply means that we’re making something legal that is currently illegal, regardless of historical status. Since practically everything has been legal at some point in time, your definition of legalization makes the word literally useless: nothing can ever be legalized.

And decriminalization actually doesn’t go far enough—what this term means is to downgrade the act from a crime (felony or misdemeanor) to a violation (akin to a traffic ticket). Decriminalization is often the first step to legalization, though.
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Re: drug legalization
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2008, 11:13:03 am »

Does this movement support total drug legalization?

On the one hand, it's just a bus which leaves room for a lot of variety. On the other hand, the mission statement strongly implies that complete legalization is a common view. Based on the mission statement, government is limited to the role of protecting life, liberty and property, at most. So it leaves room for people to prefer less government than that but not more. That's not to say that people won't sign the pledge dishonestly but the pledge reaches out to people with a deep respect for personal liberties.

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Re: drug legalization
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2008, 08:24:27 am »


Decriminalization is often the first step to legalization, though.


Examples, please?
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Re: drug legalization
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2008, 01:32:21 pm »


Decriminalization is often the first step to legalization, though.


Examples, please?

Many of the States that decriminalized years ago (e.g., California, Oregon) are the ones now allowing medical marijuana, which is full legalization for certain purposes.
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Re: drug legalization
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2008, 07:43:34 pm »


Decriminalization is often the first step to legalization, though.


Examples, please?

Many of the States that decriminalized years ago (e.g., California, Oregon) are the ones now allowing medical marijuana, which is full legalization for certain purposes.

Making something available by prescription is not legalizing it.  Morphine has always been available by prescription, as in fact was alcohol during the previous prohibition.

And while the Feds allow medical morphine, they still raid medical marijuana users and the local cops just stand aside and let them do it instead of shooting them down like the rabid dogs they are.
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Re: drug legalization
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2008, 08:34:13 pm »

Decriminalization is often the first step to legalization, though.

Examples, please?

Many of the States that decriminalized years ago (e.g., California, Oregon) are the ones now allowing medical marijuana, which is full legalization for certain purposes.

Making something available by prescription is not legalizing it.  Morphine has always been available by prescription, as in fact was alcohol during the previous prohibition.

But these are all steps in the right direction.
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Re: drug legalization
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2008, 12:56:24 am »

Does this movement support total drug legalization?

Decriminalization. Legalization makes believe that it has always been a crime to self-medicate. The truth is that only relatively recently have people somehow rationalized that it was moral to kidnap a human being and lock them in a cage for having the audacity to grow a plant in their own backyard.

It does? Legalization simply means that we’re making something legal that is currently illegal, regardless of historical status. Since practically everything has been legal at some point in time, your definition of legalization makes the word literally useless: nothing can ever be legalized.

And decriminalization actually doesn’t go far enough—what this term means is to downgrade the act from a crime (felony or misdemeanor) to a violation (akin to a traffic ticket). Decriminalization is often the first step to legalization, though.

I don't want to disagree too strenuously about an issue that we appear to be on the same side about. However, in the war of euphemisms I think legalization gives entirely too much power to the state. I wouldn't want a law on the books which specifically says that I can buy, use or distribute x because that changes a right into a privilege.  If there is a law that I can, then apparently I needed their permission and they have just as much right to make the action a crime.

I don't believe that is the case. All rights not specifically granted to the feds are reserved to the state and all rights not specifically granted to the state are reserved to the people. I don't want or need permission. What I want is for there to be no legal penalties for doing some thing that I have a perfect right to do.

Yes, I have a right to smoke crack. I have a right to do absolutely anything that doesn't infringe upon anyone else's right to life, liberty or property. I have a right to open a casino in my house. Any victimless crime legislation is a violation of rights and makes the government the aggressor.

Nothing should ever need to be "legalized". Just de-fund the slave traders.
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