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blazepascal

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confused in buffalo
« on: March 08, 2003, 08:30:01 pm »

I'm a little confused - or perhaps more accurately, a bit ignorant.  Let's start with this revelation:  I've always considered myself a conservative.  I became interested in FSP after hearing Walter Williams mention it on the Rush Limbaugh show some time back.

After reading the basics on the homepage, I signed up.  Things being what they are, I got rather busy and several weeks, if not months have passed since I first visted.  Imagine my surprise today when I read that many of the members consider themselves liberals.  To me, this has become a dirty word because of its association with the DNC... follow that with the realization that I had no idea what  Libertarian political ideology was and confusion manifested most profoundly.  

I believe in personal liberty, and that the constitution that frees the people will ultimately shackle the government.  As a result I left the Demoncrats (after 8 years of watching my net pay get smaller) and joined with the Republicans (the lesser of two evils).

Is anyone willing to give me a link or a paragraph to help ease my addled mind?
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Re:confused in buffalo
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2003, 08:47:52 pm »

My impression, based on posts here, is that the FSP is a mix of:
conservatives
libertarians & Libertarians
Constitutionalists
"classic" (free-market oriented) liberals
minarchists
anarcho-capitalists
and a few Georgists & anarchists thrown in for good measure.
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Re:confused in buffalo
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2003, 12:13:44 am »

I do not know when someone called themself liberal on this forum.  However, I do know there is more than one meaning of the world.  I am liberal in the sense that I think liberty is a good thing.  Many people here might say liberal or classical liberal and be talking about liberty lovers.  Whereas, to the masses, liberal might mean Democrat or anti-freedom.

Personally, according the the Worldest Smallest Political quiz I am a libertarian or conservative-leaning libertarian.  One thing is for sure, you have nothing to worry about.  There are very few liberal Democrats in the FSP.

You will notice that statist is a often repeated word on this forum.  It means someone that looks to the state or government for the answer to a problem.  Most libertarians tend to look to the people or free market to solve a problem.  You might look at liberals as we look at statists.  However, in our eyes many people that call themself conservative are just as statist as liberals.  This is because these conservatives turn to the government (to outlaw the activity) when someone does something they do not like.  So, in your eyes, or at least mine, most conservatives and liberals are statists.  This is the opposite of most people in this forum, which are libertarians.

I hope I helped you.
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Re:confused in buffalo
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2003, 09:10:59 pm »

Here is the way I think about it...

You have two levels:

1.) Individualists (FSPers)
2.) Collectivists (Statists)

Both of these levels have a "right" and a "left" wing.

For the collectivists in America we have:

1.) Right-wing: Republicans (a.k.a. cultural conservatives, "fascists")
2.) Left-wing: Democrats (a.k.a. liberals, "socialists")

For the individualists in America we have:

1.) Right-wing: Constitution Party, Libertarians
2.) Left-wing: Geolibertarians, Anarchists

So, the FSP has a left-wing and a right-wing! However, "liberal" FSPers are for voluntary action that helps people via churches, communes, and such. I might be a "liberal", but I have no desire to take your guns or force you into any of my crazy schemes!  ;)
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Re:confused in buffalo
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2003, 09:46:36 pm »

Well thanks, thatactually does help me.  Upon closer examination, I noticed that the term floating around was "classic" liberal.  Sorry, fell victim to the turd-in-a-punchbowl  effect when I saw the word "liberal".   ;)
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Re:confused in buffalo
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2003, 04:44:48 pm »

Hey blaze,

Just curious, what the hell does your signature say?  :D

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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2003, 07:20:04 pm »

I love it, very cool.  Like one of those puzzle pictures you have to keep looking at.
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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2003, 08:36:14 am »

Its justan ASCII alternate version of "Blazepascal".  I used the character map to find the "alt+" keys and chose letters and symbols that were similar to my name.

I was in an automobile accident back in January and was homebound for a month, so I got very bored and had a lot of spare time  ;)
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