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Re: Lauren Canario snatched by Milford PD
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2007, 02:00:49 am »

I guess I'm not a Free Stater, because I believe I should have to register my car and apply for a driver's license if I want to drive on a public road.

Do you believe you should have to register yourself and have a license to walk down the public sidewalk?
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Re: Lauren Canario snatched by Milford PD
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2007, 05:37:55 am »

Now I understand why we register people at birth. Because they'll be breathing public air.  ::)
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Re: Lauren Canario snatched by Milford PD
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2007, 07:48:45 am »

We give people birth certificates, so we don't get into the paradoxes being discussed in the Religion section on abortion/conception.

We register cars as this is one of the ways we pay for public roads... people driving cars that are not registered are 'stealing' from the rest of us.
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Re: Lauren Canario snatched by Milford PD
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2007, 09:34:08 am »

John, do you know what it means to "register" something?

One of the meanings comes from back in ye olde' days if you wanted to ship something by boat you would register it with the captain. To register it would mean you have entered into contract with the captain where in you disclaim all ownership of that which is being transported and transfer ownership to the captain where apon arriving at the other end, he would transfer ownership to the receiver. If something should happen while in transit, it was the captain who was required to pay the declared value of the item to the receiver. In registering your cargo with the captain you've sold it to them. He owns it, he can do anything he wants with it. You can't say word one about how he goes about getting it to your receiver, except he has to follow the contract obviously.

Even to this day we continue to do it with truly expensive items.

You have been ripped off. When you register your car, or your house, or your child, you are doing the same thing that was done when transporting cargo, the only difference is, that there is no receiving party. Your car, your house, and your child, no longer belong to you, they belong to the party to which you submitted(to submit to another's will, to be a slave to) your application(to plead, to beg, to ask for permission) for registration(to transfer ownership from one person to another).

The only thing you own is a piece of paper saying you are the 'owner' of record. Thats it. You did this freely and of your own will. You have been tricked. From that day on, your car, your house, and your child are property of the party to which you registered it to. Do you want to give up your rights to your property?

What happens if you don't register your car, your house, or your child? They take them from you. How can they do that? They own the underlying property, not you. You are just the care taker of it. Why do they do it? You submitted to their will and begged them for permission and they agreed, in exchange you agreed to their terms, the rules(Statutes) that apply to cars, the rules(Statues) that apply to houses, the rules(Statutes) that apply to children. They say jump, you are required by rules to ask how high.

You say its to pay for public roads. Isn't that was gas taxes are for, to pay for roads? Do you have any idea how much is collected on gas taxes and how much is spent on roads? I think you will find a parity with that which is collected and that which is spent, minus of course the funds given to the State by the Federal government.
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Re: Lauren Canario snatched by Milford PD
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2007, 10:23:35 am »

Title of an auto is used for ownership. Registration is used to identify a vehicle has paid their share to the roads upon which passage is occuring. If you owned a private road and requested each time I crossed over it I pay a fee... we call this a toll. If the fee was annualized but required the submission of information about the vehicle... this is what we refer to as registration. If you own a private road and I pass over it, ignoring your fee... this is what she did. And got caught. I would assume refusing to pay your fee... you would call 'stealing'.
She should be happy they will prosecute for non-registration, rather than theft of service. One is a fine, the other a felony.
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Re: Lauren Canario snatched by Milford PD
« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2007, 11:10:30 am »

We give people birth certificates, so we don't get into the paradoxes being discussed in the Religion section on abortion/conception.

We register cars as this is one of the ways we pay for public roads... people driving cars that are not registered are 'stealing' from the rest of us.

How much of Registration pays the DMV salaries and costs?  Fuel and property taxes pay for roads, don't they?
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Re: Lauren Canario snatched by Milford PD
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2007, 12:22:53 pm »

Part of registration monies go to the State and with the largest part staying in the local municipality. Gas taxes are used for State highways, with a small portion delegated to local roads. Tolls are only to be used for the turnpike system.

Employees are part of the cost structure of the system...
That being said, savings are always welcome.
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Re: Lauren Canario snatched by Milford PD
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2007, 12:50:57 pm »

Employees are part of the cost structure of the system...

How much? People think the tolls pay for the roads, but about half goes to pay for the toll-collecting infrastructure, including salaries.
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Re: Lauren Canario snatched by Milford PD
« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2007, 01:18:26 pm »

We register cars as this is one of the ways we pay for public roads... people driving cars that are not registered are 'stealing' from the rest of us.

So, where does the money come from to pay for the public sidewalks?  Are the sidewalks considered part of the 'road' and does the money to build/maintain them come from auto registration fees?  If so, would a pedestrian be 'stealing' from the people who have registered autos?

What if someone rides a bicycle down a public street?  I've never heard of bicyclists being required to pay registration fees, yet they use the public roadways.
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Re: Lauren Canario snatched by Milford PD
« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2007, 02:04:40 pm »

Public sidewalks come from fees to developers. They only exist in certain areas or zones. When I was a child your bicycle had to be registered to be on public property. We even received a registration sticker that was placed around the seat post. Its still legal for municipalities to have this requirement.
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Re: Lauren Canario snatched by Milford PD
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2007, 03:20:46 pm »

We give people birth certificates, so we don't get into the paradoxes being discussed in the Religion section on abortion/conception.

We register cars as this is one of the ways we pay for public roads... people driving cars that are not registered are 'stealing' from the rest of us.

By 'we' do you mean the collectivist society? Every tax is one of the ways 'we' pay for something. In the end it doesn't change the fact that armed men kidnapped a human being, locked her in a cage and are holding her for ransom. That they happen to be wearing shiny badges in no way changes the nature of the crime. The bottom line? Pay us and we'll leave you alone, don't pay us and we'll fuck up your life. This is called extortion. It's always and only about control. If they have a right to your money and property then you are a slave. Stop asking the government to initiate force against others on your behalf.

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Re: Lauren Canario snatched by Milford PD
« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2007, 07:43:24 pm »

We give people birth certificates, so we don't get into the paradoxes being discussed in the Religion section on abortion/conception.

We register cars as this is one of the ways we pay for public roads... people driving cars that are not registered are 'stealing' from the rest of us.

By 'we' do you mean the collectivist society? Every tax is one of the ways 'we' pay for something. In the end it doesn't change the fact that armed men kidnapped a human being, locked her in a cage and are holding her for ransom. That they happen to be wearing shiny badges in no way changes the nature of the crime. The bottom line? Pay us and we'll leave you alone, don't pay us and we'll fuck up your life. This is called extortion. It's always and only about control. If they have a right to your money and property then you are a slave. Stop asking the government to initiate force against others on your behalf.

http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf

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Sorry, I just get impatient with debatertarian macho flashes; it's just so... 1994 alt.politics.libertarian, y'know?
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Re: Lauren Canario snatched by Milford PD
« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2007, 08:18:28 pm »

Actually their wrong on several accounts... this isn't a tax... its a user fee.
Taxes in NH are not required to be spent to benefit the payers of such tax... user fees must do so.
She could choose to pay the fee, or not use the service (roads).
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Re: Lauren Canario snatched by Milford PD
« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2007, 09:39:56 pm »

We give people birth certificates, so we don't get into the paradoxes being discussed in the Religion section on abortion/conception.

We register cars as this is one of the ways we pay for public roads... people driving cars that are not registered are 'stealing' from the rest of us.

By 'we' do you mean the collectivist society? Every tax is one of the ways 'we' pay for something. In the end it doesn't change the fact that armed men kidnapped a human being, locked her in a cage and are holding her for ransom. That they happen to be wearing shiny badges in no way changes the nature of the crime. The bottom line? Pay us and we'll leave you alone, don't pay us and we'll fuck up your life. This is called extortion. It's always and only about control. If they have a right to your money and property then you are a slave. Stop asking the government to initiate force against others on your behalf.

http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf

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Sorry, I just get impatient with debatertarian macho flashes; it's just so... 1994 alt.politics.libertarian, y'know?

What goes good with peanut butter?

Sour cream.

Good answer! Good answer!

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Re: Lauren Canario snatched by Milford PD
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2007, 10:00:50 pm »

Actually their wrong on several accounts... this isn't a tax... its a user fee.
Taxes in NH are not required to be spent to benefit the payers of such tax... user fees must do so.
She could choose to pay the fee, or not use the service (roads).


Sorry pal, not only has the supreme court ruled that a licensing fee is a tax but the DMVs own web site classifies the registration fee as a property tax. You can find it under VEHICLE TAX information. If you were right then those who use the roads the most would pay higher useage taxes, but it just ain't so. Someone who drives their car once a year pays the same as a cabbie. The tax is based on the value of the property which is why it's higher for newer cars.

Further, the DMV will fine you for failing to register your vehicle or allowing your registration to expire whether or not you have been driving it on public roads.
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