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Your thoughts on handguns, choose the best answer

Guns are good, I have one(or more), I carry one(or more)
Guns are good, I have one(or more), but why carry one?
Guns are fine, I have (or will have)one(or more)
Guns are fine, but I wouldnt own one.
I dont care eighter way.
I dont like them, but I wont force others to not have them
I dont like them, and Ill take a political stance
There should be no question, Nobody should own a gun unless its for hunting.
Nobody should own a gun, they are just too dangerous.

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Re: Your gun standpoint!
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2007, 12:41:33 am »

Wheres the Guns are amazing but I dont own one yet answer?

It was 6 in the morning with no sleep again at that time.

Its all about putting quotes in the right spot. Watch this.

Wheres the "Guns are amazing but I dont own one yet", answer?

Grammer is cool no? :)

You know what's crazy?  I couldn't make it out at all when I looked at it before...but I logged on just now and looked at it and it made perfect sense (this is before I read your post too).  Anywayz, thanks for the clarification.
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Re: Your gun standpoint!
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2007, 01:05:02 am »

Wheres the Guns are amazing but I dont own one yet answer?
 
I was actually debating that, but in the end... I was going to do it but forgot... Sorry...

In general I respect the wishes of others while on their property. If you dont like firearms, thats fine, but unless your the only shoe store dont expect me to pay you a visit. The reason I asked is I dont want to not be able to goto a restraunt, or a movie theater because of these kinds of issues. I'm not comfortable not carrying, I dont want to start the pro/anti debate and I keep being very ploarized in my responces so, I'm goiong to just have to keep things short...

I didnt realise that this was not the majority of the members, however i did know it wouldnt be the majority of the state, and I'm fine with that too...Minus a tweek here and there the laws in New Hampshire are fine... Its not like sombodys just going to all of a sudden go, lets do it like NY does it. I just, I'm cautious when it comes to being able to carry, I'm just that much more secure and comfortable knowing I stand a better chance then if I was unarmed, while I avoid bad areas like the plague and bad situations... I'ld prefer that its only fired at the range.
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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2007, 03:20:51 am »

Also about posting, If I'm somewhere and a sign says no guns, in Florida (while Ive actually never seen a sign except at gun stores) it has no legal weight. They can ask me to leave(with or without reason) but I'm not excluded for carrying regardless of the persons views. How is this like up there?

I would like to address this.  Don't let the issue rest on whether or not it has legal weight, but rather whether it has moral and ethical weight.  If you come to my house, and I have a sign that says "No Smoking", the request itself has no legal weight, but it would be immoral and unethical for you to violate my wishes on my private property and smoke anyways.  Likewise, if a private business owner posts a sign that says "No Guns" you should feel a moral and ethical obligation to respect his rights to set the rules on his private property.  Personally, I would hold no ill-will toward such a person, but I would not patronize his business.  My money would go to someone who had greater respect for the need for self-defense in society.


I have to disagree to an extent.  If you can easily avoid these businesses, then I would.  However, it may be highly inconvenient to do so (such as driving to the next town to get a hair cut).

There is some difference between inviting me to your house and inviting the general public into your business.  Your home is not open to the public.  If you asked me to leave my gun in the car, I would probably feel safe in the knowledge that only people you know/trust are in your home.  A business that is open to the public has much more potential to create a situation that requires self-defense.

I also would draw a distinction between smoking and carrying a gun.  I'm asthmatic, and second-hand smoke makes it very hard for me to breath.  Therefore, I would have a legitimate reason to request you not smoke in my house/business.  I fail to see a way that carrying a gun interferes with the property owner's rights.

Further, if the business owner wants to enforce their request, they can simply ask you to leave.  As long as you are willing to politely and respectfully comply with this request, I think it's OK.  If they value that policy more than your patronage, then find another place to shop.

What I plan to do: get a CCW and then they won't be bothered with the knowledge that you're not complying with their request.
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Re: Your gun standpoint!
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2007, 03:38:47 am »

Thats a glock in your icon isnt it :) I happen to have (and damn near always carry) a Glock 26:)

Yes it is a Glock (not mine, just a nice avatar I found on the web).  I own a Glock 23 that I used to carry as a private patrolman (security guard).

Here in CA guards are the only "civilians" allowed to carry in public, and even then it's extremely limited (on the way directly to & from the job site only).  I stopped carrying because it got too expensive to requalify 4 times per year.  This includes processing fees (read taxes) and paying to have a certified instructor sign off that you know how to aim the gun, and my employer didn't want to pay for it.

Once I get to NH, I plan to get a CCW.  I looked into getting one here, but they're very stingy with them.  I know 2 people that carry.  One is good friends with the sheriff; the other was beaten nearly to death 2 times before his CCW was issued.
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Re: Your gun standpoint!
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2007, 09:05:19 am »

I live in AZ and have a ccw. We have reciprocity with about 2 dozen states. Even so, I open carry almost all the time instead. It's more of a political statement and more of a deterrent than concealed would be. Of course I get funny looks at the bank sometimes but it's amazing how many people just assume I'm a cop.
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Re: Your gun standpoint!
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2007, 12:41:26 pm »

I was at an event last night (nhliberty.org)  and saw over 5 people 'open carrying'.  Who knows how many were carrying concealed.
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Re: Your gun standpoint!
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2007, 04:13:56 pm »

I live in AZ and have a ccw. We have reciprocity with about 2 dozen states. Even so, I open carry almost all the time instead. It's more of a political statement and more of a deterrent than concealed would be. Of course I get funny looks at the bank sometimes but it's amazing how many people just assume I'm a cop.

I'm right there with you.  I OC as much for the political statement as anything.  People do seem to assume I'm a cop too (even though I'm carrying a revolver). 

I'm having to learn to act a little different in some situations though...for instance, I never give my ID unless I absolutely have to. It's a habit I've made in order to push back just a little bit.  Well, I was returning something a few days ago and I saw the person taking my return look down at my gun nervously a few times.  Then she asked for my ID and I told her I don't give out my ID.  Then she got REALLY nervous.  My wife ended up giving her ID to calm the situation.  I think I'll handle it differently next time.
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Re: Your gun standpoint!
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2007, 11:16:23 pm »

Wheres the Guns are amazing but I dont own one yet answer?

It was 6 in the morning with no sleep again at that time.

Its all about putting quotes in the right spot. Watch this.

Wheres the "Guns are amazing but I dont own one yet", answer?

Grammer is cool no? :)

"Grammar" is fine but spelling is overrated.

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by itslef but the wrod as a wlohe.
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Re: Your gun standpoint!
« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2007, 01:15:59 am »

I live in AZ and have a ccw...Even so, I open carry almost all the time instead. It's more of a political statement and more of a deterrent than concealed would be.

I hadn't thought of that.  Again, I haven't seen more than 3 or 4 "civilians" carry here in CA (and they were all security guards).  Here the cops aren't even allowed to OC unless they're wearing a badge in plain view.  They're easy to spot off duty because they're the only fit young guys that wear fanny packs (and they all have the same one it seems).

Another advantage I can think of to OC is that your gun is a little more accessible.  Even if you weapon is only "concealed" by a jacket, that's gonna slow you down a little in a situation where seconds count.

I wonder if many people carry both openly and concealed at the same time...
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Re: Your gun standpoint!
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2007, 05:47:06 am »

I live in AZ and have a ccw...Even so, I open carry almost all the time instead. It's more of a political statement and more of a deterrent than concealed would be.

I hadn't thought of that.  Again, I haven't seen more than 3 or 4 "civilians" carry here in CA (and they were all security guards).  Here the cops aren't even allowed to OC unless they're wearing a badge in plain view.  They're easy to spot off duty because they're the only fit young guys that wear fanny packs (and they all have the same one it seems).

Another advantage I can think of to OC is that your gun is a little more accessible.  Even if you weapon is only "concealed" by a jacket, that's gonna slow you down a little in a situation where seconds count.

I wonder if many people carry both openly and concealed at the same time...

Yes, many who open carry also carry concealed back-up(s)...

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« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2007, 02:29:27 pm »

If there was a 'guns are great but getting one here automatically makes you a suspect and requires you to jump through more hoops than a white tiger' option I'd vote for it.

Carrying one without having it locked up in a socialist approved box will probably get one jailed for years. Owning one without being a member of a sport shooting club is impossible (unless you're a criminal in which case it's obviously easy).

Funny thing is, things like silencers are unregulated. All you need is to prove you own the gun to go with it. ???
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Re: Your gun standpoint!
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2007, 11:13:34 pm »


What could we do to get more people to use the forum?
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« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2007, 11:53:58 am »

We could start running advertising for the forum itself, and buy a easy-shortcut page like freethink.org or something like that, or freestatethink.org or I dont know. But if we brought people to this board and said "okay, argue with us" Im certain we could get more people to join that way rather than sending them to that main page.

This forum is alot more alive than a cold main page that says "give up your life where you are and come here".

On this forum we show you why.

Besides I would love for some hippies/christian-fundamentalists/imperialists to come here and start telling us that there should be laws. OH I would love a good debate!
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« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2007, 01:04:32 pm »


What could we do to get more people to use the forum?
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« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2007, 12:18:52 pm »

NH Gun laws are the reason Im moving to NH,. !
 I live in the commie state of NY-and beleave me it suckkkks! 
Our county judge wont issue ccw permits -Just limited to Hunting and target shooting-  Its so bad we cant get anyone to run against him --!
 Bless you free people -We will visit in the fall!
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