Yeah seriously, heaven forbid a project actually work. Oh wait already happend. Thank God.
I suppose you don't like the idea of contracting either, Elizabeth. Perhaps you would have spent the money on a massive mailing that would have bagged 10 or 20 new signers for the FSP. Sorry, but this was a wiser investment.
I think she made it clear that she doesn't like the idea that her private number might be given to any non-fsp group.
I guess you're ok with the habits of certain companies that use prisoners to make telemarketing calls too.  After all, it's only contracting.
Does it really matter if a person calls or an automated message? I mean, Mark gave his number. If you want a real person just dial the number he gave. I can't see a libertarian case against so called spam. You give an organization you're phone number to an organization and they call you in regards to a new aspect of the program. It doesn't even seem improper, let alone a violation of the ZAP.
Regardless of whether it's a violation of some law doesn't make it acceptable to people.  A live person calling me is far less objectionable than a robot caller for at least the minimal issue of not being able to hang up on a robot caller.  Pick up the phone and it's STILL TALKING.
I highly object to people putting junk mail on my car as well.  There might not be a law against it but I still find it disgusting.
Why is it objectionable over a live person that calls or over snail mail or email?  Because it's designed to be INTRUSIVE.
Hey, wake up.  You're gonna hear my message on your phone whether you want to or not. It's gonna take 30 seconds of your time but you have to hear it whether you want to or not.
Junk mail I don't need to read. I can just pitch it.  Junk email I can discard without opening.  Email from a group I have interest in can be discarded or scanned through as I wish.
Having a live person call me directly shows a minimal amount of respect for my time.  My time is at least as valuable as his.  Having a robot call me shows that my time isn't considered worth even that much, and who cares if the robot calls repeatedly or screws up the message, because MY time isn't worth crap!
If you don't like it, too bad. It's done, and it got real results.
Nice attitude.  Basically screw you because we got what we wanted, regardless of the means.  Any means necessary after all.
Oh no, we must never call FSP members or send them a message. That might actually work.
A live person call, an email message, or even snail mail is far different than robot calls, especially repeated b0rked robot calls.
Can anyone explain to me how a voice message is different from a regular mailing> No you can't cause there isn't a fundemental difference. If you get a letter you toss it if you don't want it, and with a voice message you just delete it if you don't want to listen.
I just did above.   There's a huge difference.  Sending me 3 duplicate junk mails is something to laugh about.  Sending me 3 duplicate voice mails is highly annoying.  I suggest you try working in an office where a colleague repeatedly sends you duplicate voice mails and you might understand.  Basically one has to sit there listening to the message over an over.
Maybe some folks here think we should be jackasses and never contact any FSP signers in anyway. If a mailing is OK, then voice mailing is OK. It's the same damn thing, just a different media. If this was SPAM, then the unsolicited mailing that came to my house was SPAM. You don't hear me complaining do you? I'm not even an FSP member, but when I gave the FSP my contact info, it did dawn on me that they might use that info to contact me. Who would have thunk it?
Contact?  Contacts are fine.  Robot calls are annoying.  A mailing, again, is far different than a voice mailing.
I'm starting to think you are deliberately choosing to ignore the difference.  By any chance, do you work professionally in a field that sends out mass voice mails?
Asfor you Elizabeth, I think you're pissed that the project didn't take off like you wanted. Well, no kidding. I'm sorry that didn't happen too. We've suceeded in a new approach. I am sorry that you don't want to be a part of it.
No true liberty loving porc ought to be offended when the FSP contacts him, whether it is a mailing, an e-mail, a personal phone call, or an automated one.
Uh, if a true libertarian smacked you in the head with a shovel, he shouldn't be offended either I guess?  (an extreme example maybe, but made to show the ridiculousness of your statement.)
Elizabeth stressed repeatedly why she was pissed.  It was about the robot calls.   Did you not read her posts?
The FSP is staffed by volunteers, did you really think that the info you disclosed would be secure? Even if the number of people who see your phone number was smaller, it still wouldn't stop them from revealing it to whomever they wished, now would it.
I'm happy, and I'm celebrating.
It's far more of a stretch to imagine a group of fsp volunteers selling lists of fsp member phone numbers than a telemarketing company doing so.  I could be wrong.  Do you find that fsp volunteers generally sell phone lists to third party companies?
It's one thing to trust your number to a small group of supposedly trustworthy volunteers than to trust your number to a third party telemarketing company.  I would consider telemarketing companies, and robot calling companies specifically, among the dregs of industry.  What other industry makes their money based on how intrusive they can be to people at home?
Not a LOT of other industries take money from customers expressly to contact people at home, while they are eating dinner or relaxing, simply because that's the best time to reach them.
