POSTING GUIDELINES and ADVICE FOR NEW MEMBERS
Quote from: Friday on December 30, 2006, 03:28:50 pmpay people for signupsSERIOUSLY? The FSP is paying people to get F1K signups?
pay people for signups
Quote from: JasonPSorens on December 30, 2006, 03:40:53 pmWow, this thread really blew up... The FSP's privacy policy has never been breached as far as I can tell; I just want to clarify that. From everything I've been told about this new operation, it seems that limited contact information was given to FSP volunteers, not to anyone outside the organization, just as we have always done for local groups, for the big calling project we did during the state vote, and for the earlier (human) calls for the F1K project, which were targeted mostly at people who had indicated on the website that they expected to move within two years.Once the information is in the hands of volunteers, how do you control what happens to it then? That's a violation right there.And what about paying people to send spam robocalls?
Wow, this thread really blew up... The FSP's privacy policy has never been breached as far as I can tell; I just want to clarify that. From everything I've been told about this new operation, it seems that limited contact information was given to FSP volunteers, not to anyone outside the organization, just as we have always done for local groups, for the big calling project we did during the state vote, and for the earlier (human) calls for the F1K project, which were targeted mostly at people who had indicated on the website that they expected to move within two years.
Quote from: JasonPSorens on December 30, 2006, 03:47:43 pmQuote from: Elizabeth on December 30, 2006, 03:44:11 pmQuote from: JasonPSorens on December 30, 2006, 03:40:53 pmWow, this thread really blew up... The FSP's privacy policy has never been breached as far as I can tell; I just want to clarify that. From everything I've been told about this new operation, it seems that limited contact information was given to FSP volunteers, not to anyone outside the organization, just as we have always done for local groups, for the big calling project we did during the state vote, and for the earlier (human) calls for the F1K project, which were targeted mostly at people who had indicated on the website that they expected to move within two years.Once the information is in the hands of volunteers, how do you control what happens to it then? That's a violation right there.As you know, we've always had to use volunteers when we make phone calls or emails to members. After all, we're all volunteers; there are no paid staff. The policy has always been to give only limited contact information necessary for the job at hand - in this case, just names and phone numbers. Volunteers are instructed to use the contact information only for the specific job. Beyond that, what can we do?I can remember a time when we agreed NOT to give out phone numbers and addresses to people, even for local groups, because we were sensitive about privacy issues. What do you even know about these volunteers?Quote from: JasonPSorens on December 30, 2006, 03:47:43 pmQuote from: Elizabeth on December 30, 2006, 03:44:11 pmAnd what about paying people to send spam robocalls?Maybe it's wrong to describe Mark Edge as a "volunteer"; he's an FSP member, but from what I gather, he has been paid to make these calls, simply because we didn't have enough volunteers to make all these calls.So, yes, you sold my number. To a robocall spammer. Who can't even use his equipment correctly.Since when did you lose all sense of responsibility to privacy of your members? Or even lost the sense of good taste not to use spammers?Rich says in this thread his group could have made more human calls - why sell my number to a spammer?
Quote from: Elizabeth on December 30, 2006, 03:44:11 pmQuote from: JasonPSorens on December 30, 2006, 03:40:53 pmWow, this thread really blew up... The FSP's privacy policy has never been breached as far as I can tell; I just want to clarify that. From everything I've been told about this new operation, it seems that limited contact information was given to FSP volunteers, not to anyone outside the organization, just as we have always done for local groups, for the big calling project we did during the state vote, and for the earlier (human) calls for the F1K project, which were targeted mostly at people who had indicated on the website that they expected to move within two years.Once the information is in the hands of volunteers, how do you control what happens to it then? That's a violation right there.As you know, we've always had to use volunteers when we make phone calls or emails to members. After all, we're all volunteers; there are no paid staff. The policy has always been to give only limited contact information necessary for the job at hand - in this case, just names and phone numbers. Volunteers are instructed to use the contact information only for the specific job. Beyond that, what can we do?
Quote from: JasonPSorens on December 30, 2006, 03:40:53 pmWow, this thread really blew up... The FSP's privacy policy has never been breached as far as I can tell; I just want to clarify that. From everything I've been told about this new operation, it seems that limited contact information was given to FSP volunteers, not to anyone outside the organization, just as we have always done for local groups, for the big calling project we did during the state vote, and for the earlier (human) calls for the F1K project, which were targeted mostly at people who had indicated on the website that they expected to move within two years.Once the information is in the hands of volunteers, how do you control what happens to it then? That's a violation right there.
Quote from: Elizabeth on December 30, 2006, 03:44:11 pmAnd what about paying people to send spam robocalls?Maybe it's wrong to describe Mark Edge as a "volunteer"; he's an FSP member, but from what I gather, he has been paid to make these calls, simply because we didn't have enough volunteers to make all these calls.
And what about paying people to send spam robocalls?
Quote from: MengerFan on December 30, 2006, 03:48:01 pmOK, let's calm down again.Friday, I will be returning my data today directly to Verrin. Mark is a reputable public figure, and I am pretty sure that he will also do so.No one's number was sold to anyone. The recorded messages were donated by a FSP supporter. The only entity making money from those was Sprint for the long distance bill.The only "selling" that took place was that Mark was paying a bounty to his volunteers for each verified pledge that they generated. I am unaware of the particular verification process that occurred."His volunteers"? Who the hell is that? Another layer of privacy breach?
OK, let's calm down again.Friday, I will be returning my data today directly to Verrin. Mark is a reputable public figure, and I am pretty sure that he will also do so.No one's number was sold to anyone. The recorded messages were donated by a FSP supporter. The only entity making money from those was Sprint for the long distance bill.The only "selling" that took place was that Mark was paying a bounty to his volunteers for each verified pledge that they generated. I am unaware of the particular verification process that occurred.
And is it true what Friday says about information still missing and/or unreturned?
"The only "selling" that took place was that Mark was paying a bounty to his volunteers for each verified pledge that they generated. I am unaware of the particular verification process that occurred."Does ANYONE in authority know?
"My recollection conflicts with yours - we always gave contact information for FSP participants in a particular area to local group leaders, and expected them to use the information responsibly."Fine, let's say I misremember. Even so, local group leaders were well known and trusted. Can you say the same for all the people that were given personal info for this phone bank?
Quote from: JasonPSorens on December 30, 2006, 04:01:29 pmQuote from: Elizabeth on December 30, 2006, 03:59:53 pm"My recollection conflicts with yours - we always gave contact information for FSP participants in a particular area to local group leaders, and expected them to use the information responsibly."Fine, let's say I misremember. Even so, local group leaders were well known and trusted. Can you say the same for all the people that were given personal info for this phone bank?Mark himself is well known, although I've never met him. He's part of the FTL team, has moved to NH, etc.I'm talking about all the other human volunteers.Who wouldn't want to hear from another Porc? Even twice the same week Kudos to all you guys and gals doing something to advance the FSP, however craven.
Quote from: Elizabeth on December 30, 2006, 03:59:53 pm"My recollection conflicts with yours - we always gave contact information for FSP participants in a particular area to local group leaders, and expected them to use the information responsibly."Fine, let's say I misremember. Even so, local group leaders were well known and trusted. Can you say the same for all the people that were given personal info for this phone bank?Mark himself is well known, although I've never met him. He's part of the FTL team, has moved to NH, etc.
I just.... can't believe.  That the leadership has sunk so low as to approve multiple robocalls.  I'm so... disappointed.  And angry.  And ashamed. ÂÂ
"Varrin and Mark would be the people to ask about that."Then get them over here.
Hey, more spam! That's the spirit!
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth (lloydbob1) on December 30, 2006, 05:03:30 pmQuote from: Elizabeth on December 30, 2006, 01:34:08 pmQuote from: Ruger Mason on December 30, 2006, 01:24:34 pmYou've got to be kidding me. The FSP asks people to turn over their lives, sell their homes, take their kids out of school, quit their jobs and establish it all over again in another state hundreds of miles away, and there's bitching about a 30 second phone call to the point of threatening to call the government in on it. Sorry for the inconvenience, but if you're that miffed by something so minor, then your understanding of the FSP's mission and the gravity of what it asks has been knocked way out of perspective.I know INTIMATELY what the FSP is asking. I also take privacy VERY seriously, and therefore handing out my phone number to god knows who for spam calls is both unnecessary and offensive.Who wouldn't want to hear from another Porc? Even twice the same week Kudo's to all you guys and gals doing something to advance the FSP, however craven.Who wouldn't want to hear from another Porc? Even twice the same week Kudos to all you guys and gals doing something to advance the FSP, however craven.Hey, more spam! That's the spirit!
Quote from: Elizabeth on December 30, 2006, 01:34:08 pmQuote from: Ruger Mason on December 30, 2006, 01:24:34 pmYou've got to be kidding me. The FSP asks people to turn over their lives, sell their homes, take their kids out of school, quit their jobs and establish it all over again in another state hundreds of miles away, and there's bitching about a 30 second phone call to the point of threatening to call the government in on it. Sorry for the inconvenience, but if you're that miffed by something so minor, then your understanding of the FSP's mission and the gravity of what it asks has been knocked way out of perspective.I know INTIMATELY what the FSP is asking. I also take privacy VERY seriously, and therefore handing out my phone number to god knows who for spam calls is both unnecessary and offensive.Who wouldn't want to hear from another Porc? Even twice the same week Kudo's to all you guys and gals doing something to advance the FSP, however craven.
Quote from: Ruger Mason on December 30, 2006, 01:24:34 pmYou've got to be kidding me. The FSP asks people to turn over their lives, sell their homes, take their kids out of school, quit their jobs and establish it all over again in another state hundreds of miles away, and there's bitching about a 30 second phone call to the point of threatening to call the government in on it. Sorry for the inconvenience, but if you're that miffed by something so minor, then your understanding of the FSP's mission and the gravity of what it asks has been knocked way out of perspective.I know INTIMATELY what the FSP is asking. I also take privacy VERY seriously, and therefore handing out my phone number to god knows who for spam calls is both unnecessary and offensive.
You've got to be kidding me. The FSP asks people to turn over their lives, sell their homes, take their kids out of school, quit their jobs and establish it all over again in another state hundreds of miles away, and there's bitching about a 30 second phone call to the point of threatening to call the government in on it. Sorry for the inconvenience, but if you're that miffed by something so minor, then your understanding of the FSP's mission and the gravity of what it asks has been knocked way out of perspective.
Also, the word is "kudos."Watch out for those extra apostrophes - they multiply like SPAM.
