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Re: NH: Majority white - This explain why crime is so low?
« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2007, 12:18:05 am »


NH has low crime due to gun freedom.

Could it be possible the gun freedom (which creates the low-crime situation) is linked to the fact the state is almost entirely white?

Blacks of every socio-economic class overwhelmingly vote for gun control and socialism. Virtually every area of the country with a large black voting population has gun control, and high crime (DC, Oakland, Detroit, Chicago, etc).

Hence having more blacks in your state causes high crime, just not in the way racists claim.
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Re: NH: Majority white - This explain why crime is so low?
« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2007, 06:56:18 am »


NH has low crime due to gun freedom.

Could it be possible the gun freedom (which creates the low-crime situation) is linked to the fact the state is almost entirely white?

Blacks of every socio-economic class overwhelmingly vote for gun control and socialism. Virtually every area of the country with a large black voting population has gun control, and high crime (DC, Oakland, Detroit, Chicago, etc).

Hence having more blacks in your state causes high crime, just not in the way racists claim.

I don't think this is related in any way, nor is it true.  Blacks as a whole do not support gun control.  Certain individual people of all so called "races" or ethnic groups support gun control.  In certain counties of MS, TN, and other Southern states, large percentages of the population are black.  However, these areas are not known for high levels of gun control when compared to near-by areas that are almost completely white.

You seem to be talking about areas where lots of statists, liberals, and socialist live.  Sure, those areas tend to create pro-crime laws.
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Re: NH: Majority white - This explain why crime is so low?
« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2007, 09:03:18 am »

Firearms freedom played an important role in the civil rights movement:

http://www.reason.com/news/show/32890.html
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Re: NH: Majority white - This explain why crime is so low?
« Reply #48 on: January 18, 2007, 12:21:49 am »

Ha, ha, NH has the largest percentage of folks with Irish heritage of any state.  That must be the reason for the low crime rate, correlated as it is with ethnicity - after all we are widely known for our abstemious nature with respect to drinking and violence.

too many ethnic folks

Using "ethnic" this way implies that whites are the only people without an ethnicity. Whites - or the various varieties of them - are "ethnic" too.
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Re: NH: Majority white - This explain why crime is so low?
« Reply #49 on: January 19, 2007, 08:01:14 am »

IMHO any kind of cultural heritage is pretty much irrelevant. Crime might be higher among black communities but I would suspect that has much more to do with higher poverty levels among black communities as compared to white communities and the links between wealth and violent crime are well established.

In addition anywhere where people are accorded personal freedom people are more likely to respect others rights (France being a prime example rate of this).

Based on the fact NH has such a high per capita GDP and the personal freedoms NH enjoy, compared to the rest of the union, both result in a lower crime rate. Seems pretty clear cut to me.
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Re: NH: Majority white - This explain why crime is so low?
« Reply #50 on: January 19, 2007, 09:37:03 am »

IMHO any kind of cultural heritage is pretty much irrelevant. Crime might be higher among black communities but I would suspect that has much more to do with higher poverty levels among black communities as compared to white communities and the links between wealth and violent crime are well established.

In addition anywhere where people are accorded personal freedom people are more likely to respect others rights (France being a prime example rate of this).

Based on the fact NH has such a high per capita GDP and the personal freedoms NH enjoy, compared to the rest of the union, both result in a lower crime rate. Seems pretty clear cut to me.

During the Depression, Black were among the poorest people in the country and yet they were involved in little crime.  Crime among Urban Blacks is due to the high number of single mothers due to the welfare system.  During the Depression Black families were intact.  Welfare pushed the fathers out of the picture.
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Re: NH: Majority white - This explain why crime is so low?
« Reply #51 on: January 19, 2007, 10:33:58 am »

IMHO any kind of cultural heritage is pretty much irrelevant. Crime might be higher among black communities but I would suspect that has much more to do with higher poverty levels among black communities as compared to white communities and the links between wealth and violent crime are well established.

In addition anywhere where people are accorded personal freedom people are more likely to respect others rights (France being a prime example rate of this).

Based on the fact NH has such a high per capita GDP and the personal freedoms NH enjoy, compared to the rest of the union, both result in a lower crime rate. Seems pretty clear cut to me.

During the Depression, Black were among the poorest people in the country and yet they were involved in little crime.  Crime among Urban Blacks is due to the high number of single mothers due to the welfare system.  During the Depression Black families were intact.  Welfare pushed the fathers out of the picture.

I come from a single parent family and a mother who chose welfare over working and find the very idea of a crime involving a victim sickening. To a certain extent I agree with what you are saying though but I would suggest that goes back to self-responsability. When the state tells you that you can take property from other people and keep it for yourself, and you don't recognise the err of that sentiment, then the perception of self-responsability becomes skewed.

I would also suggest that in a time when a Negroes rights in society were less then that of caucasian folk it is pretty difficult to draw comparisons. If people have been under the boot for a few hundred years and the hideous difference in sentences back then people are much more likely to stay in line. Today we say that black people are not responsable for their actions because they don't get the same advantages, which I see as being precisely the opposite as what is actually the case, you further remove a sense of self-responsability.
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Re: NH: Majority white - This explain why crime is so low?
« Reply #52 on: January 19, 2007, 03:00:23 pm »

Based on the fact NH has such a high per capita GDP and the personal freedoms NH enjoy, compared to the rest of the union, both result in a lower crime rate. Seems pretty clear cut to me.

Poverty and crime are not always related.  There are poor towns in NH, like Berlin, with low crime.  There are much nicer parts of my city with higher crime.  Don't people tend to make more in CT than in NH?  But CT has higher crime.  Also, people make more in NH than ME, but NH has higher crime than ME.
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Re: NH: Majority white - This explain why crime is so low?
« Reply #53 on: January 19, 2007, 05:24:31 pm »


I come from a single parent family and a mother who chose welfare over working and find the very idea of a crime involving a victim sickening. To a certain extent I agree with what you are saying though but I would suggest that goes back to self-responsability. When the state tells you that you can take property from other people and keep it for yourself, and you don't recognise the err of that sentiment, then the perception of self-responsability becomes skewed.

I would also suggest that in a time when a Negroes rights in society were less then that of caucasian folk it is pretty difficult to draw comparisons. If people have been under the boot for a few hundred years and the hideous difference in sentences back then people are much more likely to stay in line. Today we say that black people are not responsable for their actions because they don't get the same advantages, which I see as being precisely the opposite as what is actually the case, you further remove a sense of self-responsability.

I'm guessing you didn't grow up in a neighborhood where most of the males were involved in crime, victimless and not, and we're encouraging you to do the same.


I know two Black males in their late 70's, early 80's.  One a descendant of slaves, the other, not.  They both spent all of there lives in Hartford, CT  One of them comes from a local family that goes back a couple hundred years, the other from the south.  They both agree that while it wasn't rosy for Blacks in the 30's, they we're as well off as their white neighbors.  If they had ever come home with anything that didn't belong to them their fathers would have tanned their hides.
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Re: NH: Majority white - This explain why crime is so low?
« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2007, 11:47:38 am »


During the Depression, Black were among the poorest people in the country and yet they were involved in little crime.  Crime among Urban Blacks is due to the high number of single mothers due to the welfare system.  During the Depression Black families were intact.  Welfare pushed the fathers out of the picture.

I am convinced it is the drug war.

Cathleen
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Re: NH: Majority white - This explain why crime is so low?
« Reply #55 on: January 21, 2007, 05:19:59 pm »


I come from a single parent family and a mother who chose welfare over working and find the very idea of a crime involving a victim sickening. To a certain extent I agree with what you are saying though but I would suggest that goes back to self-responsability. When the state tells you that you can take property from other people and keep it for yourself, and you don't recognise the err of that sentiment, then the perception of self-responsability becomes skewed.

I would also suggest that in a time when a Negroes rights in society were less then that of caucasian folk it is pretty difficult to draw comparisons. If people have been under the boot for a few hundred years and the hideous difference in sentences back then people are much more likely to stay in line. Today we say that black people are not responsable for their actions because they don't get the same advantages, which I see as being precisely the opposite as what is actually the case, you further remove a sense of self-responsability.

I'm guessing you didn't grow up in a neighborhood where most of the males were involved in crime, victimless and not, and we're encouraging you to do the same.

Just the opposite, one of the highest crime areas in this country (two rival gangs on each side and they come in to my neighbourhood to shoot each other). I think this is another one of these questions we can never answer though, fun to discuss but impossible to say one way or the other for sure.
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Re: NH: Majority white - This explain why crime is so low?
« Reply #56 on: January 21, 2007, 05:28:11 pm »

I meant to add that if you did come from such a neighborhood and found your way here, good for you.
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Re: NH: Majority white - This explain why crime is so low?
« Reply #57 on: January 22, 2007, 04:47:45 pm »

I grew up in Campton, graduated from Plymouth Area High School in 1975, and went to college at Camp Nanny Haha (Nathaniel Hawthorne College halfway between Concord and Keene).  We used to leave the keys in the car while visiting downtown Plymouth because someone might need to move it, never a thought it might get stolen.  I only knew one black person my entire life until I joined the Army. 

I now live in Durham, NC, home of the Duke Lacrosse team and Mike Nifong.  I moved here partly because I wanted to experience what diversity really was.  We live in a beautiful part of the country that has mild winters and year-round motorcycling.  It is an incredibly creative and artistic community that has an income level that can support the business I am in - fine custom jewelry.  We left NH because there wasn't enough of a market for high-end jewelry up north.  Along with the wonderful experience of living and working with some of the world's most talented and prolific artists of every conceivable medium, I have also experienced racism on a level that I couldn't even imagine still exists.  Bigotry is still alive and well, and practiced by people of ALL races.  You should hear what some black people have to say about the influx of Hispanic people here! 

It is my observation that in an ironic twist of Martin Luther King's Dream, the issue of race is no longer primarily about skin color, but rather about political views.  Hence Bill Clinton was hailed as the "First Black President" and Dr. Condoleeza Rice is referred to as an "Oreo" and other less polite names.  Mike Nifong pursued the Duke Lacrosse case because he knew that regardless of your race, if you don't get the "Black Vote" in Durham, you don't get elected.  He was right.  He got re-elected.  Unfortunately the "Black Community" (whatever that really means) still votes as a bloc, facts and truth be damned!

Durham, North Carolina is plagued with a high rate of violent crime.  Most of the violence is committed by young black men on other young black men.  Far too many young black males are told from the moment they have understanding that they have no future and that they have been kept down by "The Man" because they are black.  Because of this centuries old, systemic, racist oppression by the "White Man", the only real options they have are to steal, deal drugs, pimp, become a sports/rap star or work at Mickey D's.  The Criminal Justice and Public School systems only reinforce this belief.  Urban Liberal voters of every race that buy into this dead-end thought process (or vote for it in exchange for a ride and a pack of smokes) are the primary reason crime runs rampant in so many urban areas.  Fortunately, New Hampshire still has very few truly urban areas in which these "Progressive" Liberals can thrive and spread their well-meaning but poisonous message of apology and non-responsibility.  More importantly, their numbers are too few to get elected to public office en masse to implement their version of "progress" at the State level.

My wife and I volunteered to be Guardians ad Litem in an effort to "do our part" to reduce crime.  In our work with the Court we have observed what happens when a young black girl (sorry, a 13 year old is not a "young woman" yet) has an out-of-wedlock baby in Durham.  The whole neighborhood throws a huge party.  It's a big, noisy, fun, really cool bash that can go on for days.  The new mother is at the center of it all.  She also gets money, clothes, food and a home from the City, State, and the Feds.  Then, when reality kicks in and she has to go back to school or go to work, surprise!  She's pregnant again.  Never mind about the father.  He's told not to worry about it.  The City, State and Feds will take care of Momma and the Baby; it's probably best for everyone if he doesn't get involved.  After all, how can a fatherless fifteen year old illiterate boy with a drug problem and a criminal record help raise a child?  The baby grows up to be a strapping 14 year old and continues the cycle.  Mike Nifong and the Progressive Liberals get another voter, the Crips get another soldier for their war against the Bloods, and "The Man" gets one more victim to keep down.  It's one of the saddest, most frustrating things I've ever witnessed.  And no one is willing to take responsibility for any of it.  Not even the voters.

That's why the crime stats for New Hampshire are comparatively low.  People from the Granite State wouldn't put up with that kind of crap.

My lease expires in three years.  We've already started packing.  See you in 2010.

Dave
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Re: NH: Majority white - This explain why crime is so low?
« Reply #58 on: January 23, 2007, 12:13:26 am »

IWe left NH because there wasn't enough of a market for high-end jewelry up north.  We've already started packing.  See you in 2010.

Seems like you can renew your NH roots while selling your high-end jewelry at least on the internet (e.g. eBay) and to the tourists who can escape taxachusets.  Welcome back!

Matt
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Re: NH: Majority white - This explain why crime is so low?
« Reply #59 on: January 23, 2007, 10:16:15 am »

If the market is good in NC, why not find an outlet there and live here? The shops where your customers shop would likely distribute for you.

Cathleen
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