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GhengisConrad

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Re: TAXES!!!
« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2007, 01:15:40 am »

May I kindly refer you all to these topics

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=13483.msg170265#msg170265

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=13482.0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_privatization

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=13739.0

And as for legal courts and what not I actually really like Ayn Rand`s idea she put forth in one of her philosophy books. I couldnt find a link and the book I have is currently being borrowed by my friend but its like, everytime you sign a contract you pay a small insurance fee to the gov.. and yea.

Hope this can shed some light.
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

and as for healthcare, legalize drugs, and you really dont need to go to a doctor. Half the time I know what I need before I go in. I can just Wiki my symptoms and save about a hundred bucks if I could just go get the medicene myself. Honestly I almost always get exactly what I thought I needed. and if someone doesnt have the internet, for 5$ Ill look it up for them.

Its called the free market. It works ;D
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Re: TAXES!!!
« Reply #46 on: June 10, 2007, 06:37:11 am »

Many mass transit systems were purcahsed by the car companies and dismantled.

 I doubt there is any large scale public transit system today that isn't massively subsidized.

The only one I'm aware of is the monorail in Las Vegas.
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Re: TAXES!!!
« Reply #47 on: June 10, 2007, 08:24:45 am »

I doubt there is any large scale public transit system today that isn't massively subsidized.

The only one I'm aware of is the monorail in Las Vegas.

I wouldn't really call that one "large scale". It's pretty localized. Still, I'm glad you brought it up because it's a great example for expanding on my point.

I think that's a great example of a transportation system that exists without any direct cost to users like toll booths because it serves businesses for customers to be able to reach them. They wanted to remove discouragements from patronizing their businesses like walking in the hot Vegas sun, without adding any discouragement like a cost of getting around.

It serves so many aspects of our society for us to have an affordable and practical means of transportation that the market is best for solving the complicated problem of roads. In fact, it is such a complicated problem and that's why it's best solved organically rather than with central planning by bureaucrats. I suspect a lot of roads and other means of transportion will exist without any direct cost to users simply because there are businesses or organizations that benefit enough from their functionality to buy and/or maintain them. They'd rather allow some freeloaders on the Vegas rail than go through the tedium and cost of maintaining a toll system.

If one is of a libertarian mindset, then one presumably believes the free market solves problems better than central planning. Why does one often abandon that belief when it comes to the really big, complex, and important problems and insist an aggressive manipulative force must be in charge of those things? Those problems are particularly suited for an organic and continually evolving solution.

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Re: TAXES!!!
« Reply #48 on: June 10, 2007, 04:19:17 pm »

In the area I live we have both public and private bus service.  The private bus service is the same price, and there's no schedules to memorize.  You just call a local number and give an address and time; they'll send a bus around to pick you up anywhere in the city limits.  It's a lot like calling a taxi, but they use buses that seat about 20.

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Re: TAXES!!!
« Reply #49 on: June 25, 2007, 12:33:40 pm »

This thread bumped right into the ideas from a book I just finished reading ... "Brave New War" by John Robb.  I can't imagine a worse thing in the world than allowing the state to provide "infrastructure" in the rapidly changing world we face today.  Those who are hung up on figuring out the 'how' ... we don't have to know the answer to every question.  Thats the beauty of the market (or of a deeply networked "open source" society).  The answer to a given problem *will* emerge, or my new favorite way to say this, "Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow."

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Re: TAXES!!! and Monorail
« Reply #50 on: June 30, 2007, 06:22:34 pm »

I live in Las Vegas, and the monorail IS SUBSIDIZED by the taxpayers.  It was a public-private operation, funded partly by casinos, but the taxpayers are on the hook for bonds.  The sucker loses money every month.
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Re: TAXES!!! and Monorail
« Reply #51 on: July 23, 2007, 03:34:31 pm »

I live in Las Vegas, and the monorail IS SUBSIDIZED by the taxpayers.  It was a public-private operation, funded partly by casinos, but the taxpayers are on the hook for bonds.  The sucker loses money every month.

Monorail is not cost effective only because the automobile is so heavily subsidized. Mass transit only makes sense when the urban area is of sufficient density to make it profitable. You would first have to end all the direct subsidies and indirect privilege to the automobile which includes those to oil and roads.
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Re: TAXES!!! and Monorail
« Reply #52 on: July 23, 2007, 06:32:42 pm »

I live in Las Vegas, and the monorail IS SUBSIDIZED by the taxpayers.  It was a public-private operation, funded partly by casinos, but the taxpayers are on the hook for bonds.  The sucker loses money every month.

Didn't know that. I was under the impression that private meant private. Silly me. We're crushed on the one here in Phx. Just one more reason to move to NH.  :)
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