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The Libertarian vote
« on: November 08, 2006, 07:56:02 am »

Just for those who wonder where the Libertarians (capital L) did well this election in NH... and have a base of local supporters to build on...

Ken Blevens ran a non-existent campaign, and was also locked out of the debate between Bass and Hodes... and with the race considered close between the 2, those voting Libertarian did so with full knowledge that it was a close race, and likely voted SOLELY on the basis of the L as a 3rd choice on the ballot.  Statewide, that was enough for only 2%, but some places did much better (I'm only including places where 3% means over 15 people or showing over 50 there voting Libertarian..).  This is not a complete list.  See http://www.nhpr.org/node/11765

Town    Hodes Votes    Hodes %    Bass Votes    Bass %    Blevens Votes    Blevens %
Allenstown    624    52 %    530    45 %    35    3 %    
Alstead    396    60 %    250    38 %    18    3 %    
Amherst    2,193    48 %    2,324    51 %    63    1 %    
Ashland    297    47 %    323    51 %    17    3 %    
Berlin    1,671    54 %    1,064    35 %    337    11 %    
Bow    1,652    48 %    1,687    50 %    69    2 %    (Home of Blevens)
Campton    580    55 %    455    43 %    28    3 %    
Colebrook    231    41 %    323    57 %    16    3 %    
Concord    8,160    60 %    5,147    38 %    200    1 %    
Franklin    1,125    48 %    1,120    48 %    95    4 %    
Grafton    176    43 %    211    51 %    26    6 %    
Haverhill    549    44 %    669    53 %    34    3 %    
Hopkinton    1,596    56 %    1,188    42 %    43    2 %    (home of Lynch)
Hudson    2,692    46 %    3,078    52 %    113    2 %    
Jaffrey    964    52 %    866    46 %    35    2 %
Keene    4,974    67 %    2,406    32 %    63    1 %    
Lisbon    182    37 %    217    44 %    95    19 %    
Milford    2,077    49 %    2,105    49 %    84    2 %    
Rumney    273    45 %    315    52 %    16    3 %    
Thornton    383    45 %    437    52 %    23    3 %    
Washington    175    43 %    216    53 %    16    4 %    
Winchester    628    60 %    426    40 %    0    0 %     (hmm... have to check on that one)
Windham    1,594    40 %    2,321    59 %    52    1 %    (Home of Coburn)
Totals    106,416    53 %    92,039    46 %    3,705    2 %    

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Re: The Libertarian vote
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2006, 09:41:16 am »

Isn't there another link that lists how ALL the LP candidates did? This one only seems to have Blevens. Maybe he did the best, but I didn't get to vote for him, so I'm curious how the others did :)
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Re: The Libertarian vote
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2006, 10:34:19 am »

Isn't there another link that lists how ALL the LP candidates did? This one only seems to have Blevens. Maybe he did the best, but I didn't get to vote for him, so I'm curious how the others did :)

The only other LPers running were

Bob Kingsbury in Laconia: lost very very badly (170 votes compared to 1800+ for the next _loser_)
Matthew Kahn in Hudson: lost very badly ( 603 versus 3,405 for the next _loser_)    
Lisa Wilber in Weare: lost badly (1012 versus 2,631 for the next _loser_)

We won't know final results for Rich Kahn till the SOS posts the results.
There was no serious writein race in CD 1

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Re: The Libertarian vote
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2006, 03:52:33 pm »

looks like Berlin, Grafton, Franklin, & Washington are all above the 4% threshold...
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Re: The Libertarian vote
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2006, 06:58:25 pm »

looks like Berlin, Grafton, Franklin, & Washington are all above the 4% threshold...

Berlin is a _strong_ surprise here.   I know people who will be happy to hear that.

Franklin would be a GREAT place to move, folks, if you haven't considered it.  It's close enough to Concord, has good shopping nearby, land isn't as expensive, and taxes are an issue for them.  Recommended.

Grafton is about what was expected, and Washington (and many other towns I left off due to smaller numbers) had a good dozen or so voters, which is small but percentage is above average)

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Re: The Libertarian vote
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2006, 02:42:37 am »

I've been spending an awful lot of hours at the computer recently, trying to figure out where in NH to settle... and just a few days ago, I picked Franklin.  It looks like a great place to be, as far as I can tell from this distance.  I'm searching these forums now, trying to determine how many Porcs we might have there.

Any advice, comments, anecdotes, etc. regarding Franklin, NH is more than welcome.
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Re: The Libertarian vote
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2006, 06:41:43 am »

My wife and I liked Franklin when we visited. The housing stock is about a third more affordable than here in suburban Chicago. Franklin is economically depressed since a paper mill was closed down and consequently the reputation among NH natives, appeared to us, to be snobbish toward Frankliners because those remaining are lower income now. A very large dose of libertariansim would certainly help in the revitalization.

It has a beautiful 'hometown america' type downtown but alot of storefront vacancies. What we liked most was the local golf course books major name blues bands every week for their clubhouse. ;D

We would also be interested in any feedback anyone has about Franklin.

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Re: The Libertarian vote
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2006, 06:56:57 am »

My wife and I liked Franklin when we visited. The housing stock is about a third more affordable than here in suburban Chicago. Franklin is economically depressed since a paper mill was closed down and consequently the reputation among NH natives, appeared to us, to be snobbish toward Frankliners because those remaining are lower income now. A very large dose of libertariansim would certainly help in the revitalization.

It has a beautiful 'hometown america' type downtown but alot of storefront vacancies. What we liked most was the local golf course books major name blues bands every week for their clubhouse. ;D

We would also be interested in any feedback anyone has about Franklin.



Berlin had the paper mill not Franklin.

Franklin was one of the school districts that joined in on the original Claremont decision...
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Re: The Libertarian vote
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2006, 07:25:12 am »

I've been spending an awful lot of hours at the computer recently, trying to figure out where in NH to settle... and just a few days ago, I picked Franklin.  It looks like a great place to be, as far as I can tell from this distance.  I'm searching these forums now, trying to determine how many Porcs we might have there.

Any advice, comments, anecdotes, etc. regarding Franklin, NH is more than welcome.

Advice: you have to visit a town, or better yet a few towns, to get a feel for a place.

Comment:  Franklin has a lot going for it, but lacks industries.  There are plenty of local issues to get involved in, but of course, it helps if you care about those issues in the first place.  They have had schooling controversies for some time, one of the first Charter schools which closed due to funding issues (google it).

Anecdote: It was the site of the first big Porc wedding, at which (newly elected) Joel married Amy.

Etc.:  There are plenty of porcs who live within an 1/2 hour of Franklin.  There is an offer one Porc makes of free use of his airstream trailer on his property in Belmont for a week free for visiting Porcs, which would be close enough for visiting and getting a good feel of the surrounding area.  Tilton is a busy shopping area, for example.

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Re: The Libertarian vote
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2006, 09:19:07 am »

My $0.02, given, as always, free of charge:

Move to the socialist strongholds. Please.
The constitutionalist enclaves already have great people in the State House.
The problems come from the people sent to Concord by the people of Keene, Concord, (parts of) Manchester, and Nashua.
There are ~15 State Reps that sponsor ~80% of the evil, statist bills.
Move into those districts, and unseat them.
Please!

One good way to decide it to just look at the most recent NHLA Endorsements list.
Move to any town *not* listed there -- if it ain't listed there, they NEED good people to take office!!

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Re: The Libertarian vote
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2006, 06:30:37 pm »

I love talking about Franklin.  I enjoyed the town.  It is one of the least expensive place in lower NH.  It is an actual town and very close to Tilton (Tilton is a major shopping area), has the biggest lakes in NH, and is even close to Concord.  It has it's own hospital, low housing values, and low taxes.  Crime is not bad either.  There is even a beach that is open to the public and the mountains are close in a couple of directions.  It is not far from a couple interstates and a major river, either.
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Re: The Libertarian vote
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2006, 06:49:43 pm »

Denis, I just assumed Franklin was a socialist haven. Correct me if I am wrong but arent they some of the louder voices regarding "fair"(read high tax) school funding?

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Re: The Libertarian vote
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2006, 06:54:42 pm »

Hmm.. final results from the SOS office are different... once again, the spectre of vote changing is raised, or at least the inaccuracies of AP reporting:

http://www.sos.nh.gov/general2006/congress2%202006.htm

Excerpts for Berlin, Grafton and Franklin:

 November 7, 2006      CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT 2
     Bass, r    Hodes, d    Blevens, l         Scatter
Berlin Ward 1    240    398    9         
Berlin Ward 2    251    397    17         
Berlin Ward 3    367    499    9         1
Berlin Ward 4    206    377    16         
Franklin Ward 1      455      396      11             2
Franklin Ward 2    292    293    9         
Franklin Ward 3    373    436    15         
Grafton    211    176    26         

Totals           94,012          108,634           3,305              -              156

Let's compare:
AP reports 3,777, but the SOS only reports 3305?
That's a 400 vote difference...

Compare the Bass numbers   108,525   or 100+ votes diffs
and Hodes  93,905  or 100+ votes difference...

Something smells here...

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Re: The Libertarian vote
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2006, 09:44:13 pm »

We need someone there to make sure the counts are accurate.  Damn, I need to move...
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Re: The Libertarian vote
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2006, 09:47:23 pm »

Hmm.. final results from the SOS office are different... once again, the spectre of vote changing is raised, or at least the inaccuracies of AP reporting:

Something smells here...

After looking hard and asking others about it... looks like it's poor reporting, not vote changing... but it's still darn ugly that reporters can't get simple numbers right.
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