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Another question?  For me, my greatest fear is the underminding of civil liberties by the federal government, especially things like the Real ID Act.  Doing things on a local level is a truly good thing.  I think what Lauren Canario (?) has done for eminent domain is admirable.  However, will the FSP be able to exert influence on the federal government, because sooner or later, with the consolidation of power at the federal level, I think that is going to be the most important question?  For example, what are the chances of a Libertarian (or strongly pro-freedom and independent minded Republican or Democrat) from New Hampshire gaining office in the US House or Senate?  Thanks.
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Re: Will New Hampshire be able to exert influence on federal government?
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2006, 05:45:19 pm »

For example, what are the chances of a Libertarian (or strongly pro-freedom and independent minded Republican or Democrat) from New Hampshire gaining office in the US House or Senate?  Thanks.

I think that it is far more important to have a culture of strongly pro-freedom people in NH.  The people of a state are the most important.  Next in line would probably be pro-freedom politicians in state government.  Nobody is going to listen to a pro-freedom Congressman or Senator in D.C. (exhibit A is Ron Paul).  Don't get me wrong, I love hearing about the things that Ron Paul is saying and reading the bills that he introduces, but the feds have absolutely no interest in limiting the power of the federal government.

Senators used to be elected by state legislatures to provide a further check on the power of the federal government vis-a-vis the state governments.  The populists like TR and LaFollette did away with that check by proposing and enacting the 17th Amendment (creating the system for the direct election of senators).

Small is beautiful . . . Focus on NH and your town / city.  Most federal programs require the cooperation and acquiescence of the state and local governments in this country (look at the "Joint Terrorism Task Forces" springing up around the country as just one example).
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Re: Will New Hampshire be able to exert influence on federal government?
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2006, 09:24:15 pm »

NH does already exert influence on government in a broader since.  Remember, the American Revolution started in NH.  The 1st battle, it was the 1st start to declare independence, and so on.  It currently has the 1st primary for Prez which means that all of the people running for the top office in America have to sit though getting asked question after question by anyone from NH that wants to ask questions.  It also has the 1st vote in America and that always makes national news. 

Keep in mind that southern NH is also part of one of the 8 largest MSAs in America and the major college region in America so NH news and issues are easier to spread.

NH's executive branch (under Gov Benson) has already set precedent for breaking federal law and getting away with it.  It will happen again.
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Re: Will New Hampshire be able to exert influence on federal government?
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2006, 11:02:23 pm »

and if more people move sooner we can do more.

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Re: Will New Hampshire be able to exert influence on federal government?
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2006, 01:47:18 am »

My analysis of the situation is that in the 2006-2007 legislative session, NH fought the Federal Government to a standstill, and since then had changed the frame of the Real-ID debate. US Senator Sununu (R-NH) has some very choice Op-Ed pieces in the NH newspapers about Real-ID :D

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Re: Will New Hampshire be able to exert influence on federal government?
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2006, 06:19:23 am »

Another question?  For me, my greatest fear is the underminding of civil liberties by the federal government, especially things like the Real ID Act.  Doing things on a local level is a truly good thing.  I think what Lauren Canario (?) has done for eminent domain is admirable.  However, will the FSP be able to exert influence on the federal government, because sooner or later, with the consolidation of power at the federal level, I think that is going to be the most important question?  For example, what are the chances of a Libertarian (or strongly pro-freedom and independent minded Republican or Democrat) from New Hampshire gaining office in the US House or Senate?  Thanks.

From http://www.state.nh.us/constitution/billofrights.html

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[Art.] 7. [State Sovereignty.] The people of this state have the sole and exclusive right of governing themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent state; and do, and forever hereafter shall, exercise and enjoy every power, jurisdiction, and right, pertaining thereto, which is not, or may not hereafter be, by them expressly delegated to the United States of America in congress assembled.

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[Art.] 10. [Right of Revolution.] Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.
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Re: Will New Hampshire be able to exert influence on federal government?
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2006, 10:46:29 pm »

Noncompliance with bad and unconstitutional federal legislation will be a direct way to check the Feds. I think any state can push the enevelope a lot further in regards to ignoring the feds without any real problems.

I think that with about 1000 movers, we will be able to exert enough influence to get a pro-liberty Rep in congress. That may help a little in building more of a liberty subculture in Washington, but in itself it won't do much to turn back federal tyranny.
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Re: Will New Hampshire be able to exert influence on federal government?
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2006, 11:18:46 pm »

I would hope that by electing pro-liberty people to federal office, NH could get the rest of the country (or, at least, some of it, California, Mass., and NY are probably lost causes) curious about what is happening here.  Let's face it, right now state's rights are dead; the tenth amendment has been thrown in the ashbin.  Yes, electing pro-liberty representatives to state government would help matters; evidently, it only took a few stubborn and unprincipled senators to undermind the state's resistance to the Real ID, although the fight is not over.  But it is still hard for states to resist the power of the federal government.  Electing pro-liberty people to national offices may help America wake up to the danger that the federal government poses to the liberties that most of the rest of the country takes for granted.
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Re: Will New Hampshire be able to exert influence on federal government?
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2006, 11:43:23 am »

Agreed, we must get as many pro liberty in the NH legislature as possible.
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Re: Will New Hampshire be able to exert influence on federal government?
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2006, 12:58:22 pm »

Agreed, we must get as many pro liberty in the NH legislature as possible.
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Re: Will New Hampshire be able to exert influence on federal government?
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2006, 06:12:24 pm »

Some of the worst abuses of government are coming from state and municipal governments.  There is also very little media coverage of state affairs.

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Re: Will New Hampshire be able to exert influence on federal government?
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2006, 11:41:39 am »

Another question?  For me, my greatest fear is the underminding of civil liberties by the federal government, especially things like the Real ID Act.  Doing things on a local level is a truly good thing.  I think what Lauren Canario (?) has done for eminent domain is admirable.  However, will the FSP be able to exert influence on the federal government, because sooner or later, with the consolidation of power at the federal level, I think that is going to be the most important question?  For example, what are the chances of a Libertarian (or strongly pro-freedom and independent minded Republican or Democrat) from New Hampshire gaining office in the US House or Senate?  Thanks.

Most people are not doing CD and getting arrested. We have plenty of ED trials right here in NH that we help with as well. The majority of FSPers are working to help NH and within the gov't to get good candidates elected. However this caveat is in order...

As a non-partisan organization we at CNHT don't really care what party you choose to join...that is, as long as you are for the cause of lower taxes and less government.

But lately, we are seeing many people calling themselves 'libertarians' championing the causes of socialists who hope to overthrow the very champions who are responsible for the wonderful advantages that NH offers that made it so inviting a state in the first place!
 
NH is not just the lowest taxed, most prosperous, highest acheiving  state in the northeast for nothing. It is Republicans who are responsible for this.

Is it any wonder that Republicans also scored the highest on this non-partisan (NHLA) scorecard, from a group started and run mostly by FSPers?

New Hampshire Liberty Alliance Scorecard
http://www.cnht.org/images/2006HouseNHLA.pdf

Here also is some important information on how taxation has ruined the economies of  Vermont and Connecticut:
http://www.cnht.org/images/riverdividesit.pdf
http://www.cnht.org/images/fifteen.pdf

And finally a chart of our state as it compares to the others tax-wise:
http://www.cnht.org/images/tax_chart.jpg

The bottom line is, no matter what, it is REPUBLICANS who have given us and helped us KEEP the NH Advantage, all these years.

Now is not the time to have temper tantrums or to vote for those promoting bigger government and higher taxes.

It is hoped that people who vote will realize this and vote to keep this advantage.

It is hoped that people who move here will plan to work with us to keep the NH Advantage, no matter which 'party' is responsible...

Please come help us starting with the towns and cities and on up into the state level. You CAN have influence here.

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Re: Will New Hampshire be able to exert influence on federal government?
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2006, 11:56:20 am »


I think that it is far more important to have a culture of strongly pro-freedom people in NH.  The people of a state are the most important.  Next in line would probably be pro-freedom politicians in state government....
Small is beautiful . . . Focus on NH and your town / city.

Thank you Spencer I could not have said it better myself. The FSP is about NEW HAMPSHIRE. So if you come here we hope you plan to focus on being an activist in your TOWN or CITY and at the STATE level. We have helped many FSPers do this, and in fact, folks like DREEPA are MODEL FSP NH citizens making a difference doing what they were supposed to do.

If you want to stand on a street corner and protest the war with Cindy Sheehan, that is fine, but that can be done from any state right?
If you want to come here we hope it would be to HELP NH stay the very best.

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Re: Will New Hampshire be able to exert influence on federal government?
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2006, 02:54:16 pm »


NH's executive branch (under Gov Benson) has already set precedent for breaking federal law and getting away with it.  It will happen again.


Benson was awesome wasn't he?
And Keith always awes me with his knowledge.  ;)

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Re: Will New Hampshire be able to exert influence on federal government?
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2007, 09:29:22 pm »

Also, don't forget, we have a U.S. Senator starting in 2010
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