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Mike Lorrey

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Marry A Foreigner For Freedom!
« on: June 30, 2006, 02:18:18 pm »

As y'all likely know, we have a number of foreign FSP members, and prospective members, who are worried about their ability to immigrate to the US. At the same time, we have a large number of single Free Staters who are US citizens. I would like to propose a Marry4Freedom program be launched, to match single FSP member non-citizens with single FSP member citizens.

As most of us do not regard the governments right to regulate marriage as having any kind of legitimacy, this can be another tool to use their own system against them while boosting our numbers.
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Re: Marry A Foreigner For Freedom!
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2006, 06:08:45 pm »

i think this is a really neat idea.
too bad people take marrige so seriously..

o well..
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Re: Marry A Foreigner For Freedom!
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2006, 08:15:20 pm »

I second the motion!  Brazilian please.  Or Colombian.  ;D
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Re: Marry A Foreigner For Freedom!
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2006, 10:50:37 pm »

I want a Mediterannean hottie, preferably one who can cook and also inspire me to achieve greatness.   :-*
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Re: Marry A Foreigner For Freedom!
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2006, 11:35:33 pm »

In your dreams guys - they'd be coming for the green card, not you  ;D
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Re: Marry A Foreigner For Freedom!
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2006, 10:48:59 am »

I have done my part.... ;D  (I think  ???)
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Re: Marry A Foreigner For Freedom!
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2006, 10:55:11 am »

I have done my part.... ;D (I think ???)

Hai, soo desu.   ;)
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Re: Marry A Foreigner For Freedom!
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2006, 02:03:59 pm »

i think this is a really neat idea.
too bad people take marrige so seriously..

o well..

I don't. I'd be willing to use the marriage system to help foreign freestaters.

Anyone willing to tolerate me most definately deserves to live in America.
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Re: Marry A Foreigner For Freedom!
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2006, 03:07:33 pm »

Yes, let's make permanent life decisions in order to get one person to move to the US. ::)
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Re: Marry A Foreigner For Freedom!
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2006, 03:18:00 pm »

Yes, let's make permanent life decisions in order to get one person to move to the US. ::)

Marriage is not a big deal to some people.
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Re: Marry A Foreigner For Freedom!
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2006, 04:03:07 pm »

As Mike said in his first post #! above: "As most of us do not regard the governments right to regulate marriage as having any kind of legitimacy, this can be another tool to use their own system against them while boosting our numbers."

This has nothing to do with a lifelong committment or a 'real' marriage. It's an interesting proposition that has only one goal. To use the gooferment licensing system to get foreign Porcs legally into NH. I assume there would be an undoing of the marriage (divorce) at the legally appropriate time.

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Re: Marry A Foreigner For Freedom!
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2006, 08:50:44 pm »

As Mike said in his first post #! above: "As most of us do not regard the governments right to regulate marriage as having any kind of legitimacy, this can be another tool to use their own system against them while boosting our numbers."

This has nothing to do with a lifelong committment or a 'real' marriage. It's an interesting proposition that has only one goal. To use the gooferment licensing system to get foreign Porcs legally into NH. I assume there would be an undoing of the marriage (divorce) at the legally appropriate time.
Terminating a marriage is wrong, and we should not be encouraging it.
Are you saying that these government-sanctioned marriages aren't really marriages at all? Are you saying they are false marriages? If that is the case, then if it's a false marriage, then I have no problem with people marrying on impulse then terminating it the next day.
But, I am curious as to why you question the legitimacy of government-sanctioned marriages. Last time I checked, lots of people treat marriages carried out by judges as the real thing.

EDIT: Perhaps I should mention that I am a "Browne" libertarian, believing that government should be reduced to just protecting people from violence, so there's no doubt in my mind as to whether government and marriage should be completely separate.
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Re: Marry A Foreigner For Freedom!
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2006, 09:19:11 pm »

Far as I can see marriage is a piece of paper you and someone else buy from the government.

Legally binding commitment I can live without. I can stay committed to one person for my entire life without a legally binding commitment.

Rejecting the existence of god I could not care less about offending the name of god, rejecting traditionalism I could not care less about peverting a millennia-old tradition, and being a libertarian, I see no reason why not to use a stupid government-perverted millenia-old tradition which is nothing like that which was dictated by god, as an excuse to help people in other countries escape socialism.

It's easy for me, it helps them immensely, it helps the FSP, everybody wins!

I have yet to see a good reason not to do it.
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Re: Marry A Foreigner For Freedom!
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2006, 09:26:31 pm »

I don't see why divorcing them has to be a mandatory part of the deal ...
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Re: Marry A Foreigner For Freedom!
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2006, 09:32:16 pm »

As Mike said in his first post #! above: "As most of us do not regard the governments right to regulate marriage as having any kind of legitimacy, this can be another tool to use their own system against them while boosting our numbers."

This has nothing to do with a lifelong committment or a 'real' marriage. It's an interesting proposition that has only one goal. To use the gooferment licensing system to get foreign Porcs legally into NH. I assume there would be an undoing of the marriage (divorce) at the legally appropriate time.
Terminating a marriage is wrong, and we should not be encouraging it.
Are you saying that these government-sanctioned marriages aren't really marriages at all? Are you saying they are false marriages? If that is the case, then if it's a false marriage, then I have no problem with people marrying on impulse then terminating it the next day.
But, I am curious as to why you question the legitimacy of government-sanctioned marriages. Last time I checked, lots of people treat marriages carried out by judges as the real thing.

EDIT: Perhaps I should mention that I am a "Browne" libertarian, believing that government should be reduced to just protecting people from violence, so there's no doubt in my mind as to whether government and marriage should be completely separate.

Marriage is a contract (formal or informal) between two consenting adults.  Most couples choose to acquire the government's sanction, but that isn't what legitimizes the marriage.  Some religious types would argue that marriage is only legitimate if there's an appropriate ceremony, but still, marriage is a contract between two consenting adults who want to be joined together in a domestic partnership.

In the case of a free stater marrying a foreign free stater, the only contract between the "partners" would be to agree that the marriage was a pretend marriage designed to fool the government into granting a person citizenship.

Don't get me wrong; I think this is a profoundly stupid idea.
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