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Re:Litmus tests for Liberty - state rankings, fireworks, guns, etc.
« Reply #45 on: February 19, 2003, 07:47:46 pm »

These statutes sure are a bore to read through.  I'll do liquor laws if someone else wants to do gambling & obscenity.
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« Reply #46 on: February 19, 2003, 09:03:40 pm »

 In Alaska, "social gambling" is legal as well, though the only other kind of gambling that is legal is that undertaken by charitable non-profit organizations (and local communities have the right to ban charitable gambling).  It looks as if Montana may be the only candidate state with legal for-profit gambling...

So far what I've found on liquor laws has been interesting.  Maine, New Hampshire, Idaho, and Vermont have state-run liquor stores (some of the others may as well, but I haven't gotten to them).  Delaware has a state law banning liquor sales on Sundays (except in restaurants & bars).  Maine, Delaware, South Dakota, and Vermont ban all direct delivery of wine from out of state: in other words, if you order from wine.com, you could go to jail in these states.  Idaho is the only candidate state that does not discriminate in some way against out-of-state wine sellers.  Montana requires the buyer to obtain a license from the state, which is effectively a ban on all but the most committed connoisseurs.
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Re:Litmus tests for Liberty - state rankings, fireworks, guns, etc.
« Reply #47 on: February 19, 2003, 10:17:13 pm »

It looks as if there's limited for-profit gambling in Delaware as well: slot machines at horse-racing tracks only.
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Re:Litmus tests for Liberty - state rankings, fireworks, guns, etc.
« Reply #48 on: February 19, 2003, 11:14:06 pm »

I'm not a gambling sort of guy, but if anyone wants to take a shot at quantifying this mess I'll include it in the big spreadsheet. Looks awful hard to do, though.

My personal take on gambling is that it is no big deal. Government encroachment on freedom does not come via gambling very much. Everybody seems to be a scofflaw on it, and nobody goes to jail about it (maybe I'm wrong?). I doubt it has any where the negative impact of drug laws. It's probably a lot like fireworks in that respect, worth not even .5% weight in the spreadsheet. My advice: let's spend our time somewhere else.
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Re:Litmus tests for Liberty - state rankings, fireworks, guns, etc.
« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2003, 12:21:56 am »

SD allows gambling.  SD has casinos all over the state and a casino resort center in the Black Hills (about 30 miles east of Wyoming).  

Here is more information on all of SD's casinos and the Black Hills Casino Resort Center:

http://www.sdcasinos.com/
http://www.deadwoodgambling.com/

MT has '20 machine' casinos all over the states.  

CO is not one of the states but it does border WY and it has a state lottery which many people from WY use.  Cheyenne is just 10 miles (Orchard Valley is just 5 miles) from the CO border.

Note:  All 3 of these states border WY.  Wyoming allows you to play cards in your own house.  
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Re:Litmus tests for Liberty - state rankings, fireworks, guns, etc.
« Reply #50 on: February 20, 2003, 08:24:02 am »

 Wyoming allows you to play cards in your own house.  


That's a neat trick. Then you only lose money to your own spouse and kids. Or do you phone or e-mail your buddies playing in their own homes and try to convince them that you have better cards?
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Re:Indicator tests for Liberty - state rankings, fireworks, guns, etc.
« Reply #51 on: March 28, 2003, 08:26:15 pm »

National Organization fot the Reform of Marijuana Laws

US totals (by arrest rate)

http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5070&wtm_format=wide

State-by State
Marijuana Arrests 1995 - 1997 (by arrest rate)
Rank among 50 states
AK #1  +19.47%
WY #16 +34.25%
ME #23 +19.10%
ID #26 - 9.26%
SD #31 - 6.72%
DE #38 +41.87%
MT #43 info unavailable
NH #46 info unavailable
VT #47 info unavailable, report mentioned that some data for VT had to be estimated.
ND #49 +57.89%






Prison populations
http://www.cji-inc.com/cyb/download/00AD1-2.PDF

AK 4044
DE 6101
ID 4608
ME 1653
MT 2954
NH 2329
ND  957
SD 2502
VT 2325
WY 1689
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Re:Indicator tests for Liberty - state rankings, fireworks, guns, etc.
« Reply #52 on: March 28, 2003, 10:14:32 pm »



. . . The more that this can be privatized (or decreased or done at a local level), perhaps the better since it is at least a start. But some private facilities do have major problems because cost cutting is priority one. Some just “warehouse” prisoners.



I'd like to know to what extent prisons in each of our states participate in torture, "diesel treatment", inter-prison transfers, holding of political-prisoners, etc.

Speaking of political prisoners, we all have a lot to be thankful for George Hansen, Republican Congressman from Idaho and his work trying to put the IRS in its place.


Some other 'celebrity' political prisoners include:

Leonard Peltier

James Traficant, Democratic Congressman from Ohio
 
Dr Mazen al-Najjar

James Sanders
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Re:Indicator tests for Liberty - state rankings, fireworks, guns, etc.
« Reply #53 on: March 28, 2003, 11:32:24 pm »

Percent in Private Facilities (Table 3)
33.5%   Alaska
23.9%   Idaho
21.3%   Wyoming
05.1%   North Dakota

It's interesting to see that three states that consistently score best among our candidates are also leaders in something like prison privatization.  This possibly means that they may be more open to other forms of privatization as well.

And notice how sharply that number drops off after Wyoming!

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Re:Indicator tests for Liberty - state rankings, fireworks, guns, etc.
« Reply #54 on: March 29, 2003, 01:15:57 am »

I'm not sure how useful this prison population and prison admission stuff is for us. After all, some people deserve to be in jail. They aren't all political prisoners!

I already have marijuana arrests in the big spreadsheet.

That article about Hansen was damn scary. Well probably see more of that sort of thing with all the hysteria and bad laws lately.
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Re:Indicator tests for Liberty - state rankings, fireworks, guns, etc.
« Reply #55 on: March 30, 2003, 04:27:56 am »

I'm not sure how useful this prison population and prison admission stuff is for us. After all, some people deserve to be in jail. They aren't all political prisoners!

The privatization issue is what jumped out at me from this information.  That's definitely something we could use as being reflective of a state's possible willingness to embrace de-regulation and libertarian reform.

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Re:Indicator tests for Liberty - state rankings, fireworks, guns, etc.
« Reply #56 on: March 31, 2003, 07:57:20 am »


The privatization issue is what jumped out at me from this information.  That's definitely something we could use as being reflective of a state's possible willingness to embrace de-regulation and libertarian reform.
Well, yes and no.  Necessity can also be a strong impetus for reform.  I am particularly concerned about Alaska:

#1 Marijuana arrests in the country

Highest prison population per capita, by far and above, among our candidate states

By far the highest per-capita prison admissions far more than next-place Delaware

Cheers to Idaho and Wyoming for trying to save money through warehousing prisoners in private facilities, but for Alaska, just by looking at the numbers, I think Alaska may have had no choice.
 
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« Reply #57 on: April 01, 2003, 02:40:07 am »


The privatization issue is what jumped out at me from this information.  That's definitely something we could use as being reflective of a state's possible willingness to embrace de-regulation and libertarian reform.
Well, yes and no.  Necessity can also be a strong impetus for reform.  I am particularly concerned about Alaska:

You do have a point about that.  Although I would also hope that being forced to adopt some sort of privatization as a result of hardship might tend to open people's minds a bit more when it comes to the issue of whether the state can or should cast its shadow over everything.

And those numbers in Alaska really surprised me as well.

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« Reply #58 on: April 07, 2003, 12:52:31 pm »

From the Associated Press,
Prison populations listed state by state
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Also an interesting Press Release from the Bureau of Justice Statistics,
NATION’S PRISON AND JAIL POPULATION EXCEEDS 2 MILLION INMATES FOR FIRST TIME


I'm not sure how useful this prison population and prison admission stuff is for us. After all, some people deserve to be in jail. They aren't all political prisoners!


Are bad laws to blame for high prison populations or is bad behavior to blame for bad laws?  Maybe it is a little of both.

The size of prison populations is just one piece of the puzzle, arrest rates are probably more telling.   Anyways, many questions to be asked in all of this.  But however it is calculated, It seems that a society with less real crime is also a society that is more self-governing and more prepared to accept greater freedom.  Of course, it can also be argued that a government that is particularly oppressive and is 'creating' lots criminals is also ripe for revolution.  Though it doesn't look like any of our states is anywhere near that point yet.
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Re:Indicator tests for Liberty - state rankings, fireworks, guns, etc.
« Reply #59 on: April 07, 2003, 02:01:19 pm »

Below is a table of statewide adoption of construction codes. The source site is the publisher of these codes (which the adopters then must buy from the publisher). Nevertheless, it is best to check the specific state statutes. For states that give local control it is best to check city, town, or county ordinances.

International Codes - Adoption by Jurisdiction - Revised on 03/27/03
A= Adopted, but may not yet be effective
X= Effective Statewide
L = Adopted by Local Governments

STATEIBCICCECIECCIFCIFGCIMCIPCIPMCIRCIPSDCIZC
VTLLLLLLLLLL
MELLLLLLLLLLL
DELLLXLL
SDX*LLLLL
WYXLLLLLL
MTXX
NDXLXXLX
NHXXLLXXL
AKXXLXLL
IDXXXXXXX
* South Dakota Municipalities may adopt either 1997 UBC or 2000 IBC
Wyoming effective 07/01/2003
Notes: Abbreviations stand for the International Building Code (IBC), ICC Electrical Code (ICCEC), International Energy Conservation Code (IECC), International Fire Code (IFC), International Property Maintenance Code (IPMC), International Fuel Gas Code (IFGC), International Mechanical Code (IMC), International Plumbing Code (IPC), International Code (IPMC), International Residential Code (IRC), International Private Sewage Disposal Code (IPSDC), International Zoning Code (IZC)
Source:
http://www.iccsafe.org/government/adoptions.htm

P.S. for a numerical ranking from 0 to 10
10   VT
10   ME
9   DE
6   SD
6   WY
4   MT
2   ND
2   NH
2   AK
0   ID
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