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Tony Stelik

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Question About Wyoming
« on: July 22, 2003, 01:03:59 pm »

I am a little confused. I wanted to see what Wyoming Libertarian party thinks about Free State Project and also I wanted confirm the alleged statement of Wyoming Libertarian  Party Chair, that Wyoming is not the place for FSP in his opinion, because people there, are less open minded than many can think.
Unfortunately there is nothing about FSP, not even link to FSP page. Can anyone explain this to me?
Are Libertarians in WY completely not interested in FSP?
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Re:The State Question at a Glance
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2003, 10:26:50 am »

Ok I have the answer. Thank you EMOR!
http://www.wyomingnetwork.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=303
Well, I see I did not know about west anything.
Prospect interesting. 20K Porcupines coming to fight collectivism will be meet with the guns and will be asked to leave. Wonderful freedom loving people of WY see the way of securing their freedom as sitting in their 2K acres backyards in the bunker with the anti aircraft guns. Very successful strategy of freedom fighting.
I met some group of people in NH, who do not believe in political action. They do not believe in voting or taking public offices. Steel they had kicked mer of Nashua out of office and were they more open to take the office the change would be permanent. Since they believed differently, the kicked out mer was reelected back. Yes, right. The way to protect freedoms in inaction.
FSP has great future success in WY. Right after porcupines will be accepted by the locals, which will not take long –maybe 20 years. Than we will be able to do something in the life time. Hope the Patriot Act II will not be constituted by that time, because if it would be, by the whim of a bureaucrat we will be picked up one by one and nobody will ever know what happened to us.
I asked in another forum why WYOLP.org is not giving any information about FSP. Not even link to freestateproject.org. Now I know. THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED. For them it is GARBAGE.
Screw them. Of course I will move to WY if chosen and I will work with my neighbors. I know how to talk to hard noses, and I know what kind of anti aircraft gun on my backyard could impress wonderful neighbors in there. Just hope it (the gun) will not be banned by the time.
What is more important to me (than total horses-asshole-ness of WY wonderful people), is that “westerners” do not see anything wrong with the picture. Assuming there will be 50% of porcupines of “western” denomination, we could count only for 10K members ready for action. If my suspicion is correct FSP will have the problem.
I agree with the description of those of east as “Revolutionists” vs. those of the west as “rugged individualists”.
But I do not see how rugged-individualism will oppose socialist and collectivists. It takes the pack to fight the pack. It takes politicks to fight politicks and it takes the rifle to fight the rifle.
It seams to me the west has different opinion on fighting: “It takes the rifle in the backyard bunker to fight anything.” Well maybe it is good strategy to fight the grisly bear, but nothing particular else.
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Re:The State Question at a Glance
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2003, 10:31:26 am »

Tony, James, and all

I believe this discussion thread was intended for a neutral index of links to other state question discussion threads.

Please move your posts elsewhere.
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Re:The State Question at a Glance
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2003, 10:42:08 am »

Tony, James, and all

I believe this discussion thread was intended for a neutral index of links to other state question discussion threads.

Please move your posts elsewhere.
OK. How to move the thread?
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Re:Question About Wyoming
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2003, 10:47:29 am »

Done.
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Re:Question About Wyoming
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2003, 06:44:59 pm »

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Porcupines coming to fight collectivism will be meet with the guns and will be asked to leave.
This idea is like a bad fishing story! Does anyone ever both to find out where it comes from before posting it allover the place? Yeesh.

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?action=display;board=5;threadid=1539;start=0#msg21221

It's like this. Bruce Foreman (username Wyorancher; a Wyoming resident and not an FSP member) came on here and said that he liked our ideas, thought we could have a lot of success in Wyoming, and cautioned us not act like arrogant invaders. Zack "Are you threatening me??" Bass got into the discussion, acted like an arrogant jerk of an invader, and got things heated up. Bass then took the oft-seen bit of quote and kept shouting about how it means that Wyoming hates us and everyone there wants to shoot FSP members.

It is nonsense. Look through Mr Foreman's several posts, and just TRY to say that he or Wyoming are anti-FSP. I dare ya.

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« Last Edit: July 23, 2003, 07:34:14 pm by Ceol Mhor »
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Re:Question About Wyoming
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2003, 06:50:46 pm »

Zack is definitely an agitator, that much I'll give you!
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Re:The State Question at a Glance
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2003, 07:45:05 pm »

Ok I have the answer. Thank you EMOR!
http://www.wyomingnetwork.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=303
Well, I see I did not know about west anything.
Prospect interesting. 20K Porcupines coming to fight collectivism will be meet with the guns and will be asked to leave. Wonderful freedom loving people of WY see the way of securing their freedom as sitting in their 2K acres backyards in the bunker with the anti aircraft guns. Very successful strategy of freedom fighting.
I met some group of people in NH, who do not believe in political action. They do not believe in voting or taking public offices. Steel they had kicked mer of Nashua out of office and were they more open to take the office the change would be permanent. Since they believed differently, the kicked out mer was reelected back. Yes, right. The way to protect freedoms in inaction.
FSP has great future success in WY. Right after porcupines will be accepted by the locals, which will not take long ?maybe 20 years. Than we will be able to do something in the life time. Hope the Patriot Act II will not be constituted by that time, because if it would be, by the whim of a bureaucrat we will be picked up one by one and nobody will ever know what happened to us.
I asked in another forum why WYOLP.org is not giving any information about FSP. Not even link to freestateproject.org. Now I know. THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED. For them it is GARBAGE.
Screw them. Of course I will move to WY if chosen and I will work with my neighbors. I know how to talk to hard noses, and I know what kind of anti aircraft gun on my backyard could impress wonderful neighbors in there. Just hope it (the gun) will not be banned by the time.
What is more important to me (than total horses-asshole-ness of WY wonderful people), is that ?westerners? do not see anything wrong with the picture. Assuming there will be 50% of porcupines of ?western? denomination, we could count only for 10K members ready for action. If my suspicion is correct FSP will have the problem.
I agree with the description of those of east as ?Revolutionists? vs. those of the west as ?rugged individualists?.
But I do not see how rugged-individualism will oppose socialist and collectivists. It takes the pack to fight the pack. It takes politicks to fight politicks and it takes the rifle to fight the rifle.
It seams to me the west has different opinion on fighting: ?It takes the rifle in the backyard bunker to fight anything.? Well maybe it is good strategy to fight the grisly bear, but nothing particular else.

How does this answer your questions? They are not LP members. I think you started this thread as just a way to bash Wyoming. Come on admit it.  ;)
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Re:Question About Wyoming
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2003, 08:02:13 pm »

I am a little confused. I wanted to see what Wyoming Libertarian party thinks about Free State Project and also I wanted confirm the alleged statement of Wyoming Libertarian  Party Chair, that Wyoming is not the place for FSP in his opinion, because people there, are less open minded than many can think.
Unfortunately there is nothing about FSP, not even link to FSP page. Can anyone explain this to me?
Are Libertarians in WY completely not interested in FSP?

Charles Curley, who is either an FSP member or Friend (I'm not sure which), maintains the WYLP site.  E-mail him and ask him about the link.

As for the quote about Wyoming not being "independent enough" for the FSP, that quote came from Dave Dawson, former candidate for governor and US Senator in Wyoming.  The article this quote appeared in, and subsequent discussion of it, can be found here:

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=1655
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