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Russell Kanning

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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #225 on: October 26, 2005, 05:33:39 am »

I don't mind porcupines running for office or working for incremental change. I am just not impressed. ;D
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #226 on: October 26, 2005, 05:38:00 am »

I agree with this guy:

"Those who profess to favor freedom, yet deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightening. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." – Frederick Douglass

I am just afraid to stand up to the beast myself most of the time. :-[
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #227 on: October 26, 2005, 05:42:33 am »

Your 'off the hip' drivel rhetoric is becoming as sad bad as Russell's,  Seth.
NHFree is more anarchic in general, but the _rest_ of NH doesn't know the difference... they think it's the "Free Staters", and lump it all together...  And the anarchs wonder why they are getting disowned?

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"One of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the great struggle for independence."

Watch out Sandy ..... you were quoting Franklin earlier. :D
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #228 on: October 26, 2005, 05:58:29 am »

To me the free state project is radical. Our country needs radical change and I have loved sharing the struggle with all my new friends in NH whether previous residents or new arrivals. Moving across the county is a big deal for people and standing up to the government is even more so. I assumed that anyone willing to uproot their lives and move was ready to tackle the world and I have rarely been disappointed.

I am looking forward to all the rest of the freedom fighters that will move to NH over the coming years. I don't want the stick-in-the-muds to slow down this revolutionary movement, but I can't pull you along. Please join the wild-eyed radicals who "demand" change like Douglass said. It will be a risky struggle, but it is the right course of action. :)
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #229 on: October 26, 2005, 06:06:19 am »

KB wrote:

<<Gee, what's wrong with, "While the FSP doesn't endorse any particular cause or action, we cheer freedom-loving activists who choose to get involved and make a difference in their communities.">>

Right, and what's wrong with posting links to the front page news coverage that free staters inside NH are generating?

There was a front page article about us in the Concord Monitor last month, why is that not listed on the FSP website?

If the webmaster doesn't have time to do that, no problem.  Just post a permanent link to NHfree.com near the top of the FSP index page.   Russell and Kat will take care of the rest.
Tom (the webmaster) has been posting ALL news containing references to the FSP in Newswire:
http://www.freestateproject.org/news/newswire/
I count three articles in the Concord Monitor--is yours one of them? Tom has probably been the single most reliable and responsive contributor to the FSP since its inception, and probably deserves a word of thanks.

Again, I don't see where you are being blocked.  You certainly haven't contacted me about putting anything up on the web site.  But is that really the only or even the best way to improve our recruiting numbers?  The FSP should be a self-organizing system, facilitated by infrastructure, with all the participants associating freely and contributing according to their abilities and desires.  This is *NOT* a top-down hierarchy in any but the most minimal of ways.  As of now, the budget is controlled centrally, but the new web infrastructure that we are developing will allow project-specific donations.  You'll be free to start your own project and get it financed directly, bypassing any budget decisions.
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #230 on: October 26, 2005, 07:12:44 am »

You mentioned earlier in the thread how you were seen as a radical before moving to NH, and now you're considered middle of the road.
Actually, I think you were radical before seeking public office

Have you ever met me?  No.
Have you ever heard me speak about my beliefs?  No.
At PorcFest, the best comment was someone expected me to look like Gandalf.  Don't confuse my internet persona with my in person persona.

I moved from a heavily leftist state (Oregon) where being libertarian at all was 'radical', because the mainstream view is left toward socialist.   Here in NH, I'm far more moderate, because the mix here is a lot closer to my views... In other words, I didn't change, the landscape did.

Don't confused having ideals with being radical or moderate.  I can test on the Nolan chart as strongly Libertarian, and still understand that political change and political reality means taking baby steps and accepting a slice instead of a loaf.

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and now you're afraid of being "tainted" by any association --even a passing aquaintance-- with the more radical elements of the freedom movement.

Nope, far from it... See http://www.nhinsider.squarespace.com/chaz-proulx/2005/6/29/the-dark-side-of-the-free-state-project.html#comments
for one recent example (and there are others) where I've defended them and acknowledged them.

Of course, they've mostly continued to shit on me, but that's beside the point here.

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But more than that, I hope you will stop being so sensitive, and stop worrying that you'll be accused of having FSP Disease.

Kevin, when you move here and you run for office, and I hope you will.... perhaps you will understand.  Till then, you just don't have the perspective.  It's not a worry when it's happening to you already.

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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #231 on: October 26, 2005, 07:17:47 am »

Don't believe it...  I've already see it happen, and had to deal with it.  Your belief doesn't match my reality.

details?

I'd be glad to discuss it in person, in private.  I'm not going into it on a forum or email at this time.

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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #232 on: October 26, 2005, 07:31:53 am »

and heck I can even tolerate the Seth Lord himself!   As long as we don't let it get too personal, we will benefit from fighting!

Between these sort of  comments which NHFree's forum thrives on, and Dada's general inability to distinguish good press from bad, I rest my case about the radical fringe's becoming more and more of a problem and not part of the solution.

Dada, please remove my phone number from your cellphone.  I can't tolerate Mr Dave Ridley, media god in his own mind.


Amen brother!

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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #233 on: October 26, 2005, 07:45:06 am »

Steve wrote:

<< Tom (the webmaster) has been posting ALL news containing references to the FSP in Newswire:
http://www.freestateproject.org/news/newswire/ >>

OK good, thanks...I was looking at "Media Coverage:" from
http://www.freestateproject.org/news/media_archive/

Don't see why we have such separated media pages but I withdraw my other complaint regarding media pages and apologize for the error.
Are you giving Tom complete latitude to add stuff or does he have to request permission? 



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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #234 on: October 26, 2005, 08:10:41 am »

Don't believe it...  I've already see it happen, and had to deal with it.  Your belief doesn't match my reality.

details?

I'd be glad to discuss it in person, in private.  I'm not going into it on a forum or email at this time.

Again, exactly the response I expected.
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #235 on: October 26, 2005, 08:42:26 am »

Don't see why we have such separated media pages
We get gazillions of media mentions, sometimes of questionable value. For example, articles about ChristianExodus typically mention its FSP origins, but only tangentially.  Sometimes articles are highly negative.  Sometimes there are many variations of an article (e.g. of an AP release), all available from Google News for 30 days.  Tom got tired of the good-article/bad-article debate, and proposed the Newswire section for ALL articles referencing the FSP, regardless of people's opinions.

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Are you giving Tom complete latitude to add stuff or does he have to request permission?
Under the current system, which we hope to replace soon (especially if we could get some more web help), everything goes through Tom, who has wide latitude and knows who is responsible for what pages.  For example, I screen all essays, and merchandise items go through Phil.  Under the coming system, I expect the web site to be structured to correspond directly to the org chart departments, and each department head will be *responsible* for maintaining his areas, e.g.:
Activist Center (Volunteer Coordinator), http://www.freestateproject.org/getinvolved/activistcenter.php
Press Center (Media Representative), http://www.freestateproject.org/about/for_the_press.php
Merchandise Center (Merchandise Coordinator), http://www.freestateproject.org/store
Photo Gallery (Photo Librarian), http://photos.freestateproject.org

One of our problems has been the failure of department heads to take ownership of their parts of the site, but that is partly a result of the site not being structured to facilitate that.  You will soon see some dramatic changes.
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #236 on: October 26, 2005, 08:48:31 am »

" Tom got tired of the good-article/bad-article debate, and proposed the Newswire section for ALL articles referencing the FSP, regardless of people's opinions."

So are all the mentions of Lauren on the fsp site now? Tom didn't want to put them up for me at the time.
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #237 on: October 26, 2005, 09:00:36 am »

Thanks for your honesty, Kate, in letting me know that you find my thoughts "laughable" and myself a "cranky blowhard".  Guess we won't be spending a lot of time working together for freedom in New Hampshire. 

Friday, I wasn't talking about you at all.  Your letter, while not what I might have written myself, had little in it that troubled me.  It was the later "discussion" attacking people personally that pissed me off.  I'm sorry if that wasn't clear.
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #238 on: October 26, 2005, 09:39:42 am »

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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #239 on: October 26, 2005, 09:41:35 am »

Again, exactly the response I expected.

See the answer here: http://forum.freestateproject.org//index.php?topic=11037.msg148440#msg148440

Stop expecting me to answer you in public. It won't happen, because I know who else reads the forums.
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