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Steve

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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #90 on: October 24, 2005, 03:16:52 pm »

Hey, that's pretty cool.  Are you going to do pages for Russel Kanning's no ID civil dis?  Also, Michael Banarik's try to get into the debates?
Thanks. Russell is already on the CD page. Badnarik...that was great stuff,  but is it CD or something else, namely Ballot Access?  I put to much time into this already, but I wanted to create a couple of examples.  I think if someone else were to create a Ballot Access issue page, we'd put it up. 
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #91 on: October 24, 2005, 03:25:22 pm »

Hey, that's pretty cool.  Are you going to do pages for Russel Kanning's no ID civil dis?  Also, Michael Banarik's try to get into the debates?
Thanks. Russell is already on the CD page. Badnarik...that was great stuff,  but is it CD or something else, namely Ballot Access?  I put to much time into this already, but I wanted to create a couple of examples.  I think if someone else were to create a Ballot Access issue page, we'd put it up. 

Badnarik was CD.  He said what he was going to do ahead of time.  He did press releases and did a march about it.  He did not fight back.  He went to jail.  The local media reported it and the national indy media reported it. 
See here for lots of good stuff, http://badnarik.org/supporters/blog/2004/10/08/michael-badnarik-arrested/
It has a cartoon, all of the info, and tons of photos.

Also, there is this,
http://underground.soulawakenings.com/tiki-index.php?page=Lauren+Canario+Arrest
and
http://underground.soulawakenings.com/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=42

Lauren Canario did great things and I think she would go better under the Kelo Case than CD but she would fit under either
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #92 on: October 24, 2005, 03:33:30 pm »

I put quite a lot of time into them.  Rather than disavowing controversial activists, I linked to them.  As both a director and the VP of Publicity, I think I am more able than most to speak officially for the FSP. ;)
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #93 on: October 24, 2005, 03:36:54 pm »

I'd just like to publicly say thank you to the self-proclaimed "biggest detractor" of me and FTL for emailing me personally.  We're currently ironing things out.

As I said on another thread, I hold no grudges.  All I ask for is open communication, and my posting here resulted in exactly what I wanted to happen.

Thank you!   ;D
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #94 on: October 24, 2005, 03:39:41 pm »

Who said these forums don't have a purpose? ;D ;D

BTW-- now we can all guess who it is.
I have my guess. :-X
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #95 on: October 24, 2005, 03:43:21 pm »

I thought this forum was for discussing georgism, anarcho-geo-socialism and calling for the resignation of leadership.
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #96 on: October 24, 2005, 03:45:51 pm »

I thought this forum was for discussing georgism, anarcho-geo-socialism and calling for the resignation of leadership.
Green and Greenbacks are no longer welcome here, so you're going to be left with just the 3rd option.  And recruiting if you can get around to it.
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #97 on: October 24, 2005, 03:55:17 pm »

I don't do much recruiting.
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #98 on: October 24, 2005, 04:01:55 pm »

That must be the problem!
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #99 on: October 24, 2005, 04:24:10 pm »

That must be the problem!

I don't think it's easy to recruit people to move to NH if you live in NH ;-)

Besides, that's the the FSP is supposed to be for.
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #100 on: October 24, 2005, 04:33:04 pm »

Instead of distancing FSP from activists, anyone speaking as an Official FSP Spokesperson should respond to press inquiries by saying, "The goal of the project is to get people to move to NH, and work for freedom in whatever way they choose. We (as an organization) don't take positions on issues, because the participants themselves have different opinions about what course to take. My only comment on "xxxx" is to praise their involvement in the process, no matter what I or others may think about their actions."

That doesn't sound unreasonable to me--you might try contacting Amanda directly to discuss it.

I said something almost identical to the reporter, and the reporter quoted only part of what I said out of context. That particular reporter obviously had a personal agenda. (Couldn't you tell that the whole piece was slanted??)

And thanks, Adam, for pointing KBCraig my way. Instead of making unwarranted assumptions about others, it would be helpful if we contacted each other directly about things that are bothering us.
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #101 on: October 24, 2005, 04:56:28 pm »

Jason and others have answered a lot of your issues, so I'm just answering the comments directed at me.

Our spokesperson recently indicated to a newspaper reporter that the FSP has no position on eminent domain. What?!?!? If we can’t even admit that we do have a position on eminent domain (we’re AGAINST it!!!), what the hell do we stand for? What’s the point of joining this organization?  ???

If you had bothered to ask, I would have been happy to clarify. The reporter quoted only part of what I said, and he quoted me out of context. What I said was that while the FSP as an organization has no position on specific political issues, it's safe to say that most of our individual participants strongly oppose eminent domain. The FSP's goal is to move 20,000 libertarians and small-government activists to New Hampshire where we can enhance and expand upon the freedom that already exists in New Hampshire.

Our Director, President and Media Representative, Amanda Phillips, has recently enrolled in Harvard Law School.  It appears very doubtful that she will relocate before finishing her program. And when she does, she will presumably have a mountain of school debt and will need to find as high-paying a job as possible to work on paying it off.  Do you think she’ll be taking her first post-law school job in New Hampshire… or staying where she is in greater Boston?

Again, if you had bothered to ask, I would have been happy to tell you my plans. I'm attending Harvard Law School because the academic credential will be enormously helpful to our movement. While Yale Law School is slightly more prestigious, I didn't apply to Yale because I didn't want to move away from NH. Yale is ranked #1 and Harvard is ranked #2, depending on what year it is. I chose to attend the #2 ranked school, so you see... you're not the only one who has sacrificed for the FSP.

I plan to take the bar in both NH and MA, and unless I obtain a prestigious Supreme Court clerkship (which would delay my move to NH one more year) I will buy a place in NH after graduation. It's completely unwarranted for you to assume, with no basis for your assumption, that I am staying in MA long-term when it just is not true.

Addressing another of your unwarranted assumptions -- I don't have "a mountain of school debt" because Harvard gave me a decent grant. I will still have some student loans, but could you let me worry about my finances? I'm a little shocked that my finances were even brought up on the forum in the first place.

And to address yet another of your unwarranted assumptions -- it's fairly easy to work in Boston and live in NH; it's not that far. Even if I do decide to take a job in Boston, I can easily move to NH. So what's the problem?

I’m not trying to slam Amanda and Jason too much; they have both been extremely dedicated to the FSP concept for years, and have dedicated countless hours of their lives in promoting it. 

Then don't. Offer to help, stay positive, give constructive criticism, make specific suggestions, or go off and work for freedom in NH. We're an organization with limited resources (both financially and human) and like you we are doing the best that we can. I'm sorry that isn't good enough, and that this freedom thing didn't happen yesterday. We all want the same thing. Why can't we work together toward our common goal instead of slamming wach other?
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #102 on: October 24, 2005, 05:19:23 pm »

Hey, that's pretty cool.  Are you going to do pages for Russel Kanning's no ID civil dis?  Also, Michael Banarik's try to get into the debates?
Thanks. Russell is already on the CD page. Badnarik...that was great stuff,  but is it CD or something else, namely Ballot Access?  I put to much time into this already, but I wanted to create a couple of examples.  I think if someone else were to create a Ballot Access issue page, we'd put it up. 

I'm pretty sure it is Civil Disobedience to try to crash a debate you have been dinied access too.
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #103 on: October 24, 2005, 05:22:29 pm »

Come up with ways to increase membership

or


go shit in your hats!
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Re: Seditious Ramblings
« Reply #104 on: October 24, 2005, 05:51:01 pm »

What if one doesn't own a hat?
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