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BrianMcCandliss

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Re: Michael Moore, Libertarian Hero!?!
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2005, 04:19:13 pm »

Milkey also like to lie a lot just like the politicians.... he also does not like guns.

He hates TRUTH, and love cheap, simplistic rationalizations; his cartoon version of American history says it all.
I live near Flint, Michigan, and we all know that it's NOT a very smart place-- think Detroit without the river-border with Canada, infrastructure OR location.

Know the REAL reason the GM plant left Flint? Same as Detroit with the Big 3: the local tax-base figured they had a captive audience of "stupid white men," and so they imposed punitive tax-rates to PUNISH them-- and thus drove a global industrial giant out of town-- AND country. (Seems those "white men" who were hired to manage a trillion-dollar industry, weren't quite as "stupid" as they thought).
 So of course Moore blames the FEDERAL politicians who permitted outsourcing of plants to Mexico-- rather than the local politicians who raised taxes through the roof to try to gouge the evil corporations-- who deserved it, don't you know.

How DARE those stockholders not sit there and watch their holdings taxed away from them?
Moore's either just a bitter communist-hypocrite, looking for "evil capitalists" to blame for the plight of bottom-feeders like himself... or he's a "rebel wthout a clue;" it's such a fine line.

How about a title for his next movie: "stupid, fat, dirty. smelly, sloppy, hairy white men: Roger (Clinton) and Me".
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Re: Michael Moore, Libertarian Hero!?!
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2005, 04:21:06 pm »

Congrats, Brian. That was the best explanation I have read in a long time of the causes of WWII. Now, if you resubmit it with a better explanation of the ABC (American, British, Chinese) blockade of Japan, I'll give you an "A."  ;D

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Re: Michael Moore, Libertarian Hero!?!
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2005, 06:40:05 pm »

But.....But..wern't we attacked by Japan while, innocently sailing around the Pacific? ;D
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Re: Michael Moore, Libertarian Hero!?!
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2005, 12:21:34 am »

Naturally, only our half, Lloyd.........  ;)

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Re: Michael Moore, Libertarian Hero!?!
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2005, 06:53:10 am »

Congrats, Brian. That was the best explanation I have read in a long time of the causes of WWII. Now, if you resubmit it with a better explanation of the ABC (American, British, Chinese) blockade of Japan, I'll give you an "A."  ;D

JM

Actually it was just a cursory explanation, not intended to prove anything.
Here's the source, which is a complete treatment of the topic: http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/pearl.htm
Also if you combine this with Murray Rothbard's Wall Street, Banks, and American Foreign Policy:

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During the 1930s, the Rockefellers pushed hard for war against Japan, which they saw as competing with them vigorously for oil and rubber resources in Southeast Asia and as endangering the Rockefellers' cherished dreams of a mass "China market" for petroleum products....
The Morgans, in contrast, as usual deeply committed to their financial ties with Britain and France, once again plumped early for war with Germany, while their interest in the Far East had become minimal. Indeed, U.S. Ambassador to Japan, Joseph C. Grew, former Morgan partner, was one of the few officials in the Roosevelt Administration genuinely interested in peace with Japan.
World War II might therefore be considered, from one point of view, as a coalition war: the Morgans got their war in Europe, the Rockefellers theirs in Asia.

Then you get a clearer money-trail to why the US got into WWII:
From a pure profit-perspective, there was absolutely no reason for ANYONE to mess with the United States: 150 million armed citizens, vast land-base and natral resources, protected by thousands of miles of oceans, and the greatest wealth on Earth-- as well as proven to be capable of war in WWI.

However, war is truly "the damnation of reason," and so all questions go out the window once the bullets start flying-- and history is written by the victors afterward. So the warmongers saw such a powderkeg, and FDR simply lit the fuse for them-- and instantly the Japanese and Germans became "evil invaders" simply because there was no visible reason for them to attack (aside from our supplying Germany's enemies, on credit-- but of course the Brits are automatically the good guys, and 1776 was just a fluke).

Meanwhile the fact that both the German and Japanese factions were created by the Great Depression, was never linked to the Federal Reserve System; rather, the Depression simply was a failure of capitalism in the media's eyes; and if the Fed hadn't been established in 1913, they reasoned, then the Bank Crash 14 years later would have been FAR worse-- so they revised history to claim that it arrived almost in time to save the US economy, and that the US would have been completely destroyed if it wasn't for the Federal Reserve, Income Tax and WWI (thank you Wilson)-- as well as the New Deal and WWII (thank you FDR!)

Naturally, FDR's bevy of hand-picked media lapdogs weren't about to dig into his overseas business-- if you've ever seen one of the old "Newsreel" films lionizing him, you'd understand how he could literally do no wrong in their eyes-- even after it turned out he was flat-out lying about his disabilities while on the campaign-trail, he just became "courageous" rather than crippled and unfit to lead the country (to which pseudo-intellectual lefties like Charlie Rose and Bill Maher LITERALLY say in praising such, "it's too bad that American voters aren't sophistocated enough to make the right choices, and so the truth has to be covered up like that." LITERALLY!).

Finally, the use of Nuremberg as a  post-WWII substantiation of American virtue against German evil is exposed here, in this review of the book "Woe to the Vanquished:"

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As Germany's defeat became more obvious, the Allied leaders began discussing more specifically how to deal with the vanquished nation and its leadership. President Roosevelt, Prime Minister Churchill and Premier Stalin readily agreed that many prominent German leaders would be put to death, and that Germany itself would be so crippled industrially that it would never again be a major European economic and military power. "We have got to be tough with Germany," said President Roosevelt, "and I mean the German people, not just the Nazis. You either have to castrate the German people or you have got to treat them in such a manner so they can't go on reproducing people who want to continue the way they have in the past."

Because the Allies had already publicly branded the German leaders as criminals, the discussions focused on whether they should be executed straight-away or after a public trial of some sort.


And now to maintain this ill-gotten power-base, the phony conservatives have to keep the myth going about how the war was justified. Pundits like Sean Hannity harp about how "we should have gotten into WWII sooner, while the Great Myth is played to the fullest.



Only Pat Buchanan has the grit to forward the claim, that the US had no interest in joining WWII, and that FDR manufactured it; however shameless hypocrites will still have the impudence claim that it was a good thing that he DID.

 
Of course this all goes back to the very thing that originally empowered the federal government to abuse such vast authority in this manner: The Civil War; without such a suppressive coup, the states would hardly have allowed their citizens to be conscripted for such foreign squabbles as WWI, or the formation of a central bank; rather, simple economic and political balances would have ensured a stable situation at home, while destructive forces abroad would have likewise stabilized matters much faster than the escalations which took place under centralized government.



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Re: Michael Moore, Libertarian Hero!?!
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2005, 01:43:00 pm »

You make it sound like we forced Japan at gunpoint to attack us....
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Re: Michael Moore, Libertarian Hero!?!
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2005, 03:47:20 pm »

You make it sound like we forced Japan at gunpoint to attack us....
Mike,

Well maybe....  But seriously, while it is true that Japan DID initate the attack on Pearl Harbor, there is a good deal of evidence supporting the claim that the FDR adminitration was aware that the Japanese planned to attack and was in a position to prepare for it, but sat on the intelligence because it wanted to go to war but there wouldn't be public support for the war unless there was an attack on American soil.
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Re: Michael Moore, Libertarian Hero!?!
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2005, 04:48:02 pm »

You make it sound like we forced Japan at gunpoint to attack us....

I thought we attacked Japan first?
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