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Re: Libertarian Guests & Friends, read this...
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2005, 04:29:22 pm »

Tim is a member of Free Talk Live's AMP program.  Definitely not a loser.  He understands that by supporting Free Talk Live, he's helping recruit members for the FSP.
Yes, let's hear it for donating to Ian's business!  :P

You're being a little silly, but yeah, let's hear it for Tim and the other FSP members that have stepped up to the plate with as little as $3 a month to help AMP Free Talk Live.

Fact is, we're the top recruiter for the FSP right now.  Over 10% of recruits in July, and over 13% in August.

All of that with a handful of radio stations.  Imagine what our recruiting results would be like with 50 stations or a couple of hundred.  AMP can help make it possible sooner rather than later:  http://amp.freetalklive.com

I agree.  FTL is doing more to recruit FSP members than anything else we have ever done.  Heck, it is just amazing.  I am more proud to give my $10 per month to FTL than any money I have ever given to any pro-liberty cause.  Why?  Because it is more effective.  The money does more than it would anywhere else.

The FTL BSS is amazing.  Members post 5-10 news stories about how the government destroys our lives everyday.  And sure enough, every week or so, another FTL BBS member says that they have joined the FSP. 
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Denis Goddard

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Re: Libertarian Guests & Friends, read this...
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2005, 10:27:46 am »

FTL is doing more to recruit FSP members than anything else we have ever done.
Yep. And that's in no small part due to Ian's constant, shameless self-promotion.
Not what I'd want to hear at a dinner party, but it does get the word out.

The FTL BBS is amazing.
Erm.... to be frank, I'd call it a high noise-to-signal wasteland with rather too much gutter in the discourse.

All that said, I do listen to the show quite frequently, I (usually) like the show and they are getting us lots of publicity and new members.

So, hooray for Capitalism!

-Denis
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Re: Libertarian Guests & Friends, read this...
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2005, 10:44:02 am »

FTL is doing more to recruit FSP members than anything else we have ever done.
Yep. And that's in no small part due to Ian's constant, shameless self-promotion.
Not what I'd want to hear at a dinner party, but it does get the word out.

No worries, I rarely have time for going out to dinner.  I'm too busy shamelessly self promoting.

Now, if only I could get the FSP leadership to encourage the membership to call their local stations.  Unfortunately, I get the impression from multiple sources that either me or my show is not universally liked by the FSP leadership, so I'll just have to be happy with the sponsorship.  (And I do appreciate it.)  I just wish that people that have issues with me would talk to me about them instead of keeping them to themselves.  That doesn't help anything.

To my detractors:  I'm not going away, and I don't hold grudges.  If you have something to say, please email me, and I'll be happy to discuss whatever it is that you have a problem with.

Thanks!
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Re: Libertarian Guests & Friends, read this...
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2005, 10:53:14 am »

a long essay totally hostile to libertarians who haven't yet joined the FSP. I'm sure they'll be signing up in droves now.
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FYI, I think it's a TERRIBLE strategy attempting to shame and/or guilt-trip a group of people into signing up.

Friday, I've met you in person, and you're quite simply an amazingly nice person.
Easy to get along with, considerate... qualities that are seriously lacking in too many libertarian-types.
Especially when we so desperately need people to be getting elected into political office!

So, please understand it's with the above in mind, when I say:
Amen, Mr. Condon!

I am working as politely as I can on my libertarian friends back in California.
To be frank, they need a good kick in the arse and a wake-up to reality.

So many of them know the country (indeed, the world) is sliding slowly into Socialist Statism,
and yet they're not prepared to do more than maybe occasionally vote for a libertarian candidate
in their own district, where realistically their chances even of getting on the local school board
is pretty darn slim, and they're surrounded by unions and unabashed socialists even if they do.

Just witness Governor Arnold's volte-face on his key issues. The Teacher's Union, the Firefighters' Union,
and the Nurses' Union have each got him in a vice-grip. His chances of staying in office are looking
increasingly doubtful, even with his unbeatable name recognition and relatively positive public sentiment.

As such, there are two prongs to a successful strategy for us in the FSP:
1. Get real, tangible changes to happen in NH, which we can point to and say, "See? This is why you should come joins us!"
2. Get libertarian "talkers" to realize their responsibility-by-inaction in the world they should be working to fix

Since I'm in NH already, the onus is on me to help with #1.
Personally, I love the NHLA, those guys are really on the ball;
that said, I also recognize the incredibly powerful and personal commitment of folks like Mr. Fisher, Mr. Kanning, and others with the NHUnderground.

So, to all you FSP members who aren't here in New Hampshire yet:
What are you waiting for? Get your arse in gear and get over here!

-Denis

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Re: Libertarian Guests & Friends, read this...
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2005, 06:09:11 pm »

So, to all you FSP members who aren't here in New Hampshire yet:
What are you waiting for? Get your arse in gear and get over here!

-Denis

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Re: Libertarian Guests & Friends, read this...
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2005, 02:44:44 am »

a long essay totally hostile to libertarians who haven't yet joined the FSP. I'm sure they'll be signing up in droves now.
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FYI, I think it's a TERRIBLE strategy attempting to shame and/or guilt-trip a group of people into signing up.
Libertarians suck at persuasion, so it is no surprise that the FSP sucks at persuading libertarians.  I believe that shame is an appropriate tool after other methods of persuasion have been tried.  But we have not yet tried hard enough, so my reaction is similar to Sandy's.

My impression so far is that people who like Tim's essay like its message, and people who don't like it don't like its style.

There are more ways to support libertarianism than supporting the FSP, and more ways to support the FSP than moving to New Hampshire, but I share the frustration of everyone here with whiners and debatertarians whose only contribution is talk.  Those people deserve to be shamed.
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Re: Libertarian Guests & Friends, read this...
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2005, 05:09:48 am »

Well, let me make just three of points with regard to my essay. First, it was written quite some time ago, when I was still in a public position of leadership and authority with the FSP. When I showed the essay to the FSP leadership, they uniformly disliked it, mainly due to the tone. In deference to those sensibilities, I waited until I was no longer in any leadership position, so that the inevitable backlash from some wouldn't be directed at the FSP itself.

Secondly, I need to make it clear that I'm not carping at those who *can't* yet make it to the Free State (after all, I'm one of them!). What I object to is (1) those libertarians who constantly and inventively make bogus excuses to justify their refusal to make *any* commitment to the FSP, including even giving it lip service; and (2) those libertarians who actually try to hinder and damage the FSP by arguing against it and trying to convince others not to support it.

Finally, I need to note something that always puzzles me: My tone in my writings---whether in essays, email list postings, or even personal emails---very often comes across as much more harsh than I intend. To me, the tone of the essay isn't all *that* astringent;  but I guess it is, to many. I attribute that to my own myopia with regard to my writings; it constantly gets me in trouble. My apologies to all those who are seriously offended...and my thanks to all those who write in support of either the style or the message, or both!
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