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JackMan

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The 90%-er Participant issue
« on: June 22, 2005, 09:14:57 pm »

Alright, I've browsed most of the site and the message boards and have decided that I'm what you call a 90%er.  I'm with you 90% of the way on this.  I'm not going to say what 10% I disagree with, because from reading this board I know that all that will do is trigger a debate about the 10% and drown out the more immediate and pressing issue.  All I want to know is:

1. Are 90%s officially welcome in the FSP;
2. If not, are 90%s unofficially welcome in the FSP; and
3. If not, is there some parallel society of 90%s out there that I could get involved in?

To put this in perspective, depending on how my scouting trip goes I'm probably heading to New Hampshire regardless of whether it's part of the FSP.  I'm interested in the state for the same reasons you chose it.  It's the most promising prospect for achieving the level of government I want.  So it seems to me that this is going to go one of two ways.  Either (1) I sign the SoI, head up there within about a year and contribute towards achieving our mutual interests until we have to fight over the last 10%, or (2) I go up there by myself, passively enjoy all the benefits of your efforts without lifting a finger, and fight you over the last 10%.  I suppose there's also (3) pretend I'm with you 100% then bail when it suits me, and (4) become 100% somewhere along the way, but 3 isn't how I conduct myself and 4 is highly unlikely.  Moreover, I'm really only interested in the counties where you have the least chance of ever reaching 100%, so I don't think I'll be impeding you.  I'd probably be a more persuasive ambassador in those areas than a purist anyway.

But again, I'm not here to debate, just looking for a Yea or Nay on my questions above.  If it's Nay, that's fine, no hard feelings, I'll keep blazing my own trail to freedom.
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Re: The 90%-er Participant issue
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2005, 09:20:04 pm »

Jackman,
 I'll see you when you get here (NH). 90% or 80%, makes no difference. Just as long as you are interested in freedom. At least more than anywhere else.  :D I'm sure a lot of participants are closer to 90% than 100%.
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Re: The 90%-er Participant issue
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2005, 10:22:54 pm »

Anybody who agrees with me 100 percent of the time should seek medical help.  ;D

Hope to meet ya in NH Jackman.
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Re: The 90%-er Participant issue
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2005, 10:35:43 pm »

1. Are 90%s officially welcome in the FSP;
2. If not, are 90%s unofficially welcome in the FSP; and

JackMan,

Welcome!  90% is amazingly high it seems to me.  Can you agree to the following very basic FSP Statement of Intent:

I hereby state my solemn intent to move to the state of New Hampshire. Once there, I will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of civil government is the protection of life, liberty, and property.  From the Join page: https://secure.freestateproject.org/join.jsp

You'll probably find a range of 75-100%ers when you start to pin Porcupines down on how to practically implement the SOI in New Hampshire.  Everybody is different and brings unique opinions, knowledge, skills and talents to the table.  I find these differences refreshing and not an obstacle when we get right down to it.

If you've breezed through much of this public forum, you've seen those who are opposed to our mission, those who don't think it will work, pessimists, socialists, as well as FSP Participants and Friends who support it all the way (like me).  In other words, I wouldn't judge Porcupines, the FSP or its goals by the posts on this forum!  The FSP website is a different story as it is written by the FSP.

90%?  You are more than welcome here.  My suggestion, if you can agree to the SOI, is to join us is this grand project of freedom.  We're meeting in NH!   ;D

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Re: The 90%-er Participant issue
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2005, 11:09:53 pm »

90% that is high.....
Some of the people here have some wacky ideas. ???
But I think that most people on these boards (some exceptions) all want MORE freedom.
So join up. 
Hell, privatizing the roads is not even on my top 100.
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Re: The 90%-er Participant issue
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2005, 09:18:44 am »

Even among those of us in NH who have moved, we're NOT all in agreement.  We agree to the basics (call it 30-50%?)...
but how to get there, and the focus, and what to do, etc etc, we don't all agree.  Occasionally, we are even on opposite side of an issue.

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Re: The 90%-er Participant issue
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2005, 10:57:11 am »

Thank you for the responses.  I guess I got the wrong impression from some of the other discussions here.  In the spirit of full disclosure, I'm probably more of an 80%er, but could live with 90%.

Can't wait to do my scouting trip.  95 degrees and humid this weekend, huh?  Gosh, New Hampshire's cold.
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Re: The 90%-er Participant issue
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2005, 11:26:34 am »

Yes, 80-90%'ers are welcome!  (I'm not even sure what that means because I don't think there is any such thing as a 100%'er.  There will always be some disagreement because everyone defines freedom a little differently.)

Just because some threads here seem to have a certain consensus doesn't mean every Participant agrees with that viewpoint.  Some of us have learned not to get involved in certain debates on an internet message board, even if we disagree.

If you agree with the Statement of Intent (with whatever meaning it has to you), then join the FSP and help the cause of liberty!
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Re: The 90%-er Participant issue
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2005, 07:16:46 pm »

To put it another way:

I'm an anarchist.  I don't want any government at all.  I guess that might make me a "100%," or something.

I'm also a libertarian.  I want small government.  Call it 90%

How can I hold both views?  The first is theoretical, while the second is practical.  I have no illusion that actual anarchy would be achieved during my lifetime, so I'll settle for a small government.

There are few anarchists in the FSP, and fewer still who are unrealistic enough to think that it is a goal which can be achieved in the near-term.

So, our grandkids can debate over the last ten or twenty percent.  The FSP focusses on the first eighty or ninety...

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Re: The 90%-er Participant issue
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2005, 09:04:00 am »

Spilling 90% of the government's blood?  Sounds good to me!
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Re: The 90%-er Participant issue
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2005, 10:10:50 am »

Spilling 90% of the government's blood?  Sounds good to me!
The original quote is a pretty damn stupid thing to say. Saying anything that could be interpreted as a violent overthrow of the government is a damn effective way of drawing serious attention with serious consequences.
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Why?  It's clear, in context, that it refers to the size of the government.

And even if it did not, what's the problem?  The entire reason why the Second Amendment was added to the Bill of Rights was to enable the American people to overthrow their government, if necessary.  Deal with it.

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Re: The 90%-er Participant issue
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2005, 06:28:31 pm »

Talk about super sensitivity.  It was clearly a metaphor, as the government has no blood.
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