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Daniel Vaughn

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New England towns with zero population?
« on: November 16, 2002, 09:38:27 pm »

I thought this was interesting, but is it true?  Here’s the link:  http://www.packing.org/news/article.jsp/8612/



All of the land in the Northeast (at least) was assigned to a minor civil division (town, usually) well over 100 years ago. That being said, there ARE defined towns in ME, NH, and VT (especially ME and NH) that presently have no population.

It would be easy to move to one, then run for mayor, be hired as police chief, whatever. I volunteer to be part of the tactical training establishment, and am looking forward to our first department full-auto training day!




BTW I’ve already tastefully plugged the FSP here a couple times.

Dan
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Re:New England towns with zero population?
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2002, 01:44:48 am »

There are a few towns in Vermont with zero population. All of them are in Essex county.
Avery's Gore
Lewis Town
Warner's Grant

Somerset Town in Windham county had 5 people in 2000.

You can find these towns on maps from the Census -- though it will take some time to zoom in and get that detail. You'll need to select "county subdivisions" from the "Legend" . Also it the map would have less clutter if you de-select census tract, block group and block. You can zoom into street level if you wish (for those towns that have streets).
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ReferenceMapFramesetServlet?_lang=en
You must have Java turned on it order for the above to work.
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Re:New England towns with zero population?
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2002, 12:13:44 pm »

Hmm.  Per my post regarding a Free State Land Trust Project, what are the laws governing residential qualifications and voting?

For example, lets say that the Free State Land Trust Project purchases some land in Lewis Town, VT or another town with zero population.

We put up a simple four wall "house" and get an address with the postal service.  I legally change my resident to this house, and visit it at least once a month.  I continue to operate my businesses in Chicagoland but "live" in Lewis Town, VT.

Can I vote in Lewish Town, VT, even if I don't occupy the land for a majority of the time?

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Re:New England towns with zero population?
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2002, 12:23:34 pm »

You can try.  States generally don't have cut-and-dried criteria for residency.  Generally you can register to vote if you present a driver's license issued by the state, or a recent utility bill.  To get a driver's license in the state, of course, you have to present proof of residency, like a lease agreement, or I assume, title to property.
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Re:New England towns with zero population?
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2002, 05:06:54 pm »

What prevents anyone from getting a driver's license in 50 states, and registering to vote in all 50?

The current system sounds REALLY easy to corrupt...

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Re:New England towns with zero population?
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2002, 05:12:27 pm »

What prevents anyone from getting a driver's license in 50 states, and registering to vote in all 50?

The current system sounds REALLY easy to corrupt...


It is easy to corrupt!  How else do you think the Democrats win elections? ;)  (This was the chief objection against the motor-voter law IIRC.)
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Re:New England towns with zero population?
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2002, 06:03:28 pm »

Yeah, I don't pay much attention to objections anymore, since mostly they just come from one Statist group against another Statist group :)

Realistically, we don't have to worry so much about "corruption" in a proper Free State as our constitution will limit what powers the State and the County will have.  Cities can become as socialist as they desire, I assume...

Oh, where can I list all the zero population towns in the applicable free state candidates?  Or do I have to go through the census website and just "get lucky"?

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Re:New England towns with zero population?
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2002, 10:38:43 am »

What prevents anyone from getting a driver's license in 50 states, and registering to vote in all 50?

The current system sounds REALLY easy to corrupt...

dada

Oh, it is. But in my single experience in changing states of residence, when I went in to get my new driver's license, they required me to surrender the one I had been issued in my former state. I then required them to destroy it in front of me (she was all set to just drop it in a basket.) It wasn't as destroyed as I would have liked - she cut it in two with scissors - but it was an acceptable compromise.

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Re:New England towns with zero population?
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2002, 08:59:10 pm »

I lived in Newport Vermont (Orleans County) for a year when I was about 14 or so.  I’ll be heading back up there next summer for  week or two to my uncles camp which is under construction now.  If we haven’t picked a state by then it will give me a good chance to check out three candies.

I wasn’t sure exactly how, but figured you guys might find that advantageous to our cause.  The little land trust sounds like a great idea.  We could take over Bumfuck Maine or wherever, pitch a tent, and all claim to live there.

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Re:New England towns with zero population?
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2003, 03:23:12 pm »

Actually when I visited NH I've learned about townships without one resident. Some of them are for sale now. NH locals have ful info about that. Galts Gulch project is one of attempts to buy the township. See Mike Lorrey
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Re:New England towns with zero population?
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2003, 06:11:24 pm »

Tony Stelik wrote:
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Actually when I visited NH I've learned about townships without one resident. Some of them are for sale now. NH locals have ful info about that. Galts Gulch project is one of attempts to buy the township. See Mike Lorrey
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There are a number of townships with no inhabitants in northern NH.
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=2523;start=msg30759

Mike's use of the term "township" means something different than "town". In my search of New Hampshire towns, there are none with zero population.

Every acre of land in NH has been surveyed and is part of a township. When I say 'unorganized', I mean there is no local government established in that township. There are several townships in northern NH with NO residents:

Dix's Grant
Second College Grant
Atkinson Academy Grant,
just to name a few

Dix's Grant is owned in its entirety by the MeadWestVaco timber/paper company. It currently has no organized government and no residents. It has only one land holder/landlord, and a dozen or two tenants, and the lease agreements specify that no leaseholder or guest of a lease holder can claim residency in the township.

Population statistics do not list townships with no residents because such townships have no population.

You are right to say that there is a difference between 'town' and 'township'. A township is a surveyed geographical area. A town is a local government corporation that may or may not exist in any given township. A city is another local government corporation that may exist in a township or extend across several contiguous townships.

To say that 'no towns have zero population' is AS true as saying that 'several townships have zero population'. Both can be true at the same time, because not every township has a town government.

Furthermore, there are townships that have population but have no town government. Wentworth Location is such a place.

My Galt's Gulch Project is intended to obtain all undeveloped/unorganized land in NH owned by MeadWestVaco, and distribute to GGP shareholders as profit on the sale of Mead's other property holdings in Maine as smaller parcels. Mead is selling all NH and ME land together as one package. They have told me that they would only consider selling individual townships if they do not find a buyer for the entire portfolio.
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