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What best describes your position on moving for the FSP?

I'll go anywhere for the FSP!
- 101 (32.5%)
There are a couple states I won't go to.
- 93 (29.9%)
I'll only go if the selected state is east/west of the Mississippi.
- 38 (12.2%)
There are a few states I'd go to, but that's it.
- 34 (10.9%)
I'll only participate if my favorite state is picked.
- 10 (3.2%)
I haven't decided!
- 35 (11.3%)

Total Members Voted: 288


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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2002, 07:52:41 pm »

I said that I would go anywhere, but in reality I do have preferences. I don't like cold weather, snow, etc. 8), but sacrifices must be made. I'm hoping to be retired by the time FSP makes the move, so I won't have to worry about employment. Heck, if I didn't have to pay income tax, social insecurity, etc., I'd be rich and not have to worry about making lots of money.
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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2002, 03:46:18 pm »

The way I see this is. It really doesn't matter which state we go to because; we will be dealing,  many times with each other when it comes to economic issues, trade etc.
The sooner we get the ball rolling the more people it will pick up. We don't want to build this train with too much luxury or no one will want to get off. We want it powerful and pratical, build a bridge across the Rubikhan and then burn it!  
Although, I think for political purposes,  we should make it a state on or near the Canada border, and it should have a good agricultural and industry base. Take over a good hospital and provide the kind of medical care people can pay for out of their pocket, get the the cost of gov't out and away from business and services. Regulate themselves. Remember folks we have in this country a  "Added Value Tax " whether we like it or not. When Mr and Mrs America go to buy that lowly loaf of bread there is built into it,  about 40 to fifty cents of taxes.
Businesses do not pay taxes, although one wouldn't believe it, especially when the do gooders are trying to fill their pockets with tax payer funds. They just collect taxes and pass them to gov't's.
Wouldn't it be nice to know that when you bought a house it would be yours and you wouldn't have to pay rent(property taxes) to county, state and feds.8)
We have an oppourtunity here to start our own economy right on the net, all we have to do, is do it!
I think North and South Dakota would be good. Easy to take over by our votes and and a great base to start. Then Wyoming, Montana, Nebraska would fall in line. Justs some thoughts from a fed up Citzen at Law
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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2002, 03:49:47 pm »

The way I see this is. It really doesn't matter which state we go to because; we will be dealing,  many times with each other when it comes to economic issues, trade etc.
The sooner we get the ball rolling the more people it will pick up. We don't want to build this train with too much luxury or no one will want to get off. We want it powerful and pratical, build a bridge across the Rubikhan and then burn it!  
Although, I think for political purposes,  we should make it a state on or near the Canada border, and it should have a good agricultural and industry base. Take over a good hospital and provide the kind of medical care people can pay for out of their pocket, get the the cost of gov't out and away from business and services. Regulate themselves. Remember folks we have in this country a  "Added Value Tax " whether we like it or not. When Mr and Mrs America go to buy that lowly loaf of bread there is built into it,  about 40 to fifty cents of taxes.
Businesses do not pay taxes, although one wouldn't believe it, especially when the do gooders are trying to fill their pockets with tax payer funds. They just collect taxes and pass them to gov't's.
Wouldn't it be nice to know that when you bought a house it would be yours and you wouldn't have to pay rent(property taxes) to county, state and feds.8)
We have an oppourtunity here to start our own economy right on the net, all we have to do, is do it!
I think North and South Dakota would be good. Easy to take over by our votes and and a great base to start. Then Wyoming, Montana, Nebraska would fall in line. Justs some thoughts from a fed up Citzen at Law
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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2002, 12:30:02 pm »


It seems to me that another answer would be useful.  Something like, "I'll go to any state where I can find a job in my field."  Moving lots of people is all very well, but if they can't support themselves, it just doesn't seem like it will work.

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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2002, 01:44:45 pm »

I don't know about anyone else, but IMO I am willing to sweep floors rather than to live in this country the way it is currently run. And believe me, as a software engineer, thats quite a shift in salary. I guess the term would be 'disgusted'. Thats what I am. And I think thats the point every FSP member must be at to consider following through with this project. Just my opinion though.
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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2002, 02:36:37 pm »

Schmoo,
I understand you are a software engineer. Is it possible to do what you do (or something similar) as an independent contractor? ???

One possible way to make the move less painful is to establish a small business now. You could spend some time cultivating a customer base and putting into place the system whereby you could work for these customers via Fed-ex and the internet.

When the time came for the move, employment wouldn’t be a concern. You would just need to pack your stuff and find a place to put it.

Just a thought.
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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2002, 02:50:05 pm »

Schmoo,
I understand you are a software engineer. Is it possible to do what you do (or something similar) as an independent contractor? ???


Oh yes, I have have owned my own company in the past, and will most likely do so again. I brought up the point above really only to illustrate the level of disgust I have with todays fed and state laws. And I'll tell you this, when I ran my own company (with 1 partner) and we grossed over 400K in one year, I was indeed taken to a new level of disgust after watching the gov take MORE than half of it and piss it away. Being a salaried employee of your own company, the double taxation is horrendous.
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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2002, 02:23:17 am »

 :D

I just read the article on worldnetdaily tonight (10-13-02) and my wife and I (and two sons) are ready to go.

I want to go to a rural state but a few states won't work (see below)...Damn the weather, damn the job climate, damn everything else that doesn't matter... and nothing does matter except for the fact that this WILL work and the economy will blossom like nothingf ever has in this country since the post WW2 days.

The rest of the country will follow our ideas within a few years and
it will keep getting better.

I haven't had a job in 5 years and I still make over $30,000 with ease.  Just finding and buying and selling and doing things for others works just fine and I live just fine.  And the bestr part about it, I decide when and if I pay taxes.

Let's go Libertarians.  The time is ripe.

New Hampshire - NO - Too many Democrats and too close to Liberal Boston.  I grew up in Boston and I spent much time in NH.  We will never win over the hearts and minds of these folks.  Maybe the old-timers but the younger crowd is too dependednt on the big Tit (US government).

Maine - NO - After the textile and shoe industry dried up the government came in and made them all believe they are entitled to be taken care of.   I not only lioved there...but I owned a small business with 15 employees.  Regardless of what they say, they hate independent thinkers.  Again, maybe the old-timers, but not the baby boomers and younger generation.

Delaware - NO - too close to DC and other urban areas.  Real Estate through the roof.  

Alaska, Montana, Idaho, South Dakota, etc.... - YES _ You get the picture...Rural, west, Independent thinkers, Agricultural land, Woods, Mountains.  Say no more.

Let's go!!!

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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2002, 12:14:08 pm »

I'd vaguely known about the FSP for a while (heard references to it from some Liberty Round Table folks), but I never really looked at it seriously until just recently. And what a cool surprise it was! I'm in - I'm a college student right now, and have no serious ties to any particular state - I'll go to whichever state the FSP chooses. The prospect of a free state completely outweighs any potential downsides of the destination. That said, my first choices would be Montana and Wyoming - they have space in a way that New Hampshire can't even compare to.
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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2002, 06:44:02 pm »

HI!  I am new to the forum - just joined the FSP today too.   :)  I currently live in Butte, MT.  I moved here from Colorado (where I grew up) 5 years ago.  

When I left Colorado I had a really good job, up here I don't.  The cost of living is much less and I don't need to make as much money.  There is a trade off for everything and I chose to make less money, have a less prestigious position etc. in order to live in a place with more freedom, less population and a safer environment.

We are pretty lucky up here not to have much Federal Gov't interference.  It is still too much but it's a lot more "live and let live" than Colorado was and I love it.
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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2002, 11:22:45 pm »

I just found out about FSP today and am very interested. I've been reading the site and discussions for almost 5 hours and feel very strongly about the basic concepts. My best friend and I have always talked about purchasing an island once we make enough money to be free of government intervention, but the FSP makes a lot more sense.


Delaware - NO - too close to DC and other urban areas.  Real Estate through the roof.  


I'm the exact opposite. I grew up in rural Texas (I lived 1 year in a town that was population 98 before we moved there) and now I live in New York City. I can not live in a rural area. I have to be near a very large city. (Personal preference and business requirements.) I barely made it through high school without killing myself (only the knowledge that soon I'd be off to college in a city gave me encouragement to live), and I don't think I could ever go back to such an environment.

Any place on the East coast is fine for me, as I can easily get to NYC, Boston, or DC. Heck, I could live in Delaware and commute to NYC and end up spending less time on the commute than my partner who lives on eastern Long Island.

But a lot of the western states really scare me. Nature has no interest to me (aside from an occasional visit at a resort). I'm an urban animal and even visiting my parents for a week is pure hell (and they're only 30 minutes from a 100,000+ city). I can't comprehend living somewhere that doesn't have activity all night long and where you come home at midnight instead of heading out for the night.

And airport access isn't mentioned in most of the state reports, which is critical to me. How many airlines? How many direct flights to the 10-15 largest cities in the country? Are the ticket prices fixed (because only 1 or 2 airlines serve the area) or very competitive?

Another important factor for me would be accessibility of Internet access. Is there competition in the cable and telephone markets? What is the prevalence of broadband Internet access? How good is cell phone coverage? Digital, or only old-fashioned cell units? What about forthcoming 3G phone systems?

Homeschooling is mentioned a lot, but what about the public schools? How do they rank in education standards? How prevalent is bussing? What percentage of communities have non-religious private schools? What portion of those schools give freedom to their students? I'd never send my kids to a school with uniforms, that censors the school paper, or gives more money to sports than academics.

What's the distance to the closest amusement park? To the largest city of 100,000, 500,000, and 1,000,000? How prevalent is public transportation? How often are do theater tours come by? Is there a local music scene? What are the nearest concert venues and how many shows per year are there?

I'm adamantly anti-authoritarian and opposed to most government regulation, but if the project can be located where there is some wilderness and rural communities (NH, VT, ME) along with near-by cities for urbanities, why not select that state? That seem the best compromise to me.

I will sign up at some point, but I feel I need more information on the western states. I don't want to exclude them without more information, but I'm not willing to commit myself to moving somewhere where I would find no happiness.


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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2002, 09:12:22 pm »

Well, here goes the first of what will be quite a few, I'm sure......testing one, two, three...

I'm the guy that just voted not to move 8)

As the chairman of the LPME, I'm committed to the liberating Maine.  I think Maine is the best choice for the Project, too.  And soon I'll elaborate.

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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2002, 11:01:12 pm »


And airport access isn't mentioned in most of the state reports, which is critical to me.



In the MT/ID thread (about the weather) I've mentioned airport access a time or two.  Boise is the best western option currently under consideration.  There exists air service in MT and WY, but it's nothing like Boise.  As for WY, I simply can't move there.  Jackson accounts for 1/2 of all of the WY air service and still doesn't qualify for me.  I don't know what prices are like in MT but Boise has lots of service from lots of airlines including the low fare likes of Frontier, Southwest and America West (in addition to, of course, Delta, United, Alaska, Northwest, etc. etc.).  

If air service is at all a consideration, Idaho is the clear winner in the west.  Add to that the climate and geographic diversity, along with strong projected job growth and I really lean in that direction.  

MT, of course, would be the second choice in the west for air service (and most of those other issues).  The seemingly only redeeming quality of WY is its low population.

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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2002, 11:43:38 am »


MT, of course, would be the second choice in the west for air service (and most of those other issues).  


And Billings just moved up in the rankings:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/021024/lath055_1.html

HP just announced service.  That makes me a little more comfortable with Billings for air travel purposes.

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Re:Location Requirements (TAKE THE POLL)
« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2002, 06:24:48 pm »

Hello all, recent addition to the project.  Learned of the FSP through a debate forum in Mindfulwisdom.  This is a very comforting thing to know that many feel the same way that I do about going anywhere for the FSP.  After all the debates I have been reading off the Email group I was starting to think that it was hopeless to get people to agree.  But as long as we have people willing to adapt to any environment to make it possible, WOOHOO!

Don't know how many of you are also in the situation I am, but I have three politically passive friends that go where ever I go.  They may not be activists, but they sure voters. 8)
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