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Free State Music Venue
« on: May 14, 2003, 10:40:28 am »

One thing the Free State will definitely need is a better music scene.  I've been doing some checking on WY and NH and neither state seems to be in very good shape when it comes to supporting live music.

Some enterprising porcupines could get together and build a music club or two  in the chosen state.  In NH, many bands choose to make the trek to Boston to play shows.  If we opened a club in southern NH, we could provide a place for local bands to play, make a little cash, and promote the FSP to the kids who come out to shows.  If WY if picked, Cheyenne, Casper or Laramie might be good places to start.

I've been in a band for the past 5+ years, and I'm always amazed at the number of guys I meet who are Libertarian in their way of thinking.  Granted, many of them choose not to vote, but we could help change that!  I've made some contacts in the music biz, and know a few things about running sound and a little about lighting.  Anyone interested in getting together and making this work?
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Re:Free State Music Venue
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2003, 11:16:09 pm »

Good idea.  You should make sure you allow people to have raves!  

I've setup outreach booths at raves for years.  It's become virtually impossible for promoters anymore.  But in a free state it would be cool.
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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2003, 10:48:22 am »

Hi Radar,

May I ask what are "raves"?

While I'm at it, do you know the meaning of:

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all the other symbols less those explained here (eg "hot topic")

Thanks in advance.

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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2003, 11:53:12 am »

Good idea.  You should make sure you allow people to have raves!  

I've setup outreach booths at raves for years.  It's become virtually impossible for promoters anymore.  But in a free state it would be cool.

I remember the feds were trying to pass a Bill that would essentially outlaw raves.  I don't know what happened to it.  I assume if it passed I would have heard about it.  But, yeah, raves would definitely be a good idea.  It would give kids something to do, and bolster the economy a little bit...

BobW:  A rave is a music event, typically being held in a giant warehouse, and has become notorious because of the bright flashing lights, loud music, and prevalence of the drug Extacy.  
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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2003, 12:48:21 pm »

Thanks, JT.

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Re:Free State Music Venue
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2003, 12:54:36 pm »

The Rave Act, as it was called, was amended to the Amber Alert bill and has been passed into law.

Another example of moral beliefs being legislated into law, using a trick that should be illegal. That of attaching legislation, which is uable to pass on it's on, to another bill that will undoubtedly pass. Who would even think to oppose the Amber Alert bill, yet how many people actually know it was amended with the Rave Act?
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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2003, 03:18:04 pm »

I agree completely SN Porc.

Bob:  As far as I know those names refer to the number of posts you've made if you're talking about them as they refer to this board.
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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2003, 11:55:29 am »

I can tell you that a good rave will attract people from all over the region, and bring tourists into the free state. Here in Toronto, a place which is relatively liberal regarding drugs, parties, and raves, over half the people at local raves are not local but have driven in from New York, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio. A large rave venue in the free state would attract the world's top DJs and bring in massive tourist traffic every weekend.

As well, contrary to what some may think, the average 'raver' is well-educated with above-average income, at least where I live. And most of them are quite libertarian in their thinking.
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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2003, 12:51:31 pm »

Very true.  I've been in the scene for many years.  And if we had a few large annual events and let the promoters know the free state would not enforce any part of the rave act, we could bring in a lot of income, and free thinkers.  

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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2003, 01:32:16 pm »

Very true.  I've been in the scene for many years.  And if we had a few large annual events and let the promoters know the free state would not enforce any part of the rave act, we could bring in a lot of income, and free thinkers.  

Free staters should certainly oppose the RAVE Act and similar legislation, and certainly business owners ought to have the right to hold raves without fear of prosecution.

But why do you think the presence of raves in the free state would attract "free thinkers?"  It will not attract "free thinkers" as a class.  Rather, it will attract people who are primarily "drug users."  These drug users may or may not be "free thinkers."  They may or may not be pro-liberty.  But many are addicted to one or more drugs.  Many lead misguided, self-destructive lifestyles.  Sure, they ought to have every right to do those things, but spare us this nonsense that any significant number of them "free thinkers."  
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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2003, 11:37:20 pm »

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But why do you think the presence of raves in the free state would attract "free thinkers?"

Because Libertarians don't tend to follow the "norm".  They think for themselves, and are typically better educated than most other Americans.

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Rather, it will attract people who are primarily "drug users."

The majority of ravers don't use drugs.  Most ravers prefer to go sober.  But yes some will use drugs.  And if they use drugs or don't mind being around those who do use drugs, they support your freedom to do what you want with your own body.  This is a key element of thinking and acting freely.

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They may or may not be pro-liberty.

More often than not, they're pro-liberty as I've already explained.

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But many are addicted to one or more drugs.

Addicted?  To what?  Ecstacy?  Marijuana?  Mushrooms?  Acid?  Not one of these are addictive and these are the main drugs used at raves.

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Many lead misguided, self-destructive lifestyles.

That's a matter of opinion.  Perhaps there are some who think you lead a misguided, or self-destructive lifestyle.    

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Sure, they ought to have every right to do those things, but spare us this nonsense that any significant number of them "free thinkers."  

Judging from your comments I'd be you've never been to a rave and probably know less than nothing about them.  If all you know about raves is what you've seen on Fox News, you know nothing about raves or ravers.  Most ravers aren't kids.  Most are in their 20s.  Most have college educations.  Drug addiction is no more prevailent among ravers than any other group of people including those who are only addicted to legal drugs.  The overwhelming majority of them want to live their lives freely without government intervention and want to allow others to do the same.  If that's not a free thinker, perhaps you can share with me what you define a free thinker/freedom lover as being.

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Re:Free State Music Venue
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2003, 02:00:17 am »

This is an interesting idea...

I'd be interested in hooking up with any good  techno/trance/drum n' bass type musicians out there.  I do voice and lyrics and just need good track to put 'em on top of.  


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Re:Free State Music Venue
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2003, 02:21:59 am »

Hey Radar. Thanks for saying everything I wanted to regarding “Pro-liberty” KARL’s statements. My father also still thinks people are addicted to drugs all over the place just because they use them occasionally too. Of course he’s almost 70 and only believes in legal drugs. So he has his Manhattans or Martinis or beers every night. When I tell him how alcohol is much worse than many drugs he still doesn’t get it. Once Ecstasy, Marijuana, Mushrooms, Acid, etc are legalized and added to the list of legalized drugs like alcohol, nicotine and caffeine and their price drops to reasonable amounts the crime associated with their “black markets” will evaporate along with the dealers. I just can’t believe anyone could doubt that people who try currently illegal drugs are free thinkers. It’s a prerequisite for it! Try to try some new things occasionally KARL.
So, what kind of music are you guys thinking about for that club?
My family operates a Jazz club chain of sorts, utilizing live Jazz or R&B nightly with fine Mediterranean cuisine. I’m more of an alternative music scene guy myself but I enjoy anything but Polka and Rap. I’d be glad to help out too. I know lots of band members, (friends over the years).
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Re:Free State Music Venue
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2003, 03:42:33 am »

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When I worked in a convenience store near University of Connecticut, I used to play the school's radio station.  I would get some funny looks and rude comments during the once a week polka show.  But that polka show had far and away more listenership than any other time slot.  Don't dis polka!  Beats the heck out of heavy metal, especially that glam-rock they used to play in the '80s.
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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2003, 07:42:52 pm »

Ya need da Polka Band, eh! Anybody know da Chicken Dance?
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