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Portsmouth PD bribe pizza guys to snoop
« on: May 27, 2004, 10:25:01 am »

Delivery People Urged to Rat Out Minors

[AP Story] PORTSMOUTH, N.H. - The long arm of the law may be ringing your doorbell and holding a pizza.

Police in Portsmouth hope to enlist pizza delivery people and hotel clerks to help cut into underage drinking and parents who allow it.

Under a new law, it's illegal for the owner or occupants of a home or hotel room to host a gathering of five or more minors who are drinking or using drugs. Teens as young as 17 who throw a party could be tried as adults.

Portsmouth Police Sergeant Mike Schwartz said the program is called the "Booze Bounty." He said food delivery people and hotel clerks would receive $50 if their anonymous tips of suspicious activity leads to the arrest of a party host.

"The message being sent to parents is that it's not safe for them to host a party," said Jackie Valley, of the Community Diversion Program in Greenland, which works to keep at-risk youths out of trouble with the law. "This doesn't change the fact that youths using alcohol is still illegal."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=8&u=/ap/20040527/ap_on_fe_st/snooping_minors_1
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« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2004, 10:35:02 am »

This should go over as well as the CAPS program did..... ::)

Oh seacoast folk! You thinking of fighting this somehow? Seems to me it is a violation of art 19 of the NHC.

"if the cause or foundation of them [warrants] be not previously supported by oath or affirmation; and if the order, in a warrant to a civil officer, to make search in suspected places, or to arrest one or more suspected persons or to seize their property, be not accompanied with a special designation of the persons or objects of search, arrest, or seizure; and no warrant ought to be issued; but in cases and with the formalities, prescribed by law."


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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2004, 10:36:05 am »

Wow.  It's going to take me a minute to think of anything but expletives.    >:(

Who came up with this INSANE law?
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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2004, 10:48:02 am »

Statists, who we are hopefully gonna boot one state south by 2008. :D

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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2004, 11:01:20 am »

Why is it that liberty-lovers aren't swinging lawsuits everywhere?  Do you have to actually be a victim of these crimes before you have the legal standing?  Is it just impossibly expensive to pursue?
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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2004, 11:11:22 am »

You would have to have standing, and courts have historically not favored the "damnit, I'm paying for this because you rob me" argument.  Clearly bullshit, but the man in the robe always wins.

There's also the problem that this was most likely a validly enacted law, put into place and exercised by democratically elected officials, acting under the state's (and localities') classic "interest" in health, welfare, etc., etc.  Since underage drinking is illegal (bolstered, of course, by the carrot of federal highway money), enforcement is authorized.  Bastards.
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2004, 11:30:33 am »

Hey Jim....Let me touch base with some of the folks...perhaps we can get something together! :)

Couldn't pull up the news story! ???
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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2004, 11:37:22 am »

Can I get $50 everytime I observe the Constitution being violated? :D
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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2004, 11:41:31 am »

You would have to have standing, and courts have historically not favored the "damnit, I'm paying for this because you rob me" argument.  Clearly bullshit, but the man in the robe always wins.

There's also the problem that this was most likely a validly enacted law, put into place and exercised by democratically elected officials, acting under the state's (and localities') classic "interest" in health, welfare, etc., etc.  Since underage drinking is illegal (bolstered, of course, by the carrot of federal highway money), enforcement is authorized.  Bastards.

NH has to be forgoing at least some Federal funds since they don't have seatbelt laws (I'm not sure about the 0.08% legal limit).  So how is the political climate in NH to drop the legal age back to 18?  And if not on hard liquor, how about just beer and wine?
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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2004, 11:55:59 am »

FOCUS please! :D  Looking for ways we might try and stop the Pizza Gestapo!  Letters to the editor, contact the ACLU?   Any ideas or thoughts?

Believe we lack the resources to take this to court on our own.  Do we need an actual test case?
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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2004, 01:29:09 pm »

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He said food delivery people and hotel clerks would receive $50 if their anonymous tips of suspicious activity leads to the arrest of a party host.
I'm sure delivery services are thrilled about the prospect of their employees scaring customers away. Perhaps the best way to do this is to approach these delivery services and ask them what they think. It'd be great to find a few that would deliver a message like "We don't condone underage drinking, but we are certainly not in the business of regulating the lives of others. I've asked all my employees to disregard this new law."

I'm certain that the delivery services stand a lot to gain from publicizing the fact that they will not follow this new law. When I used to deliver Chinese food, parties were one of the most lucrative sources of income.
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2004, 04:04:56 pm »

Why is it that liberty-lovers aren't swinging lawsuits everywhere?  Do you have to actually be a victim of these crimes before you have the legal standing?  Is it just impossibly expensive to pursue?

A friend of mine was harassed by the cops here in FL, and he went to several lawyers to see if they would take his case.  None would.  They are afraid of retribution against their practices.  I'm sure the same climate of fear is present in NH.

All you have to do is find a lawyer with some balls.
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2004, 07:49:20 pm »

Why is it that liberty-lovers aren't swinging lawsuits everywhere?  Do you have to actually be a victim of these crimes before you have the legal standing?  Is it just impossibly expensive to pursue?

A friend of mine was harassed by the cops here in FL, and he went to several lawyers to see if they would take his case.  None would.  They are afraid of retribution against their practices.  I'm sure the same climate of fear is present in NH.

All you have to do is find a lawyer with some balls.
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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2004, 11:18:45 pm »

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Re:Portsmouth PD bribe pizza guys to snoop
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2004, 11:34:41 pm »

Just a thought: why not organise a boycott of pizza delivery joints?  It's a very Libertarian way to deal with such a threat, and it is very likely to get the attention of Domino's Gestapo.

Look at how many times McDonald's has been intimidated by its customers -- boycotts, even well-publicised threats thereof, work!

Now go clean up them empty beer bottles, roaches, and pizza boxes.

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