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bookish_lass

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Greatest threat to America's national security
« on: October 11, 2004, 05:55:40 am »

Excellent analysis.  Why can't we have someone like this running for president?  (Not that I have anything against Michael Badnarik.)

http://www.lewrockwell.com/latulippe/latulippe31.html
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Re:Greatest threat to America's national security
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2004, 09:43:48 am »

The problem with many enlightened thinkers some of
whom participate at this forum is that they don't like
to admit that there is such a thing as evil in the world.
North Korea's leader is a perfect example and global
intervention(not just from the United States) will be
required to deal with the problem. The same is true
with Iran. Unfortunatley, not all nations have the capa-
city(economic and military) to confront such evil which
is why our nation is in a position to take a leading role.
As the good book says. . .to whom much is given, much
is expected. And to address the naysayers, yes the
United States has perpetrated some evils and njustices throughtout the years, but then not all evil
is created equal. As an example, I certainly wouldn't equate a man having to wear panties on his head in a prison with a decapitation. Taking an innocent life in
a cold-blooded manner is very hard to top in terms of
evil in my book.
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Re:Greatest threat to America's national security
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2004, 04:22:10 pm »

Discussing such things is pointless when the governing political systems of the world have an inherant requirement for violence. It's similar to when stupid socialists rave on about how government *would* be just if *only* it were run in a certain manner.

With governments there will always be violence. Don't complain.

In an anarchic international political system there will always be violence. Don't complain.

The greatest threat to America's national security is the existence of the US itself. If you build an empire your going to have to defend it. Stop complaining. I'm tired of hearing intellectuals in trendy political magazines invent new and trendy words and concepts out of nothing to justify their own existence. If anyone types pax-americana I will put out a bounty on their head.

Blah.  >:(

(No anger directed towards you bookish_lass - just whining intellectuals.)
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Re:Greatest threat to America's national security
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2004, 05:03:57 pm »

The problem with many enlightened thinkers some of
whom participate at this forum is that they don't like
to admit that there is such a thing as evil in the world.
North Korea's leader is a perfect example and global
intervention(not just from the United States) will be
required to deal with the problem. The same is true
with Iran. Unfortunatley, not all nations have the capa-
city(economic and military) to confront such evil which
is why our nation is in a position to take a leading role.
As the good book says. . .to whom much is given, much
is expected. And to address the naysayers, yes the
United States has perpetrated some evils and njustices throughtout the years, but then not all evil
is created equal. As an example, I certainly wouldn't equate a man having to wear panties on his head in a prison with a decapitation. Taking an innocent life in
a cold-blooded manner is very hard to top in terms of
evil in my book.

Have you ever been to Iran or North Korea?  Do you know anything about these places besides what you hear from our government and it's lapdog media?

Did you know that Iran was a democracy, until they decided to nationalize their oil business in the 1950's?  Did you know that our government helped overthrow that democracy and install the Shah, which the people hated.  That's why Iran is now ruled by theocratic mullahs.

I don't know much about North Korea (at least I admit it), but what makes their communists any worse than the Chinese communists that we do billions of dollars in business with every year?  What makes them any worse than the dictators of Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, or Tajikistan, who are now our "allies"?

If you don't question the drivel that comes out of our government, you're the one who is having trouble finding the evil in the world.

We can catch the Bushbots in lie after lie, year after year, policy after policy, but they'll always have their backers.

Just the other day in the 2nd debate, Bush claimed that nondiscretionary nondefense spending has only grown 1% per year under his administration.

Just looking up the numbers shows (if I remember correctly) 4% the first year, and 8% the 2nd and 3rd year.  Of course, you won't find the Bushbots actually doing their own research when they have the RNC to do it for them.

Sheesh
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Re:Greatest threat to America's national security
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2004, 10:30:15 pm »

I think I already reacted to this sentiment in the war thread.  I think it's somewhat self-serving analysis to assume that if we just stopped doing anything and made nice with everybody that nothing bad would ever happen to us.

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Re:Greatest threat to America's national security
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2004, 01:53:08 am »

MAverik, the fact that evil exists, is the very reason why so much power shouldn't be under control of one man.

Tracy
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Re:Greatest threat to America's national security
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2004, 04:43:02 am »

I think I already reacted to this sentiment in the war thread.  I think it's somewhat self-serving analysis to assume that if we just stopped doing anything and made nice with everybody that nothing bad would ever happen to us.

I'm not saying that nothing bad would ever happen.  However, any critical analysis of US foreign policy for the last 100 years that overlooks our government's mis-steps is worse than self-serving, it's naive.

The fact is that we have peaceful neighbors to the north and to the south, as well as 2 huge oceans on east and west.

We also have the strongest navy and air force in human history.  The only way a foreign country could possibly pose a threat to us is if we let them.  Period.

The only way a terrorist organization like Al-Qaeda poses a threat is because the FedGov is too damn inept to properly screen those who come into our country.

The only way ICBM's pose a threat is because our government is too damn inept to create a  missile defence system, even though the technology has been available for over 30 years.

As long as we go off in search of dragons to slay, we will continue to have problems like terrorism.  We could completely level the entire Arab world, and terrorism would pop up from somewhere else.  

My guess is that the next  big problem will be from south America, where we've made it our business to napalm random fields in search of drugs, interfere in the election process of oil-producing countries, and piss off the Brazillians to no end.
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Re:Greatest threat to America's national security
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2004, 12:08:58 pm »

the price of empire is terrorism thus terrorists will strike again

because no one can defeat us militarily their goal is to have america implode from internal contradictions like enacting anti-liberty measures to protect liberty.

the only viable option is voluntary devolution that is both anti-corporate and anti-state.

if we don't voluntarily act it will be imposed by mother nature and I am afraid she does not negotiate.
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Re:Greatest threat to America's national security
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2004, 01:30:07 pm »

I think I already reacted to this sentiment in the war thread.  I think it's somewhat self-serving analysis to assume that if we just stopped doing anything and made nice with everybody that nothing bad would ever happen to us.

I'm not saying that nothing bad would ever happen.  However, any critical analysis of US foreign policy for the last 100 years that overlooks our government's mis-steps is worse than self-serving, it's naive.

The fact is that we have peaceful neighbors to the north and to the south, as well as 2 huge oceans on east and west.

We also have the strongest navy and air force in human history.  The only way a foreign country could possibly pose a threat to us is if we let them.  Period.

The only way a terrorist organization like Al-Qaeda poses a threat is because the FedGov is too damn inept to properly screen those who come into our country.

The only way ICBM's pose a threat is because our government is too damn inept to create a  missile defence system, even though the technology has been available for over 30 years.

As long as we go off in search of dragons to slay, we will continue to have problems like terrorism.  We could completely level the entire Arab world, and terrorism would pop up from somewhere else.  

My guess is that the next  big problem will be from south America, where we've made it our business to napalm random fields in search of drugs, interfere in the election process of oil-producing countries, and piss off the Brazillians to no end.
                                                                                           
How accurate is the antimissle technology?
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Re:Greatest threat to America's national security
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2004, 09:31:04 pm »

It's not accurate as of now.  Last I remember hearing, one or two of the tests were successful, and one or two were not.  The bottom line is that we still don't have a solid missile defense.

Also, just as a footnote to my previous comments, here's some information about our "ally", Uzbekistan:

http://blog.lewrockwell.com/lewrw/archives/006262.html

and here:
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=572691

PS - greenbacks, hey, we agree on something!  ;)
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Re:Greatest threat to America's national security
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2004, 10:16:47 pm »

Yeah. YEAH!

WE NEED A GOVERNMENT TO PROTECT US FROM OTHER GOVERNMENTS!

Sorry, but that's what I'm hearing here.

I don't know about you guys, but 99% of the problems and threats that I encounter eminate from within the borders of the US.

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Re:Greatest threat to America's national security
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2004, 10:18:37 pm »

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PS - greenbacks, hey, we agree on something!

who knows - maybe there is hope that Rothbard's vision can come true!

http://www.mises.org/fullstory.aspx?control=910

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