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For those interested in border states...
« on: November 19, 2002, 08:24:16 pm »

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Re:For those interested in border states...
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2002, 08:48:59 pm »

But if we don't pick NH then I can't go to the Boston Pop's. What to do. That would only leave Wyoming and SD. Bite your tongue sir.  ;D

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Re:For those interested in border states...
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2002, 09:36:08 pm »

Good Lord people...

So we are going to allow our glimmer of hope of truly Free Society slip away because of increased border control?

If we take control of the state, we stand a small chance of ever really establishing what we really want (Freedom from Uncle) if we are landlocked (i.e. surrounded)  We need to position our selves that IF we need to break away, we can.  

Homeland Security with a wild Wyoming bucking at the reigns of DC, I doubt that will last long.  Pick Alaska or Maine and voice the opinion to say "bye" to "one nation under God" and it is easier as we would not be surrounded.

I am not saying seceding is a requirement, but the way Bush is driving us into hell, it might be the only choice if we want the life our fore fathers wanted us to have.  

If we eliminate border and coast states because of this, we are doomed to be rats in a cage.  Makes Alaska seem even MORE appealing.  

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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2002, 11:31:00 pm »

Well, you maybe be right, but I think a land locked state is foolish in the long run.  You think you will ever get out of Federal Income taxes, Federal Rules, and obtain true autonomy? It will be an interesting experiment if the FSP picks a place like Wyoming, but I don't think it will ever really accomplish the true goals it has there.

I guess I need to start looking at other countries all together, I am really getting bummed about the way this one is going.

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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2002, 12:21:01 am »

I guess I do envision turning it into a separate country over a period of time.  

I think too many sheeple and "flocks" will make our battle impossible to turn the country at large back.  There are too many brainwashed people that have the "what will government do for me" syndrome.

I JUST saw on the news 10 mins ago them talking about homeland security and how Internet privacy is going away (Carnivore, et al) if the Homeland Security bill gets passed.  They were interviewing sheeple on the street and they were saying "It is OK by me, I have nothing to hide, I just send mail to my mom saying Hi."

Fighting THAT LARGE portion of the population will be a "Liberty not in our lifetime" battle.  That is why it is the Free STATE Project first.

I am all with you as far as being an AMERICAN and what it really means. I would love nothing more than to see this country go back to its roots and yank these socialistic, controlling, greedy, assholes out of the drivers' seat.   But I am saddened to think we are too far gone and there is no reversing it on a National level.  We have sheeple that vote to keep them in.  

That is why I just want my piece.  My space of freedom that I can enjoy and let the rest of the sheeple live in their pens.  I guess I feel like I am looking out for me, rather than trying to be a savior.  Maybe I should not be so selfish, but I don't know if I have the energy to lead horses to water all day, just to see them die of thirst as it has been happening over and over.  If we set an example and they follow that is GREAT.  If they don't, and if we are removed (I think Maine or Alaska) then fine, at least WE have what WE want.

My aunt (an American) made a comment to me after 9-11 that just made me feel sick.  She said...  When I travel oversea and I see military personal on the streets and  corners with M16's or other types of automated rifles, I feel safer when they are around and would like to see that here as well.

How are we going to sway the 100,000's upon 100,000's that don't realize what is over the next hill?  You think one state in the center will do that?  That would be swell.  I guess I am a bit more pessimistic.  Hopeful, but pessimistic.

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Re:For those interested in border states...
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2002, 12:23:45 am »

What bothers me is that it has become clear that Wyoming is the best state, but our "leadership" is still bickering over how to perform the vote. Sounds to much like the politics we have grown to enjoy from our Dem. and Rep. brothers.  ???
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Re:For those interested in border states...
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2002, 01:53:52 am »

Academically speaking, were WY to decide to duke it out with the feds the lack of international border is a mute point. Why? Because all that stands between WY and the western provinces of Canada (themselves moving quickly to rebelian) is Montana. And we're not talking about the liberal western half, North of WY is eastern MT, a vast porous country dominated by freedom loving people very much similar to those in WY. You get the idea.
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Re:For those interested in border states...
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2002, 09:48:42 am »

I expect the U.S. will eventually break up, and it will be a peaceful breakup.  A country of 300 million people just doesn't make sense.  How could just a few hundred people in one city on the East Coast make thousands of decisions every year dramatically affecting the lives of these 300 millions in anything resembling a rational and accountable manner?  The country is just too large to be efficient.  I give it approximately 100 more years of survival in its present form.

People come to the FSP with different aspirations and expectations, and that's fine - these different aspirations won't come into play for decades.  And when they do, it may be that our aspirations are not so different after all.
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Re:For those interested in border states...
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2002, 10:15:20 am »

All this worry about the border patrol is pointless. With the thousands and thousands of laws in existence and more codified each day, the Feds hardly need this bit of silliness to interfere with us. Any day they like they could find nearly every one of us in violation of something worthy of our being arrested.

Are we seriously going to allow the Feds to dictate where we take this project? If so then I suggest we shelve the 5,000 member vote and just ask Mr. Bush where he will allow us to go. You can't hide in Wyoming or South Dakota any better than you can anywhere else.

We need to stay focused on finding a state where we can win the legislature and stop worrying about the Border Patrol or whatever other agency comes along. If they want us bad enough they will find a way to get us...no matter where we go. Our job is to stick our necks out and get the job done in spite of the Feds. If we all run scurrying like rats now, what will happen when the pressure actually starts?

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Re:For those interested in border states...
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2002, 10:17:58 am »

I agree with you Jason. I do not believe that the United States can remain one nation for too very much longer. It is dying under the weight of its own bureaucracy, and sooner or later there will come a move to split it into several smaller political units (perhaps at the insistence of the U.N.?) I'm not certain that that will happen in our life time, but I would think it will occur before the year 2100.

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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2002, 10:32:17 am »

Or if the US does not break up, we will head towards a one world governement, with the US at the drivers seat.  with smaller governments reporting in.  Either way.  ;D

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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2002, 10:58:57 am »

I agree with George.  We need to worry about best locale regardless.  They won't use border patrol as a reason if they really want to mess with us.  With Homeland Security passed, soon every move we make will be tracked unless we move to a state where we can cut the new "central database" umbilical cord.

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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2002, 11:33:46 am »

Hi Robert,

We have discussed this before and I still don't think public opinion will enter into this at all. It didn't anywhere else they chose to move on people. It isn't like we will be holed up in one compound like they were in Waco. Picking off individuals quietly and under the public and media radar is their specialty. I highly doubt if they move against us that there will be a single word written or spoken about it. Who would know that we were being persecuted except us? They needn't be all powerful to do enough of us in to strike fear and inaction into the rest.

I just can't concern myself with a threat that is already in every county of every state. My concern is winning the legislature and helping free people. Hell, I live in NJ, if I didn't do something everytime I thought it would violate a law or give cause to them to act against me I'd have to just sit at home and watch t.v. all day ;)

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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2002, 11:45:07 am »

Hi Robert,

We have discussed this before and I still don't think public opinion will enter into this at all. It didn't anywhere else they chose to move on people. It isn't like we will be holed up in one compound like they were in Waco. Picking off individuals quietly and under the public and media radar is their specialty. I highly doubt if they move against us that there will be a single word written or spoken about it. Who would know that we were being persecuted except us? They needn't be all powerful to do enough of us in to strike fear and inaction into the rest.

Hello, George

I understand where you're coming from, but I think the nature of the FSP is different enough that they won't necessarily try treating us the same way.  For one thing, events like Waco, etc., were handled either very quickly or against groups of people who couldn't communicate with the media and get their side of the story out.  In our case, I think that we will have various media types checking on our progress from time to time and reporting on us.  We're just too strange of a political bird for them not to stop and stare every once in awhile.   :)
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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2003, 09:10:08 pm »

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I do not believe that the United States can remain one nation for too very much longer. It is dying under the weight of its own bureaucracy, and sooner or later there will come a move to split it into several smaller political units (perhaps at the insistence of the U.N.?)
Where would you rather be during or after the breakup?
In the middle of the building?
Or near one of the doors?

What's going on here Hank, did you click page 34 by mistake and just decide to reply to every thread there?
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