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elcaminodan77

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« on: July 24, 2002, 10:00:12 pm »

Personally, my vote would be for Delaware or Maryland.  Both beautiful states, with Delaware more so then Maryland already having a population and government which puts it out ahead (no sales tax, extremely low other taxes, etc.).  Maryland is my dream choice but because of it's proximity to D.C. may be a no-no.  Delaware has plenty of jobs, a nice coast, lots of good real estate, and has routes to major cities like Philadelphia, Baltimore, and even NYC.  Maryland is a small state with an obvious tourism industry, as well as a pretty decent setup already for our libertarian goals.  not too sure about their taxes and stuff but i know it's a great state to live in.

Dan

P.S. I currently live in upstate NY.... let's just say i know one state i WON'T be voting for...
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Re:Delaware or Maryland
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2002, 10:09:58 pm »

Maryland!?  Oh man, I think of that as the JBT capital of the country.  Didn't they just pass some "turn in your neighbor to the gestapo" law recently?  They also have the most strict anti-gun laws in the country.

I think you'd have to drag me there.  If I'm wrong, let me know though.

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Re:Delaware or Maryland
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2002, 11:22:38 pm »

The population of Maryland is above our cutoff. Refer to the main website for more information about the selection criteria, specifically http://www.freestateproject.org/strategies.htm , http://www.freestateproject.org/faqs.htm#9Q , and http://www.freestateproject.org/state.htm
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Re:Delaware or Maryland
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2002, 11:45:27 pm »

Here's the main problem with Delaware: Joe Biden.  He's the immovable object -- we'd need more than anticipated activism to oust such a valuable ($$$) resource.

http://www.joebiden.com/issues.php
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Re:Delaware or Maryland
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2002, 02:23:49 pm »

 I believe that Maryland is the state where a county just recently passed a law that says you can be given a fine of 750 bucks for smoking a cigarette in your own house, if the neighbor complains.
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Re:Delaware or Maryland
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2002, 09:13:24 pm »

I grew up in Maryland. It's a lovely, almost completely socialist, state. MD has more bizzare gun laws than CA, and recently revoked the Concealed Carry permit of a professional P.I. and Baltimore "Citizen of the Year" because the D.A. (who has been conducting an anti-gun witch hunt) discovered he had been convicted of misdemeanor assault in a mutual shoving incident with a neighbor 20 years ago, on the pretext that it "could" have been charged as a fellony.

Reasonably nice place to visit (my parents home is still there), but you don't want to live there if you value freedom.

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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2002, 10:27:40 am »

Did someone say DE had an active LP (or at least a freedom loving populace)?  I find that hard to believe... reference the this article as to why : http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/nation/1548489
Anyone have a take on this?  What's going on?  Are FSP'ers (or any other "citizen/state rights" advocates) potential targets?  Does anyone know if any of our other target states have, or are considering, similar action?
SoCaHap
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Re:Delaware - Strong Libertarian Party?
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2002, 04:15:10 pm »

Although the flip side is that if we were there now this could be a rallying point for us and we could drum up alot of political support maybe.
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Re:Delaware - Strong Libertarian Party?
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2002, 09:44:08 am »

The cops are targeting the hoods in the Wilmington hood.  I don't think they would be interested in joining a free state movement.
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Delaware Report
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2002, 12:32:29 pm »

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Re:Delaware Report
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2002, 10:28:07 pm »

I just read the Delaware report by Jan Helfeld and thought he brought out some very valid points.  While it would be nice to select a state which would maximize out effectiveness I dread the thought of being sandwiched between Maryland and New Jersey.  Although when It finally comes down to voting (if it ever does) I think I’d rather head to a state where out plan is truly workable.  

Being a western state proponent, (although I’ve never been out west) there’s one concern I have with Delaware: Where’s the land?  I’ll admit I’ve never been to Delaware, but the impression I get is that it is all urbanized.  I was alright with New Hampshire after looking around on Realtor.com and finding cheap large tracts of land for sale.  Not only that but there was the possibility that down the road we could expand into Vermont or Mane.  Some how I cant see us expanding into Maryland or New Jersey, however great that may sound.   So maybe some one here can answer this question:  Are there any rural areas left in the state, where one could conceivably purchase maybe 20 or so acres?  Personally I’d rather have something like 150 - 200 but some how I get the feeling that’s not available.  
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Re:Delaware Report
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2002, 10:44:09 pm »

Judging purely from a map, I would say that there are significant rural areas in Delaware, but I can't pretend to know about lot prices.
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Re:Delaware - Strong Libertarian Party?
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2002, 11:37:30 am »

Until they are told to.  But, it would be  interesting if we could elect the sherrif (western phrase), town council and the town attoreny.   After all, these are the subjects that we are really after.  

We will have to resist such attempts.  Just remember the improper use of the IRS and FBI by our feds.
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Re:Delaware Report
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2002, 01:10:33 pm »

I think it's really funny how people characterise places that they've never been to or bothered to even read about!  ;D

I really think most people who favor the West somehow think that the east coast is totally urbanized and crowded.  It's fine to think that initially but what makes me mad is that they don't get off their butts and look into it!!!!!!!  Northern New Hampshire is not just sparse it's DESOLATE, YES ABSOLUTELY DESOLATE!!!!  And almost all of southern Delaware is rural.  Not to say that Megadeath is like this after all he even said that he didn't know about these places and that this was just his impression.  What I don't like is that so many people have this impression and unlike Megadeath they don't bother to find out more information about the east coast states!!!!  So please please West coast people don't give us the "wide open spaces" crap because you can have that in New Hampshire and to a lesser extent Delaware.  This is beside the fact that this is a totally subjective, superficial, illogical criteria for this project.  So make some argument about the native voting population, or for the water resources after some catyclism but stop with the "wide open spaces" argument because it is just as valid for the east coast states as it is for the West coast ones.
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Re:Delaware Report
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2002, 01:18:29 pm »

The only critcism I have of this report is that it totally ignores what I feel is Delaware's far and away strongest point that truely distingushes it from all other states.

That is that it has bar none absolute best availability of jobs coupled with almost the tiniest voting population.  Like I said in 1994 (or 1998 I forget) it had a smaller voting population than Wyoming.  The availabilty of jobs within commuting distance of Delaware I think hasn't been represented in this article.
-Eddie
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