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Diversity Rating
« on: August 08, 2003, 04:50:16 pm »

Some may think that members after the move will be open minded and become accustomed to their new environment and lifestyle. This may be true, but realistically there will be many who will not be open- minded and will not get adjusted to the challenges of living a different lifestyle that they have been accustomed to since birth. It is just human nature.

For every person that you may know that has grown accustomed to a different lifestyle, I can name ten people who did not. Not everybody is built the same, not everybody is that strong and we cannot expect people to do so for the rest of their lives, because it would be plain selfish. Imagine, the rest of our lives.

We really need a state that will accommodate everyone’s needs for the long term success of our cause, without it all will be lost and hope will be dampened as people move back from which they came.
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Re:Diversity Rating
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2003, 04:59:59 pm »

So...I assume you are recommending Delaware here(mild weather)?


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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2003, 05:04:52 pm »

No not particularly, but it sure helps the people from the southern regions don't you think.
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Re:Diversity Rating
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2003, 05:25:45 pm »

Delaware weather is nice, and there are some nice rural areas, but there are some problems with entrenched statism.  Gun laws in particular, IIRC.


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Re:Diversity Rating
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2003, 11:14:40 pm »

Delaware weather is nice, and there are some nice rural areas, but there are some problems with entrenched statism.  Gun laws in particular, IIRC.


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Exactly, I would move to DE if it was selected.  However, I would wait almost the full 5 years after we reach 20,000 on until the gun laws were changed (that is, if they were changed before the 5 year limit).  Living is a place as dangerous as DE and not being able to carry a gun to defend myself is almost insane to me.

However, the Climate Report # agrees, DE does have the best climate of the 10 states and I am from the South and THAT IS A PLUS.  However, I care more about my life and property than the weather.

If DE had Alaskan Carry  :) , 10 times the space, 50% less statists, and was not near DC or Maryland (some people do not understand how bad Maryland is.  Maryland is almost as bad as Massachusetts), it would be my favorite state.  
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2003, 11:49:17 pm »

Come on freedom, I've been over these issues before, let's not repeat words please. Most of these are stereotypes of Delaware. If you would like to debate these with me then pull up the threads that I have them in. This thread has nothing to do with those topics and would like to keep from traying to far from the topic at hand.

Don't get me wrong, I actually really appreciate the negative posts you post against Delaware, because it offers me the opportunity to explain the benefits of Delaware every time you do and I'm grateful that you do. Thank you.
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2003, 01:03:08 am »

This thread has nothing to do with those topics and would like to keep from traying to far from the topic at hand.

You are right.  I am sorry.

I will try to talk about the topic at hand.  However, I say try because I really do not know what you are talking about by the words 'diversity rating.'  I do not see where you mention what that means in this thread.  Does it have to do with the vast numbers of rich whites in DE?  The large getto culture?  The flocking of elderly (retired) people to DE (and the hopes that they can be activists for us because they don't work?), the large number of terrible schools, a handful of people that practice East Asian religions in DE?

From what I can tell, DE has the most diverse ethnic make-up of the states and one of the most diverse religious make-ups.  I really do not know about the age question.  I know that AK has the youngest population and ND has the oldest.  Also, I hear that the populations of ME, SD, WY (and now DE) are getting older.  I bet DE has the largest diversity in town crime rates.  

When it comes to landscape and living areas, MT, WY, and ID are the most diverse.

Another neat thing about DE is that different people and different source group it with differnet regions of the county.  Normally, DE is considered back of the Mid-Atlantic states.  However, some strange sources even consider it part of New England, as a NH supporter pointed out to me.  Also, from time to time a source considers DE a part of the South.  The only other states that I know to be a part of two regions are ID and SD.  Depending on where you look, part of ID might be considered to be in the Northwest; whereas, ID is normally considered to be a part of the Mountain-west.  SD breaks in two, where one section is in the Midwest and the other is in the Mountain-west.
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Re:Diversity Rating
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2003, 07:15:35 pm »

Any potential FSP activism has to be willing to sacrifice a lot of time and effort to make any political gains in the Free State. I think that the willingness to move to a new place provides a good litmus test for our members. If someone isn't willing to deal with some snow in the winter, how likely is it that they'll be williong to deal with slimy politicians, caustic editorials, hostile socialists, and slow progress?

A great many people are willing to move to totally different environments for the sake of better jobs. If freedom isn't more of a motivator than a job for someone, then I think they ought to reevaluate their intentions before signing up with the FSP.
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Re:Diversity Rating
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2003, 08:33:48 pm »

Here's something I posted in the 'More and Other Criteria' thread back in January:


Demographics
As of April 2001:

(loosely ranked by difference)

Minorities, population diversity:
AK Amer Ind 16%, Black 4%, Asian 4%, Hisp 3%, Other 1%
DE Black 17%, Hisp 2%, Asian 1%, Other 1%
WY Hisp 6%, Other 2%, Amer Ind 2%, Black 1%, Asian 1%
ID Hisp 5%, Other 3%, Amer Ind 1%, Asian 1%
MT Amer Ind 6%, Hisp 2%, Asian 1%
SD Amer Ind 7%, Hisp 1%
ND Amer Ind 4%, Hisp 1%, Black 1%, Asian 1%
NH Hisp 1%, Asian 1%, Black 1%
VT Hisp 1%, Asian 1%
ME Hisp 1%, Asian 1%


Housing:                                                       Seasoned Citizens:
ME Own 75%, Rent 25%, Homeless <.1%        AK 65 and over 4%
DE Own 73%, Rent 27%, Homeless <.1%        WY 65 and over 10%
VT Own 73%, Rent 27%, Homeless <.1%        NH 65 and over 11%
NH Own 73%, Rent 27%, Homeless <.1%        VT 65 and over 12%
ID Own 72%, rent 28%, Homeless <.1%          DE 65 and over 12%
WY Own 71%, Rent 29%, Homeless <.1%        ID 65 and over 12%
ND Own 70%, Rent 29%, Homeless <.1%        ME 65 and over 13%
MT Own 70%, Rent 30%, Homeless <.1%        MT 65 and over 13%
SD Own 69%, Rent 31%, Homeless <.1%        ND 65 and over 14%
AK Own 59%, Rent 40%, Homeless <.1%        SD 65 and over 15%
Families:                                                            
ID Married 62%, Marr/Chdn 32%, Sngl/Chdn 8%            
NH Married 60%, Marr/Chdn 30%, Sngl/Chdn 7%          
WY Married 60%, Marr/Chdn 31%, Sngl/Chdn 8%          
ND Married 59%, Marr/Chdn 30%, Sngl/Chdn 6%            
SD Married 59%, Marr/Chdn 29%, Sngl/Chdn 7%          
ME Married 58%, Marr/Chdn 28%, Sngl/Chdn 8%          
MT Married 58%, Marr/Chdn 28%, Sngl/Chdn 8%          
DE Married 56%, Marr/Chdn 26%, Sngl/Chdn 9%            
VT Married 56%, Marr/Chdn 28%, Sngl/Chdn 8%            
AK Married 56%, Marr/Chdn 34%, Sngl/Chdn 11%          


Also, from time to time a source considers DE a part of the South.  The only other states that I know to be a part of two regions are ID and SD.  Depending on where you look, part of ID might be considered to be in the Northwest; whereas, ID is normally considered to be a part of the Mountain-west.  SD breaks in two, where one section is in the Midwest and the other is in the Mountain-west.
 Hmm. . .good observation.
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Re:Diversity Rating
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2003, 10:28:24 pm »

Here's something I posted in the 'More and Other Criteria' thread back in January:


Demographics
As of April 2001:

(loosely ranked by difference)

Minorities, population diversity:
AK Amer Ind 16%, Black 4%, Asian 4%, Hisp 3%, Other 1%
DE Black 17%, Hisp 2%, Asian 1%, Other 1%
WY Hisp 6%, Other 2%, Amer Ind 2%, Black 1%, Asian 1%
ID Hisp 5%, Other 3%, Amer Ind 1%, Asian 1%
MT Amer Ind 6%, Hisp 2%, Asian 1%
SD Amer Ind 7%, Hisp 1%
ND Amer Ind 4%, Hisp 1%, Black 1%, Asian 1%
NH Hisp 1%, Asian 1%, Black 1%
VT Hisp 1%, Asian 1%
ME Hisp 1%, Asian 1%


Housing:                                                       Seasoned Citizens:
ME Own 75%, Rent 25%, Homeless <.1%        AK 65 and over 4%
DE Own 73%, Rent 27%, Homeless <.1%        WY 65 and over 10%
VT Own 73%, Rent 27%, Homeless <.1%        NH 65 and over 11%
NH Own 73%, Rent 27%, Homeless <.1%        VT 65 and over 12%
ID Own 72%, rent 28%, Homeless <.1%          DE 65 and over 12%
WY Own 71%, Rent 29%, Homeless <.1%        ID 65 and over 12%
ND Own 70%, Rent 29%, Homeless <.1%        ME 65 and over 13%
MT Own 70%, Rent 30%, Homeless <.1%        MT 65 and over 13%
SD Own 69%, Rent 31%, Homeless <.1%        ND 65 and over 14%
AK Own 59%, Rent 40%, Homeless <.1%        SD 65 and over 15%
Families:                                                            
ID Married 62%, Marr/Chdn 32%, Sngl/Chdn 8%            
NH Married 60%, Marr/Chdn 30%, Sngl/Chdn 7%          
WY Married 60%, Marr/Chdn 31%, Sngl/Chdn 8%          
ND Married 59%, Marr/Chdn 30%, Sngl/Chdn 6%            
SD Married 59%, Marr/Chdn 29%, Sngl/Chdn 7%          
ME Married 58%, Marr/Chdn 28%, Sngl/Chdn 8%          
MT Married 58%, Marr/Chdn 28%, Sngl/Chdn 8%          
DE Married 56%, Marr/Chdn 26%, Sngl/Chdn 9%            
VT Married 56%, Marr/Chdn 28%, Sngl/Chdn 8%            
AK Married 56%, Marr/Chdn 34%, Sngl/Chdn 11%          


Also, from time to time a source considers DE a part of the South.  The only other states that I know to be a part of two regions are ID and SD.  Depending on where you look, part of ID might be considered to be in the Northwest; whereas, ID is normally considered to be a part of the Mountain-west.  SD breaks in two, where one section is in the Midwest and the other is in the Mountain-west.
 Hmm. . .good observation.
And what all this got to do with anything?
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Re:Diversity Rating
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2003, 12:50:46 am »

And what all this got to do with anything?

Read FreedomRoad's comments above, this thread was already going nowhere before that.  
I just decided to throw out a few facts with actual numbers where he makes some guesses.

Now, the real question is, what is the point of this thread?
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2003, 01:37:34 am »

Here's something I posted in the 'More and Other Criteria' thread back in January:


Demographics
As of April 2001:

(loosely ranked by difference)

Minorities, population diversity:
AK Amer Ind 16%, Black 4%, Asian 4%, Hisp 3%, Other 1%
DE Black 17%, Hisp 2%, Asian 1%, Other 1%

OK, so I am wrong.  AK is the most diverse state (ethnicly) and DE is the 2nd most diverse.
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2003, 01:04:54 pm »

MY POINT

I was the 2,4??th member when I signed onto this project and only passively participated in the discussion boards in the beginning. I generally just read what people wrote, but never actively participated. As the months drew on, I taken a notice at the reluctance of many people from the major cities to sign on for fear they would end up in a place totally opposite from where they grew accustomed too. This problem was presented many times by these reluctant people in the board only to have a blind eye turned to them.

Now it is true, all our fine states have many differences among them as has been revealed in this board, but there is one commonality among all 10 of our states share and that is they all have rural space onto which people who grew up in such an environment can live and prosper (They all have towns as well).

Now it is easy for someone from a rural or small city to sit back and criticize these people for not being hardcore enough to move for the common cause of freedom. Some may even say we all have to rough it and give some comfort up in return for freedom. But what these people do not realize is that people coming from major cities aren’t just giving up a little luxury, but everything they’ve ever known and loved. More so than any other group of people taken on the task of moving. People from small cities or even mid-sized cities can never understand the energy of living in a major city. It’s the kind of energy that can never be copied by any of our largest populated cities of the 10 considered states. In fact, it can be down right smothering without it.

Just try to put yourself in their place, could you imagine yourself living in New York City for the rest of your life. That’s asking a lot from someone who lived their entire life in a small town of 600 or even 100,000. This person would eventually feel suffocated from all the noise and the people consistently surrounding him/her. This person would eventually lose focus on the purpose at hand and revert back to where he or she came from. It’s the same thing for someone from a major city moving to the sticks, only opposite.

Believe it or not, there are many people who actually thrive in this high-energy environment and cannot see themselves in any other kind of lifestyle but this. Put these people in a low energy slow paced environment like Billings or Fargo and the like and they too will be like a fish out of the water longing to swim again. I feel sorry for the poor unsuspecting fool from a major metropolis who ends up in the sticks without some kind of comfort of home. Rural people don’t have to worry; they have some of that assurance of home in all of our 10 states. It doesn’t matter how dedicated you think you are to our cause, if the tides were turned you too would eventually fail and give up.

Does your state support a diversified environment for all our members in which to live in? Does it have a decent sized major populated city near your largest populated city in your state? Be honest with yourself. Try to put yourself in someone else’s shoes. This question is another very important factor we should consider for the long-term success of all our current and future members.

Let me explain something to you all reading this post; personally, I really do not care if Delaware is selected as our state to be. To be frank with you, I have no ties to this state nor do I have any self-interests. I’m not an IT guy or any professional person if you will. I’m just a lowly janitor; I can find work anywhere I move to and I won’t be downgrading myself by doing so. I’ve experienced and lived every type of environment one can possibly imagine from one extreme to another. I’ve resided in the northeast, the south, the deep south, and the plains region of the west. I know what it is like to live out in the west, so no one can tell me otherwise. In fact, my wife’s from Nebraska where her entire family resides, so I don’t even mind living in South Dakota or Wyoming. These states are right next door to Nebraska and I would like nothing better but to bring my wife closer to them.

So why do I bother supporting an underdog like Delaware? Truth is I’m not doing it for me; I’m doing it for everyone else, but me and most of all, I’m doing it for the long-term success and common good of our cause. Delaware is more than great economics, or an easy win, it a place in which each and every one of us can have some reminisce of back home. If any interests I have, it is in the survival of this project and the way I see it for every action in life there is an equal and greater reaction. Once one domino falls the rest will come tumbling down.  

This will be my last new thread I will be posting on Delaware, for I've said all I wanted to say about Delaware. The rest I leave up to fate.  












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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2003, 06:52:09 pm »

This last winter while winter storms were raging, I was a definite Delaware fan, though eventually, I could never find enough reason to justify thinking of it ahead of a few other states, still, it's a good state, and it certainly has something for everyone, especially the hard-core city people.  I used to work in the same office with a guy from New York City while in Salt Lake City.  After only about two months, he found Salt Lake much too small to feel comfortable in, something I still don't understand, but I can certainly see what he is saying, having visited New York.
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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2003, 08:10:56 pm »

guy777

your last(?) post on picking DE for the urbanites who will never acclimate to the country is the sort of totally original thinking I have been hoping to find here !

Though it might lead one to selecting DE as his first choice, there might be another conclusion from the same premise or maybe even some other totally new concept that might actually enable us to find a place acceptable to us all .

I must admit Ive been through DE a million times but never really seen it, given I was on on I-95. Your new concept caused me to study the DE reports and both Jasons and Bill Shields were especially interesting .

Can you really buy a three bedroom house for $80K that close to the cities?  ::)

The reports do howver tend to ignore the fact that, though DE is small in population, probably because of the recent growth, they project sizeable growth in the future.

Keep plugging for DE and coming up with such great new ideas !

Peter
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