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The Real Truth About Delaware
« on: August 02, 2003, 12:27:44 am »

This what Porcupines get if Delaware gets elected:

* Low voting population. 1994 had lower voting population than Wyoming. :)

* Tied with Wyoming in homeschooling ;)

* The most Jobs second highest concentration of scientists  and  engineers in the United States. :D

* ranked among the top 5 states in the nation when it  comes to the number of patents issued per 100,000. ;D

* Most fortune 500 companies 8)

* Highest income for farmers in nation :)

* Sixth most urban state in the nation ;)

* Eighth most rural in the nation :D

* Best climate of the 10 states ;D

* Best Beaches of the states that have any beaches  (warm water)  8)

* Easy accessibility to one third of the entire population of the nation for recruitment ::)

* Easiest move for one third of the entire population of the nation. :)

* Stratgically the best location for the 2nd Las Vegas, since it is near one third of population of nation. ;)

* According to rankings released Sept. 7 in U.S. News and World Report’s special issue "America's Best Colleges 2002." University of Delaware ranks 24th among the top 50 public national universities :D

* UD’s Department of Chemical Engineering was ranked fifth in the nation in a list of top engineering specialty programs also featured in the publication ;D

* Cheapest gas of the 10 states 8)

* Closest of the 10 states being considered to a major city. ::)

* Access to subway train to Philadelphia for those who don’t have or want a vehicle. :)


* Second lowest population of the states being considered east of the Mississippi river. ;)

*Second lowest state percentage of people below poverty :D

* No State or local general sales tax.  ;D

* No personal property or inventory taxes. 8)

* Real property taxes are among the lowest in the country. ::)

* Corporate income tax credits and reduction of gross receipts taxes for new and expanded businesses. :)

* Additional tax credits on corporate income and reduction of gross receipt taxes for new and expanding businesses locating in 30 targeted census tracts. ;)

* Property tax relief for new construction and improvements of existing property. ;)

* The exemption of certain investment and holding companies from corporate income tax. :D

* The adherence of the State tax structure to the federal definition of corporate net income so that companies may take full advantage of any federal tax law change, such as more rapid depreciation of newly purchased assets. ;D

* Two approved foreign trade zones will allow the deferment of import taxes. 8)

* Public Utility Tax rebates of 50% on increased consumption for qualifying industries,  and reduced rate for manufacturers and agricultural processors. ::)

* Accelerated experience ratings for new employers.
History of Disloyality :)

* Fusion ;)

* Only three counties to control :D

* Delaware is evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans, making it easier for a third party to prevail by grabbing as little as 33%.  An entrenched RP or DP would be much harder to displace. ;D

* Some of the richest soil of the 10 states. 8)

* Tied for first with Idaho in longest growing season for crops ::)

* Potential for expanding into eastern Maryland, since Maryland is bankrupt and the people in eastern Maryland want out. :)

* Total % U.S. Exports (Origin of Movement) via our states = #2 of our 10 states. Alaska and Vermont tie for first. ;)

* Most religious diversity – Delaware has all most of the religious faiths including Judaism, Buddhism, and Muslim
Most lifestyle diversity-Something for everyone (There truly is!) :D

* Access to the most airports within driving distance than all other 10 states ;D

* The least restrictive of the 10 on gambling laws. 8)

* 80% of the entire population of Delaware in concentrated in the Wilmington and Dover metro areas leaving most of the rest of the state free from people. :)

* 23 museums ;)

* In 1776 at the time of the Declaration of Independence, Delaware not only declared itself free from the British Empire, but also established a state government entirely separate from Pennsylvania. :D

* When the new Constitution was submitted to the states for ratification, Delaware was the first of the thirteen original states to ratify the Constitution of the United States. ;D

* Motto: Liberty and Independence 8)

* 2nd least government employees ::)

* Least federally owned land :)

* Most economic freedom ;)

* Ties with Wyoming on low Percentage of NEA/AFT Members :D

* 2nd Low Federal Dependence ;D

* All  of  the  cities  and  towns  in  the  State  are  independent, incorporated  municipalities. 8)

* Delaware's strategic location permits international easy access to the United States marketplace, the largest in the world. ::)

* Delaware's location affords easy access to the major metropolitan areas of the Northeast, with both New York City and Washington , DC just an hour and a half away by car. :)

* The United States Census indicates Delaware is the sixth least populated state in the country, with approximately 793,000 people calling the First State their home. ;)  

* In the last decade, 63,801 net new jobs have been created in the Delaware economy, a 19 percent increase. :D

* Variety of living environments: Wilmington (550,000) a metro of Philadelphia for big city slickers, Dover (135,000) for city folk who like city amenities, but don’t care for  the hustle and bustle of big city living, and southern Delaware for the rural people who enjoy the open spaces. ;D

* Access to some of the most historial sites in the country - Independence Hall, Betsy Ross house, Benjamin Franklin, and the list goes on and on. Good way to reignite the independent spirit. :-*

* "The Diamond State": Thomas Jefferson gave this nickname to Delaware, according to legend, because he described Delaware as a "jewel" among states due to its strategic location on the Eastern Seaboard. 8)


This is the Porcupines if Delaware doesn't get elected:

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Re:The Real Truth About Delaware
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2003, 02:56:54 am »


* Tied with Wyoming in homeschooling ;)
In a homeschooling thread I ranked all 10 states based on the state laws.  

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=1110
Here are the rankings,
1. Alaska
2. Idaho
3. Wyoming
4. Montana
5. Delaware
6. South Dakota
7. New Hampshire
8. Maine
9. Vermont
10. North Dakota

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* Sixth most urban state in the nation ;)

* Eighth most rural in the nation :D

Logic says that cannot be true.

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* Best Beaches of the states that have any beaches  (warm water)  8)

All of the states have beaches (though some of them are on lakes)
Some of the beaches of ID, MT, WY, and SD get warm during the summer.
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* Only three counties to control :D

Almost everyone to comment on this issue thinks that having at least 1 county with very few people is a must.  States with such a county are AK, WY, MT, ID, ND, SD, and VT.  ME, NH, and DE do not have such a county.  It would be easier to take over a county with 2,200 people in WY than a county with 160,000 in DE.

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* Potential for expanding into eastern Maryland, since Maryland is bankrupt...
What could happen is that these same people that screwed up MD could move into DE.  Likewise, the people that screwed up NJ or PA or VA could move into DE.  I think a socialist is a lot less likely to travel a large distance to move to a good state (like WY, SD, or NH) than a libertarian.  In other words, it is better to not be near 1/3 of the US population as these people will likely move in and destroy the Free State.

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* Most religious diversity – Delaware has all most of the religious faiths including Judaism, Buddhism, and Muslim
Most lifestyle diversity-Something for everyone (There truly is!) :D

I know Wyoming also has something for people that practice Judaism or Islam.  However, I have no clue how you are defining religious diversity.  I clearly state how I define it in the Wyoming Report 2, http://www.freestateproject.org/wyoming2.htm .
I ranked them,
WY, ID, MT, NH, DE, ME, VT, SD, ND

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* The least restrictive of the 10 on gambling laws. 8)
I am not sure where you got this.  As far as I know, South Dakota is the least restrictive.  It has likely 50 or more casinos and 3 types of lotteries.

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* 23 museums ;)

That is a very small number.  Wyoming has three towns that each have 6 or more museums.  Overall, Wyoming likely has 75-100 museums.  Other states might have even more.

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* Most economic freedom ;)
There is likely one report which states that.  However, most of the reports rate WY, SD, and ID as the top three states and DE next.

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* Delaware's location affords easy access to the major metropolitan areas of the Northeast, with both New York City and Washington , DC just an hour and a half away by car. :)
To say that NYC is just an hour and a half away is stretching it.  For example, during rush hour it can take over 2 hours just to drive though cities like Atlanta or St. Louis.  I have never been to Philly (except the airport) but being that it is much larger than Atlanta or St. Louis, I would think it would take at least 2 hours to drive though the city during rush hour.  Add another hour to reach NYC and you have 3 hours to just get to NYC.  If you figure that it can take 4 hours to just drive though the city (that's what it took my stepdad), it could take much longer.  

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* The United States Census indicates Delaware is the fourth least populated state in the country, with approximately 793,000 people calling the First State their home. ;)  

WY, AK, ND, VT, and SD all have less people.  That makes DE number 6.

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Any Questions?

Having made all of those changes, I still am glad that you put your list together.  I wish you would change several of the things but the idea is sound and I wish other state supporters would do it.  I know NH and WY have also done it.  There are several small lists for AK and Exitus even did one for ID (but I am not sure how much he supports that state).

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Re:The Real Truth About Delaware
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2003, 07:21:54 am »

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* Sixth most urban state in the nation ;)

* Eighth most rural in the nation :D

Logic says that cannot be true.


Not necessarily. Obviously this data is drawn from percentages of land area, 'cuz CA would rank right up there on any rural scale, despite being the most populous state.
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Re:The Real Truth About Delaware
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2003, 10:45:38 am »

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* Sixth most urban state in the nation ;)

* Eighth most rural in the nation :D

Logic says that cannot be true.


Not necessarily. Obviously this data is drawn from percentages of land area, 'cuz CA would rank right up there on any rural scale, despite being the most populous state.

Logic says that if a state is the 8th most rural than it has to be the 42nd (give or take) most urban.

Likewise, logic says that if a state is the 6th most urban than it has to be the 44th (give or take) most rural.

I am not using exact rankings because I do not know if DC was figured into these rankings.
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Re:The Real Truth About Delaware
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2003, 11:26:10 am »

Logic says that if a state is the 8th most rural than it has to be the 42nd (give or take) most urban.

Likewise, logic says that if a state is the 6th most urban than it has to be the 44th (give or take) most rural.

I am not using exact rankings because I do not know if DC was figured into these rankings.

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I don't feel like arguing. Would the person responsible for supplying this data to the board kindly cite a source so we can all look at the raw data ourselves?
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Re:The Real Truth About Delaware
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2003, 12:23:07 pm »

Logic says that if a state is the 8th most rural than it has to be the 42nd (give or take) most urban.

Likewise, logic says that if a state is the 6th most urban than it has to be the 44th (give or take) most rural.

I am not using exact rankings because I do not know if DC was figured into these rankings.

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I don't feel like arguing. Would the person responsible for supplying this data to the board kindly cite a source so we can all look at the raw data ourselves?

I cannot see why there would be any need to agrue over this.  In your previous post you were talking about something unrelated to what I talked about.

I also think the info is correct but not logical.  2 people can look at two 100% different sets of data in different ways and get entirely different results.  That is what happened here.

Guy777 was correct in his statements but wreckless.  
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Re:The Real Truth About Delaware
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2003, 12:33:51 pm »

I also think the info is correct but not logical.  2 people can look at two 100% different sets of data in different ways and get entirely different results.  That is what happened here.

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You're assuming that the totals (urban + rural) add up to 100%. The data may have other categories, such as parks, federal land, etc.... We won't know that unless we get a first hand look at the data.
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Re:The Real Truth About Delaware
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2003, 12:41:37 pm »

I also think the info is correct but not logical.  2 people can look at two 100% different sets of data in different ways and get entirely different results.  That is what happened here.

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You're assuming that the totals (urban + rural) add up to 100%. The data may have other categories, such as parks, federal land, etc.... We won't know that unless we get a first hand look at the data.

I did not assume anything.  According to logic, if the same person looked at only one set of data that would be true.  However, I know different people were looking at different data in the above rankings so the numbers should not follow logic.
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Re:The Real Truth About Delaware
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2003, 01:58:02 pm »

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In a homeschooling thread I ranked all 10 states based on the state laws.

Notice how your analysis is bias and can be subject to different interpretation based on one's own state's preference. First off, Delaware has 2 options giving Delaware more room for choice as opposed to Wyomings. Furthermore, Delaware has more of a free range of age with 5 - 16 years and Wyoming lacks 2 years with 7 - 16 years. The rest is the same with the exception of the notice with Delaware being only a tad bit stricter in this respect, but not much. Therefore, on my analysis I judge Delaware to be ahead of Wyoming.

However, for all intents and purposes I believe we should just stick with the map the HSLDA has supplied to the public and judge by their rankings as such, so that we may be bias free; that being Alaska and Idaho tied for first and MT, Wyoming, and Delaware tied for 2nd.

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All of the states have beaches (though some of them are on lakes)
Some of the beaches of ID, MT, WY, and SD get warm during the summer.
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* Sixth most urban state in the nation

* Eighth most rural in the nation


Logic says that cannot be true.

Wolverine307 hit it on the nose once again by stating, "Not necessarily. Obviously this data is drawn from percentages of land area".

This source is from the state government of Delaware, you can look it up yourself. 86 percent of the entire population of Delaware is concentrated in the metro of Wilmington and Dover so logic would tell you that the rest of Delaware is very rural.

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All of the states have beaches (though some of them are on lakes)
Some of the beaches of ID, MT, WY, and SD get warm during the summer.

You call those beaches? I sorry there is simply no comparison between a real beach shore and a lake. Anyone who has ever grew up one near the ocean would say the same.

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Almost everyone to comment on this issue thinks that having at least 1 county with very few people is a must.

Who everyone in the west? Less counties is best.

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What could happen is that these same people that screwed up MD could move into DE.  Likewise, the people that screwed up NJ or PA or VA could move into DE.  I think a socialist is a lot less likely to travel a large distance to move to a good state (like WY, SD, or NH) than a libertarian.  In other words, it is better to not be near 1/3 of the US population as these people will likely move in and destroy the Free State.

Your thinking is entirely wrong on this subject. People move for better living conditions, not to live in worse conditions. The people who move to Delaware would move for freedom, so it would be silly for these people to try and change it for the worse. If they were a statist then they would not move to Delaware if it was the opposite ideal of what they thought to be ideal. They would just move to another state of statist ideals or stay where they were. Why would a person who was against hemp want to live around a bunch of people who smoke it on a regular bases in a state where it was just legalized?  People by nature tend to congregate together by similar culture and ideals, the evidence is all around us.

Also, your assumption that everyone around this area is a statist is a false presumption. Not everyone that lives around this area is a statist and it is prejudice to believe so. If what you were saying were true then there would be absolutely no members from these states joining our cause. And if there were, they would not travel to live in the western states. Actually, there are many who will be willing who are members from this area to move to the west. But if we really want to stereotype people then I'd have to say the westerners will have more of a hard time moving east than the easterners west, but that another discussion.

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I know Wyoming also has something for people that practice Judaism or Islam.  However, I have no clue how you are defining religious diversity.

Where does it show in the link Wyoming's Judaism and Islam religon's. As far as I can see Wyoming has the #1 christian diversity not real diversity. We can't assume all our members will be christians and from what I understand there is a pretty large # of Jewish members. Delaware satisfies all the main religions of the world. If you need a link for it I'll post it.

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As far as I know, South Dakota is the least restrictive.  It has likely 50 or more casinos and 3 types of lotteries.


Deadwood is the only town that has any real gambling, the rest is these tiny sometimes dumpy slot machine establishments if you can call what they have in these places slot machines. Deadwood only has Limited card games and slot machines authorized within City of Deadwood. Delaware has this and sports gaming. An option that will be very hard to pass in South Dakota, because of federal laws. Moreover, Delaware is cashing in so much money from it's neighboring states that they are considering loosing it's gambling laws even further I hear.

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That is a very small number.  Wyoming has three towns that each have 6 or more museums.  Overall, Wyoming likely has 75-100 museums.  Other states might have even more.

I wasn't comparing it to the other states. If the numbers seem low it is because the people of Delaware don't need much in the way of museums when there is probably 10 times more museums in Philadelphia than Wyoming they could visit. After all Philadelaphia is only a hop, skip, and a jump away from Wilmington. Some of these musuems are world class I might add and Delawarians don't need to travel over 100 miles to get to them as in Wyoming.

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There is likely one report which states that.

Yeah, the main report of the freestateproject, the one that counts the most.

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To say that NYC is just an hour and a half away is stretching it.  For example, during rush hour it can take over 2 hours just to drive though cities like Atlanta or St. Louis.

Listen, I’m going by viable sources, not assumptions. But I can give you my own personal experience if you need this also; I currently live about 70 miles from New York City and I can travel from my city to Manhattan in an hour. Yes, on occasion I can run into traffic during rush hour, but a person can avoid this. For the most part this is an accurate picture.

http://www.state.de.us/dedo/new_web_site/frames/Location.html

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WY, AK, ND, VT, and SD all have less people.  That makes DE number 6.

Only thing I see you are correct on. My source was a little outdated, sorry. Goes to show the trials ahead of us if a state in the middle of no where is selected in getting people to move there. I will update it in my post. 6th is still good however.


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Re:The Real Truth About Delaware
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2003, 06:26:06 pm »


* Sixth most urban state in the nation ;)

* Eighth most rural in the nation :D
Logic says that cannot be true.




Not necessarily. Obviously this data is drawn from percentages of land area, 'cuz CA would rank right up there on any rural scale, despite being the most populous state.
Logic says that if a state is the 8th most rural than it has to be the 42nd (give or take) most urban.

Likewise, logic says that if a state is the 6th most urban than it has to be the 44th (give or take) most rural.

I am not using exact rankings because I do not know if DC was figured into these rankings.


Not necessarily, they can be two separate data domains being compared.  I think wolverine307 and guy777 are right to question this assumption.

It is like the oft-repeated saying, "20% of the people do 80% of the work", it can also be true that 50% of the people do 70% of the work, the two sets don't necessarily correspond and therefore don't have to add up to 100%.

As to the whole rural/urban divide, please remember that we can find rural locales in all of our candidate states. . .


"All cities and towns in the U.S. occupy just 3% of the nation's land. Only 4.6% of California, the nation's most populated state, is urbanized."
-- Environment & Climate News March 2001
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Re:The Real Truth About Delaware
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2003, 10:15:37 pm »

Logic says that if a state is the 8th most rural than it has to be the 42nd (give or take) most urban.

I would guess that ratings mentioned are trifurcated: rural, suburban, urban.  So it would be possible to have a high ranking on two of three; it would mean the other is very low.  Perhaps DE has very little by way of suburbia.
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Re:The Real Truth About Delaware
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2003, 02:07:31 pm »

You call those beaches? I sorry there is simply no comparison between a real beach shore and a lake. Anyone who has ever grew up one near the ocean would say the same.

I agree, the feeling of being by a nice ocean beach and that of a reservoir or small lake are much different.

Save this guide if we ever move to Idaho:
Idaho's Best Beaches
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