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Land/Homes for sale in NH for Reasonable Cost!!!
« on: July 02, 2003, 01:37:46 am »

From realtor.com

This list is intended to be representative, not all-inclusive.  This list is provided in response to a request for homes with land; thus, it is important to keep in mind that homes on smaller lots are available for less than the amounts listed; a quality home can be found in Berlin, NH, for less than $100K.

Land Only:

6.5 acres in Eastman, NH $9,500
7.1 acres in Unity, NH $12,900
8.4 acres in Newport, NH $14,000
5.89 acres in Groton, NH $17,000
5.25 acres in Jefferson, NH $18,900
6.43 acres in Lancaster, NH $19,900
47 acres in Northumberland, NH $19,900
15 acres in Stark, NH $19,900
20 acres in Washington, NH $20,000
5 acres in Milan, NH $25,000
5 acres (with decrepit home) in Dummer, NH $26,900
5.24 acres in Milan, NH in Milan, NH $27,900
9.7 acres in Whitefield, NH $29,900
32 acres in Newport, NH $32,000
14 acres in Milan, NH $35,000
60.4 acres in Northumberland, NH $39,000
21.19 acres in Stark, NH (waterfront) $45,000
43 acres in Lancaster, NH $45,000
141 acres in Stark, NH $137,500

With Home

5 acres in Stewartstown, NH, 2 BR, $39,000
9.4 acres in Grafton, NH 2 BR $49,500
9.8 acres in Stewartstown, NH 1 BR, 1 Bath $49,900
7 acres in Charlestown, NH 2 Br, 1 Bath $74,900
12.02 acres in Colebrook, NH waterfront 3 BR 1 bath $75,000
16.72 acres in Lancaster NH 3 BR, 1 Bath, $79,900
7.11 acres in Jefferson, NH, 4 BR, 2 Bath, $99,500
5 acres in Sutton, NH, 1BR, 1 Bath, $109,900
7.6 acres in Stark, NH (waterfront) 2 BR, 1 Bath $109,000
8.1 acres in Whitefield NH, 3 BR, 2 Bath, $109,000
11.9 acres in Colebrook, NH, 2 BR, 2 Bath $109,500
5.05 acres in Pittsburg, NH, Waterfront farmhouse, 5 Br, 2 Bath $115,000
21.6 acres in Cornish, NH 2 BR, 2 Bath $124,900
59.75 acres in Cornish, NH 3 Br, 1.5 Bath $129,900
165 acres in Gorham, NH six bedroom home built in 1867 $144,900
111 acres in Hanover, NH 2 BR, with hot tub $150,000
50 acres in Groveton, NH, 2 BR, 1 bath, historic waterfront home, $179,500


These weren't cherry-picked -- they were chosen at random, a few per page.  If the lot sizes aren't big enough, please let me know and I'll do more research.  Larger amounts of land are available, with and without a home, for slightly larger amounts of money.
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Re:For Jenlee: Land/Homes for sale in NH for Reasonable Cost!!!
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2003, 02:12:41 am »

Keith

All I can say is WOW!!!!  And thank you!

Wonder why I couldn't get this from the same place? I did try it.

These are in the north part of the state? lol Well even if they aren't I am sure the prices would be close to the same.

Give you one guess which I liked the best  ;D  lol

Keith I really do and truly do appreciate this.

I most definitely will do a lot more checking. Especially since I might end up driving around about 17,000 miles or maybe a bit less. Probably less.

One 1 question tho (you knew I would have one didn't you  :)) What is the basic low to high property tax there?
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Re:For Jenlee: Land/Homes for sale in NH for Reasonable Cost!!!
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2003, 02:12:28 pm »

Jen, I noticed in the other thread that you are concerned about where the FSPers will go.  Well, I don't really think that is a problem for any state.  Here's something to look at and ponder: some nifty graphs of the population changes in the USA between the 1990 and the 2000 censuses.

http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/atlas/censr01-103.pdf

In particular check out page 6, which shows the gains in people per county over the 1990-2000 period.  One of the southern counties in NH gained 40000+ pop over that time; another gained between 20000-39999, and a third gained from 10000-19999.  Even if each gained the minimum, that means that over that period of ten years southern NH absorbed 70000 people; and it is probably a lot more.  I would guess there are plenty of construction facilities in place developing south NH.

Meanwhile in the northern county, they lost people - that means that there should be houses and land there unused.
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Re:For Jenlee: Land/Homes for sale in NH for Reasonable Cost!!!
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2003, 03:44:08 pm »


Give you one guess which I liked the best  ;D  lol

These properties were predominantly from the Great North Woods region and from Grafton County, on the Vermont border.  If I had to guess, I would say you liked the same one I did -- the 165 acres in Gorham with the historic home.

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One 1 question tho (you knew I would have one didn't you  :)) What is the basic low to high property tax there?

The statewide property tax in NH is currently $5.80 per $1000.  On top of that you have to add any local tax, which varies from town to town.  Also, the governor has made it one of the chief goals of his administration to lower it even further to $3.00 per $1000 by 2008.

I know, steep, but keep in mind that this is the only tax that most NH residents pay each year, so their overall tax burden is still the lowest in the country.  

George, from Dover, will be happy to tell you that he paid $33 in total property taxes for his 30 acres (no buildings) in 2002.  
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Re:For Jenlee: Land/Homes for sale in NH for Reasonable Cost!!!
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2003, 07:07:40 pm »

6.3 Acres in Westmoreland, NH $7,900

Beautiful Land!!!
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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2003, 09:35:53 pm »

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to lower it even further to $3.00 per $1000 by 2008.
I assume this should be $3.00 per $100, not $1000...
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Re:For Jenlee: Land/Homes for sale in NH for Reasonable Cost!!!
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2003, 09:58:14 pm »

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to lower it even further to $3.00 per $1000 by 2008.
I assume this should be $3.00 per $100, not $1000...

No, it is per $1000.  
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No, it is per $1000.
Wow! Does this goal have any chance of succeeding?
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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2003, 02:56:04 am »

lol Thats right Keith, 165 plus that house!  Very good buy!

Yes the property tax is pretty steep. Even more than I ~cough and snarl~ just paid here. If the tax can be lower, then well darn NH would be just about perfect.

I wish I had time to fly there and look around, really I do. Check the north only out because I had no interest in the south what so ever. Except to visit new friends and maybe get some shopping in.

Oh man I think I might be becoming a hermit  ;)

Thank you very much Keith for all this. I do appreciate it very much.


Give you one guess which I liked the best  ;D  lol

These properties were predominantly from the Great North Woods region and from Grafton County, on the Vermont border.  If I had to guess, I would say you liked the same one I did -- the 165 acres in Gorham with the historic home.

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One 1 question tho (you knew I would have one didn't you  :)) What is the basic low to high property tax there?

The statewide property tax in NH is currently $5.80 per $1000.  On top of that you have to add any local tax, which varies from town to town.  Also, the governor has made it one of the chief goals of his administration to lower it even further to $3.00 per $1000 by 2008.

I know, steep, but keep in mind that this is the only tax that most NH residents pay each year, so their overall tax burden is still the lowest in the country.  

George, from Dover, will be happy to tell you that he paid $33 in total property taxes for his 30 acres (no buildings) in 2002.  
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Re:For Jenlee: Land/Homes for sale in NH for Reasonable Cost!!!
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2003, 01:54:24 pm »

To view some of the New Hampshire real estate that Trevor S. and I looked at, view jpgs 206-235 at http://www.fanaticism.com/NHEscape/index.htm

The land is in Coos county
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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2003, 07:58:02 pm »

Pictures 240, 241 and 242 are like an omen of some sort.... ;D
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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2003, 08:34:20 pm »

Jenlee and others:

I just finished posting more Escape photos from several other people who attended. There are lots of great NH landscape/scenery shots.

With thumbnails:
http://www.lpnh.org/Escape-photos/index.html

As a slideshow:
http://www.lpnh.org/Escape-slides/index.html
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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2003, 11:18:44 pm »

Yes the property tax is pretty steep. Even more than I ~cough and snarl~ just paid here. If the tax can be lower, then well darn NH would be just about perfect.

Yup. but

a) It is your combined state, county (what we HAVE of county Government) and local taxes all wrapped into one.... We live in Keene, a high tax area (for now :D) and we are paying a total of $33/$1000 on the house. Done with all but Fed taxes, and tax on restaurants when you go out to eat, cigarettes (if you smoke) etc.

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b) Having to write two significant checks for your taxes every year MIFFS off the tax-hating people of New Hampshire. IIRC, a paper in Maine said that Maine should be picked for the FSP because it "is near New Hampshire, where taxes are practically evil incarnate". Or words very close to that - I remember the "evil incarnate" bit. :D

Because of this, there are DOZENS of local taxpayers groups working to lower taxes and spending.... They're gonna come to our side the SECOND NH is picked, if we choose New Hampshire.

Despite the property tax, we're still the lowest taxed state in the lower 48. :)

Take care.

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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2003, 11:48:56 pm »

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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2003, 07:43:07 am »

The following was posted on one of the email discussion lists. I'm reposting here for its relevance

<anecdotes>

I've been doing a lot of shopping in the last few weeks, searching through
ads on the internet in New Hampshire, Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho, as I'm
fairly confident the vote is going to go to one of these 4. Most of these
sites post the asking price for the property, the taxes on the property, and
the tax year during which that tax amount was paid. I see a large range of
tax rates in New Hampshire. They don't, however, go much higher than what I
have seen in the other states, and they do in some case go WAY lower than
what I have seen in these other states. So, "sky high" is a bit of an
exaggeration (or "spin," according to Paul.) If one looks at the real world
implications of this, it's not so bad. If you ask the average Granite
Stater about it, though, as I have, you'll find that this is an egregious
affront to their freedom, and a point that a lot are fighting mad over.
This makes for excellent Porcupine-friendly neighbors.

The other thing I'm seeing is that comparable properties of the type in
which I'm interested (setup for 2 families with at least 5 acres, preferably
more than 10) are tending to cost less in New Hampshire. I have a personal
list of ten properties in each state that have met my criteria enough for me
to think, "I'd write the check today if I knew to which state we were
going," and New Hampshire has the lowest average cost and the single lowest
price. Wyoming has the highest single price, and Idaho has the highest
average. All of these properties have either two homes, or a home with a
complete apartment built in; between 8 and 50 acres; and range from $90K to
$200K which is my ceiling on buying an existing house.

See these for examples:
http://www.nneren.com/prop_popup.ihtml?id=100127&area_id=39&nstr=A14&fclass=1&page=1&class=1
in New Hampshire: Selling for $120K, the taxes for 2002
were $1772.76.

http://www.nneren.com/prop_popup.ihtml?id=892030&area_id=57&nstr=A25&fclass=1&page=1&class=1
in New Hampshire: Selling for $179K, 2002 taxes were
$3094.00.

</anecdotes>


<facts and extrapolations>

I also checked out some other sources to get an idea of the realworld tax
situations in these states. http://retireplan.about.com was quite helpful.

To break it down over the whole range as of January, 2002 (courtesy of
Wyoming Taxpayers Association,
http://www.wyotax.org/02FiscalFacts/TaxRatesasofJanuary1%5F2002.PDF) !
demarks extra danger numbers.

Average Property Individual Inc. Sales
(F - food exempted)
Alaska $1.76/$100 0% 0%
Delaware 1.14/100 2.2 to 5.04 0
Idaho 1.26/100 1.6 to 7.8(!) 5
Maine 2.42/100(!) 2 to 8.5(!) 5 F
Montana 1.36/100 2 to 11(!!!) 0
N Dakota 1.91/100 2.67 to 12(!!!!) 5 F
N Hampshire 3.4(!!) 0 0
S Dakota 1.74 2.5 to 7(!) 4
Vermont 2.02(!!) 24% OF Fed(?) 5 F
Wyoming .75/100 0 4

So, if I make $80K/year, own a $120K home outright, and spend about 1/3 of
my income on taxable items (adjusted for food in appropriate states,) then
the cost to live in each state will be about:

Alaska $2112 $0 $0 $2112
Delaware 1368 4032 0 5400
Idaho 1512 6240 1333 9085
Maine 2904 6800 800 10504
Montana 1632 8800 0 10432
N Dakota 2292 9600 800 12692
N Hampshire 4080 0 0 4080
S Dakota 2088 5600 1066 8754
Vermont 2424 2304 800 5528
Wyoming 900 0 1066 1966

(Income tax rates are taken from
http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/ind_inc.html)

Now, assume I'm in New Hampshire and making that $80K/year because I'm
self-employed and I am the only employee. Since DevTech is an LLC and
passes all profits through to me as salary, then the company must pay a .75%
tax on what I'm paid, or $600 per year. That means my real cost for the
privilege of living in and doing business from New Hampshire is a whopping
$4680.

As for New Hampshire's statewide P&Z, the only statewide code I see is RSA
673 (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/indexes/673.html) which
defines how cities and townships MAY issue planning and zoning ordinances,
and sets up the exact rules they must follow when doing so. One thing it
specifies is that the members of the board must be local residents
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LXIV/673/673-1.htm.) Double whammy
against "statewide p&z." Oh, sure, I could use that logic to say that
Montana has statewide gun control laws (Montana has a statewide ban on guns
in schools http://www.mtssa.org/mtlaws.phtml?code=45-8-361+M.C.A. because
trustees of a school *may* allow guns and allows cities a degree of freedom
in regulating firearms use
http://www.mtssa.org/mtlaws.phtml?code=45-8-351+M.C.A. section 2) but I
won't say that because it's just too silly.

</facts and extrapolations>

<commentary>

I can now give you 5,752 reasons why New Hampshire's "sky high property tax"
is insignificant in reality when compared to the cost Montana will exact on
one who attempts success (foraging for roots and berries while squatting on
federal land will have some interesting effects on the numbers I gave
above.) The only two states that hit one up for less on the Big Three taxes
are Alaska and Wyoming. Imagine that! I believe Alaska to be viable for
freedom, but not for 20,000 fresh-faced Porcs due to its remoteness.
Wyoming suffers from the same hurdle but caused by its inability to
financially support the migration and possibly some backlash that we may get
there from the "natives."

I appreciate what the Western states have to offer, but there simply aren't
enough advantages and plenty of disadvantages. New Hampshire has a strong
and growing economy, a political structure that is built for us as
activists, locals dedicated to the pursuit of liberty who are actively
courting us from both inside and outside the current power structure, a
strong pressure to "reform the old, or establish a new government,"
(http://www.state.nh.us/constitution/billofrights.html), open spaces,
mountains, hunting and fishing, roots and berries, cowboy hats and Harley
Davidsons, but above all, the the ability to deliver on this dream we all
share to achieve Liberty in Our Lifetimes.

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