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LisaLew

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« on: June 12, 2003, 10:50:10 am »

So far, I have checked out NH, WY, and VT in the area of education.  All three have standards based education (mastery learning, OBE, what ever you want to call it; it is the same thing).  All three have required state assessments.  The least entrenched assessment system appears to be WY, out of the three mentioned above.  The WY assessment has only been administered since 1998-99 school year, from what it said on ther dept. of ed website.  All three are in the process of complying with NCLB federal legislation.  

I read a NH news article that discussed block scheduling in NH schools is being considered.  Is that across the state or in isolated districts?  

VT had some really scary looking early childhood learning programs and an intrusive "Success by Six" program that is socioeconomically based and includes "parent education" and mandatory in home visits.  Does anyone know much about this program?

Ironically, the company that makes WY assessment is based in NH.

I read some webpages about the NH assessment that mentioned court cases challenging the assessment which were lost.  It was mentioned that the courts made their rulings due to what NH mandates in their constitution in regards to state responsibility toward public education.  Does anyone know anything about this?

I was not able to access the WY Careers education sites from the main dept. of ed site.  Anyone from WY know anything about the WY STW programs?
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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2003, 03:13:46 pm »

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I read some webpages about the NH assessment that mentioned court cases challenging the assessment which were lost.  It was mentioned that the courts made their rulings due to what NH mandates in their constitution in regards to state responsibility toward public education.  Does anyone know anything about this?

Here's a letter I found on the NH Politics website:


LETTERS TO THE EDUCATORS, NO. 2
What the Constitution Actually Says
http://www.mainstream.com/nhpolitics/lte/letter2.shtml

Does the constitution of the State of New Hampshire guarantee the citizens of this state an "adequate" education supported by "adequate" funding? Of course it does. Why? Because the Supreme Court in its two Claremont decisions said so. And as we all know, unless the Constitution is hereafter amended, the word of the Supreme Court is final. On the other hand, except in the sense that might makes right, the Supreme Court is not necessarily right.

Later on he says:

What does all this dictionary jurisprudence amount to? Only that if one is inclined to decide constitutional questions by playing on words, the most that anyone can get out of Article 83, Part I, without rewriting the dictionary is that it directs the Legislature and the Executive to encourage education. In my book, that is just another way of saying that the provision is "hortatory, not mandatory."

Then he concludes:

If all of this is reminiscent of the concept of "doublethink" and its ilk in 1984 and Brave New World, be aware that judges have been doing this for centuries. In a 1717 sermon he was preaching before King George I, Bishop Hoadly of England observed that, "Whoever hath an absolute authority to interpret written or spoken laws, it is he who is truly the lawgiver to all intents and purposes and not the person who wrote or spoke them." Consequently, all that the Supreme Court was doing in the Claremont cases was acting within this ancient (although nor particularly venerable) tradition of rule by judicial fiat. Once that is understood, it becomes clear why the Court feels so confident of our blind obedience. Perhaps it is time for us to challenge the conventional wisdom.
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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2003, 08:34:14 pm »

I was not able to access the WY Careers education sites from the main dept. of ed site.  Anyone from WY know anything about the WY STW programs?

I found some information on Wyoming STW at the following site:

http://doe.state.wy.us/lmi/0797/0797a1.htm

This site also has numerous links you can follow for further information.

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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2003, 10:25:21 am »

Thanks for both replies and links.  I will check them both out.

I have to admit, I have not read all the 1984, but is "double think" kind of like the "newspeak" referred to in the book?  Ed. activists often refer to "newspeak" when talking about the importance of understanding the definition of the words educators and educrats use.  Example:  basic skills.  Parents and much of the general population think reading, writing, and math.  Educators mean attitudes and behaviors that will help the student become a world-class citizen.  

So-- in NH the constitution says one thing, the courts are saying "hey, that is not what is REALLY means.  It means this, and DO IT NOW."
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2003, 12:54:37 pm »

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I have not read all the 1984, but is "double think" kind of like the "newspeak" referred to in the book?

LisaLew,

1984 is a book in which three large Socialist governments take over the world.  Each Socialist government takes over about one-third of the Earth and uses war, patriotism, spying, force, torture, manipulation, and other means to control their populations for decades.

Doublethink is a form of manipulation which is taught from birth.  The people are taught that if their thoughts and memories are inconsistent with those that are spoken by The Party (the dominant Socialist government) then they are supposed to force themselves to believe The Party's version of the truth.

Newspeak is a language being developed by the Socialist government of Oceania which actually decreases in vocabulary with each new release of the dictionary.  This is strongly pursued by the Socialist government in order to remove words from people's vocabularies which can be used to speak about thoughts that The Party does not want people to think.  Vocabulary is destroyed and unnecessary words are combined or replaced with similar words in order to narrow one's ability to think for oneself.  Why?  Because desiring freedom is "thoughtcrime".  Even so much as making a negative face at the video surveillance cameras in your home is a "facecrime".

An example Newspeak is using "double plus good" instead of "very good", in which case you do not need to use the word "very" and can eliminate that specific meaning of the word.

In NH a judge took the word "cherish" from the NH constitution, looked up the word in an 18th-century dictionary, found the definition to be "to support, to shelter, to nurse up", and then used quite a bit of doublethink by saying the word "support" literally means "to subsidize through taxation."

His final conclusion was that "cherish" means "to subsidize through taxation."

The people of NH are understandably pissed off at the double-thinking judge, and people in high places in NH have tried to get the judge impeached (correct me if I'm wrong about this because I'm not entirely sure).
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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2003, 04:06:32 pm »

Thank you for the information.  So double think is more similar to cognative dissonance, which is used to manipulate a person to except  and adopt beliefs and opinions they would not normally accept.  

I have the book-- my friend, who is paring down to make a move, gave it to me.  I need to pull it out and read it.
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2003, 09:11:27 pm »

This problem with the courts seems to be a general one. We will need to figure out what to do about the courts no matter where we end up. This will be a very difficult issue. Perhaps the answer is just to run FSPers for office in Supreme Court positions!  :P

As to OBE, I am of two minds about this. Of course it is bad; but taking it in context, the entire school situation, on all fronts, is a deteriorating one. Lawsuits, zero-tolerance policies, Ritalin, "illegal" drugs, bullying - you name it, things are going down hill. This is (I believe) because our government schools are coming to an end. No matter what they do, things get worse. The school advocates and unions are their own worst enemy.

So in a way, OBE has a bright side. The more OBE and other such things piss off parents, the more they will look for alternatives. There is definitely a silver lining to this cloud.

We have this in Oregon, one of the earliest adopters. It is a mess, parents are having their kids opt out of the testing, the teachers hate it, and they are having to lower standards because half the kids can't pass the tests. All this just makes me smile...

Lisa, maybe you should change the thread title, putting quotation marks around the word "education". I always do that when speaking of what the state provides, because it is an ersatz education, not a real one.
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