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Wyoming wants to stand up to Feds
« on: February 02, 2003, 11:59:12 pm »

Check out:
http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?id=1&display=rednews/2003/01/31/build/wyoming/35-xgr-wolves.inc

The FSP wants to stand up to the feds, WY already is. The jist of the story is that there is a bill in the Legislature to wrestle control of wildlife management (read wolves) away from the Feds.

For those of you who havn't been following this: A few years back the feds introduced Canadian wolves into Yellowstone National Park (in NW WY). The wolve numbers have ballooned and they are spreading. The reason this is an issue is because wolve packs have a tendancy to decemate wildlife and domestic herds. They are a serious threat to the West's main industry, agriculture, and a threat to human safety.

The wolve's have reached numbers to where they can be delisted and management turned over to the states. But first the states must create a management plan. MT and ID did, but WY balked. Instead of taking it from the feds and creating a management plan the enviros would like, they created one which treats the wolves as preditors to be managed (not protected).

This is just another in a long line of battles between environmentalists/feds and the rural West.
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Re:Wyoming stands up to the Feds
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2003, 10:25:11 pm »

Resistance to Federal Government- Wyoming openly and actively resists federal laws.  Many of Wyoming’s citizens think that Wyoming law trumps federal law.  Sometimes the state tries to resist or ignore federal laws, while other times; the state takes the federal government to court.  

1. Wolf case- The United States Department of Interior reintroduced wolves into northwest Wyoming in 1995.  The wolves have caused so much damage and grown in such numbers that they are no longer an endangered species.  Wyoming passed two bills that guarantee farmers and ranchers will be allowed to shoot wolves onsite, hunting of wolves will be encouraged, and the federal government will have to reimburse Wyoming for all damages caused by the wolves.  The Wyoming legislature is sick of the federal government and its lack of foresight before reintroducing the wolves into Wyoming.
http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?id=1&display=rednews/2003/01/31/build/wyoming/35-xgr-wolves.inc and http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?id=1&display=rednews/2003/03/05/build/wyoming/30-wolf-bill.inc

2. Wyoming was the last state in the country to raise the minimum drinking age to twenty-one years of age and did not pass zero tolerance laws until 1998.  Wyoming did not pass a law preventing drivers from drinking while they drive until 2001.  However, this bill did not prevent passengers from drinking.  This law is not in accordance with federal law, which states that the passengers cannot have open containers.  Because Wyoming chose not to follow the federal mandate, it lost some of its federal highway funds.  
How All States Stack Up:
 
Minimum Drinking Age Set to Twenty-one
WY 1988
SD  1988 (but before WY)
MT 1987
ID   1987
VT  1986
NH  1985
ME  1985
AK  1984
DE  1984
ND  1936

Year of Zero Tolerance for Under Twenty-one
WY 1998
SD   1998
VT   1997
ND  1997
AK  1996
MT  1995
DE   1995
ID    1994
NH  1993
ME  1983
 
Source: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/research/FewerYoungDrivers/iii__b.htm

For more information on the issue of drinking and driving in Wyoming read, Why the West has resisted drunken-driving crackdown @ http://csmweb2.emcweb.com/durable/1999/11/15/p2s2.htm .

3. County sheriff in charge- County sheriffs in Wyoming demanded that all federal law enforcement officers and personnel from federal regulatory agencies clear all their activities in a Wyoming county with the Sheriff's Office.  In addition, Wyoming sheriffs demanded to see all of the BATF’s and IRS’s records relating to Wyoming.  Wyoming took the federal government to court and won because it argued that the state was in change based on the 10th Amendment to the United States Constitution.  Sheriff Mattis, the main sheriff representing the Wyoming Sheriffs’ Association, said, “I hope that more sheriffs all across America will join us in protecting their citizens from the illegal activities of the IRS, EPA, BATF, FBI, or any other federal agency that is operating outside the confines of constitutional law.”  The courts ruled,” Wyoming is a sovereign state and the duly elected sheriff of a county is the highest law enforcement official within a county and has law enforcement powers exceeding that of any other state or federal official.”
http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Martial_Law/WyoSheriffs.htm
, http://www.restoringamerica.org/archive/sovereignty/wy_sheriff_analysis.html
and http://www.uhuh.com/action/sheriff/mattmet.htm

4. Wyoming sued the federal government over control of its forests and won the case.  The federal government wanted permanent and complete control over the federal forests in Wyoming.  Wyoming knew that the federal government refused to actively manage forests and that this would hurt tourist, traveling, and lead to more and larger forest fires.  http://www.off-road.com/land/wyoming_wins.html

5.  Even Wyoming’s citizens sue the federal government.  Wyoming’s citizens have the right to sue the United States Bureau of Land Management.  It was previously thought that the BLM was somewhat immune from lawsuits, just like the IRS used to be but that is now changed because of one brave Wyoming man.
http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/appeals_court_rules_wyoming_ranc.htm

6.  Wyoming reads the fine federal government print and is able to lead other states in fights against the federal government- Wyoming started a water rebellion when it read the fine print in a federal government water rights scheme.  Wyoming noticed that the scheme would give the federal government final control over all government and private water in Wyoming and the state know that was unconstitutional.  Wyoming was able to influence other state governments to join the water rebellion.  In fact, both government and private organizations from various Western states joined together, to fight the federal government.  
http://www.ndland.org/wacd.htm
and http://www.furcommission.com/resource/perspect999ay.htm
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Re:Wyoming wants to stand up to Feds
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2003, 12:24:44 am »

At the end of point #2, seems a link is missing. Is this it?

Why the West has resisted drunken-driving crackdown
http://csmweb2.emcweb.com/durable/1999/11/15/p2s2.htm


I hope I find time tomorrow to read all the links to the articles b/c I find this *very* interesting. One of my concerns about WY is how the people will react to changes in social freedom. Keeping the government otherwise out of their lives doesn't seem to be much of a problem. Thanks, Keith, for this post.

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Re:Wyoming wants to stand up to Feds
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2003, 12:32:09 am »

At the end of point #2, seems a link is missing. Is this it?

Why the West has resisted drunken-driving crackdown
http://csmweb2.emcweb.com/durable/1999/11/15/p2s2.htm


I hope I find time tomorrow to read all the links to the articles b/c I find this *very* interesting. One of my concerns about WY is how the people will react to changes in social freedom. Keeping the government otherwise out of their lives doesn't seem to be much of a problem. Thanks, Keith, for this post.

Diana

Thank you.  That was the link.  I do not know why it did not show up.  I did make the correction, though.   This comes straight from the Wyoming Report 3.  I have finished the report but I am still editing it.
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Re:Wyoming wants to stand up to Feds
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2003, 05:08:17 pm »

Does the heart good to see Wyoming taking a stand...

If we pick WY, and I hope we do, I also hope we will initially focus more on supporting their existing fights than starting new ones.  
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Re:Wyoming wants to stand up to Feds
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2003, 07:59:58 pm »

Another article from the Casper Star-Tribune:
Attorney general prepared to battle feds
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Re:Wyoming does stand up to Feds
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2003, 07:27:45 pm »

Here are some other examples and stories in related interest.

7.   The federal government’s National Park Service tried to prevent people from climbing Wyoming’s famous Devils Tower during June.  June is supposedly a sacred month to some of the Native American tribes from South Dakota.  The Native American tribes and the National Park Service worked together to stop the climbing.  The Nation Park Service called for a voluntary ban on all climbing during June.  The Wyoming Friends of Devils Tower and the Mountain States Legal Foundation fought the action.  The federal courts agreed, they ruled that the National Parks Service violated the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and Devils Tower National Monument's own management policies.  The United States still means something in Wyoming because its people care about freedom.
http://www.devils-tower.com/freedom/

8.   Wyoming’s State Supreme Court keeps state and local governments, and the press in check.  Laramie tried to restrict newspapers, but the Wyoming State Supreme Court said that violated the first amendment.  The Wyoming Department of Health thought that it would help children by making it mandatory for them to get vaccinations.  The Wyoming State Supreme Court found mandatory vaccinations unconstitutional.  The Gillette News-Record wanted to release the names of concealed carry permit holders.  The Wyoming State Supreme Court said that would violate the privacy of the permit holders.  After all, open carry of firearms has always been legal in Wyoming.  The only reason Wyoming passed concealed carry laws in the 1990s was so people could carry a firearm without other people knowing about it.  In Wyoming, you are innocent until proven guilty and must be treated as such.

More links of interest:
http://www.hcn.org/servlets/hcn.Article?article_id=1385
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Re:Wyoming wants to stand up to Feds
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2003, 04:01:29 pm »

Here's another article on Yellowstone and the wolf issue, reiterating that Wyoming is taking a stand that is particularly bothersome to the federal government and the environmental lobby:

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It's Wyoming's approach that has some wildlife officials and environmentalists worried. Some suggest that if changes are not made to that state plan, wolves won't be delisted any time soon.

"Wyoming," said Nina Fascione, vice president of species conservation with Defenders of Wildlife, "has definitely thrown a wrench into the plans for delisting."

Though state wildlife officials are still working on a management plan, the Wyoming Legislature recently and overwhelming backed a proposal that would designate gray wolves as trophy animals in Yellowstone and Grand Teton national parks and adjacent wilderness areas. It is illegal to hunt trophy game without a state-issued license, and federal law prohibits hunting wildlife in national parks. But in the rest of the state, wolves would be considered predators and could be killed with few restrictions.

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Full Story:

http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?ts=1&display=rednews/2003/04/27/build/wyoming/30-wolves.inc

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Re:Wyoming wants to stand up to Feds
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2003, 02:01:17 pm »

Here's another example of how federal interference may galvanize Wyomingites:

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Counties seek more time on Preble's mouse plan

Tuesday, May 13, 2003


CHEYENNE (AP) -- Five Wyoming counties asked the federal government Monday to delay a decision that would designate critical habitat for the Preble's meadow jumping mouse in Colorado and Wyoming.

In a letter to Interior Secretary Gale Norton, commissioners in Platte, Albany, Converse, Goshen and Laramie counties asked Norton to extend a June 4 deadline so they could review new economic information.

The counties last year commissioned a University of Wyoming study to research the direct and indirect economic impacts of designating 57,446 acres along Colorado's Front Range and in eastern Wyoming as critical habitat for the mouse.

The study is scheduled for release within the next several weeks.

Earlier this year, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service estimated the critical habitat designation would cost Wyoming between $74 and $172 million over the next decade.

But Paul Kruse, a consultant representing the counties, said preliminary analysis from the study indicates that estimate is significantly lower than the actual cost.

"The counties are confident the data will show that the costs to our local economies clearly outweigh the benefit to any population of the Preble's mouse that may or may not be in Wyoming," Kruse said.

The Preble's meadow jumping mouse, found only in Colorado and Wyoming, is federally protected because of its declining numbers. The Fish and Wildlife Service has proposed declaring 19 parcels of land as critical habitat for the mouse, which might require land-use restrictions.

The land that would be affected is along rivers and streams. The parcels are in Albany, Converse, Laramie and Platte counties in Wyoming. About 22 percent of that is state or federal land.

The Colorado parcels are in Boulder, Douglas, El Paso, Jefferson, Larimer, Teller and Weld counties, 48 percent of which is on state or federal land.

The mouse is listed as a threatened species under the federal Endangered Species Act. However, many officials in Wyoming believe the 1998 listing was premature and say there is a lack of evidence confirming the rodent is a separate subspecies.

http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2003/05/13/news/wyoming/07f036b26358fc5a181ab8702ce46efe.txt

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Hmmm...if the feds don't mind setting up tracts of land to protect endangered species, surely they won't mind all of us endangered liberty-lovers locating to one state?   ;D
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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2003, 05:51:19 pm »

Here are a couple of excerpts from the Wyoming GOP party platform (2002) that I thought were interesting.  There are certainly things in the platform that we would not agree with (support for "No Child Left Behind," etc), but there were a number of items that could prove useful as well, particularly as regards relations with the federal government:

Jobs and Economy

"Supports only essential governmental regulation. "

Land, Agriculture and Environment

"Supports the state development and management of upstream water storage and other water projects to benefit Wyoming’s economy and opposes any attempt by the Federal Government, other states and downstream users to encroach upon water rights belonging to and administered by the State of Wyoming.  

Supports any action which assures Wyoming’s primacy over its water or the doctrine of prior appropriation."

"Supports a policy of no introduction, reintroduction, or protection of any wildlife or wild plant species without local and state participation and consideration of the associated economic impacts. "

Government

"Embraces the concept “government which governs least, governs best.”   We believe good government is based on individual rights and responsibilities without excessive government regulations. "

"Supports promoting the transfer of federal lands within Wyoming to the State of Wyoming."

Health and Society

"Supports an individual’s right to die with dignity and continues to support their right to refuse medical treatment. "

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« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2003, 05:31:29 pm »

This comes from K2, a TV station in Casper.

http://www.k2tv.com/news.asp#2151
It is the bottom story on the page.

Mike Enzi is a Senator from Wyoming.

ENZI/ENDAGERED SPECIES
WASHINGTON, D.C.
THE ENDANAGERED SPECIES ACT IS A FEDERAL ACT..SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD PAY FOR ALL THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

TO THAT END WYOMING SENATOR MIKE ENZI INTRODUCED A BILL IN THE U.S. SENATE.

HIS BILL WOULD HAVE THE FEDS PAY FOR THINGS SUCH AS LAND ACQUISITIONS, LOSSES FROM PREDATORS, SURVEYS AND LOSSES IN VALUE TO REAL OR PERSONAL PROPERTY DUE TO ENFORCING THE ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT.

ENZI SAYS ALL HE WANTS IS *JUST COMPENSATION* FOR THOSE THE ACT AFFECTS..

"THE REALITY IS HOWEVER THAT THE ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT HAS BECOME MORE OF A HINDRANCE THAN A HELP. NOT ONE SPECIES HAS BEEN RECOVERED BECAUSE OF THE RULES AND REGULATIONS IMPOSED BY THIS STATUTE," SAYS ENZI.

"WHAT HAS HAD THE BIGGEST IMPACT HAS BEEN THE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND WHO ARE NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE PERSONAL CHOICES OR HOW TO MANAGE THEIR OWN PROPERTY."
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Re:Wyoming wants to stand up to Feds
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2003, 08:39:50 pm »

  This is exactly why MT economy is last - the esa.  No logging, minning, drilling, and no grazing.  Somehow we got stuck with the griz bear - they are not native to the rockies but junk science put them here.  The biggest boon up here is 5013c eco corps  ie... green nazi's.  
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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2003, 08:25:32 pm »

 This is exactly why MT economy is last - the esa.  No logging, minning, drilling, and no grazing.  Somehow we got stuck with the griz bear - they are not native to the rockies but junk science put them here.  The biggest boon up here is 5013c eco corps  ie... green nazi's.  

It is the feds and environmentlaists that concern me most in regards to Wyoming.  This is going to be a real tough fight.  In some ways, the good folks of Wyoming face a more formidable opposition than we Vermont natives do.  If the FSP chooses Wyoming, a priority should be on helping out with the revolt against the feds and environmentalists.
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« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2003, 09:36:15 pm »

 This is exactly why MT economy is last - the esa.  No logging, minning, drilling, and no grazing.  Somehow we got stuck with the griz bear - they are not native to the rockies but junk science put them here.  The biggest boon up here is 5013c eco corps  ie... green nazi's.  

It is the feds and environmentlaists that concern me most in regards to Wyoming.  This is going to be a real tough fight.  In some ways, the good folks of Wyoming face a more formidable opposition than we Vermont natives do.  If the FSP chooses Wyoming, a priority should be on helping out with the revolt against the feds and environmentalists.

You do not need to be concerned with Wyoming and the Feds and environmentalists.  The Wyoming people and the Wyoming Republican Party and even the Wyoming Democratic Party stand up to the feds all of the time and they usually win.  The fight should be easy.  2 of the 3 major parties are with us and against the enviros.  We should be able to win every battle with the enviros in Wyoming.  The state government, the people, and us will be able to stand up to the enviros very well (they already do it without us).

They enviros are much more powerful in MT, AK, VT, ME, and NH than any of the other states.  They have very little power in Wyoming and are not even welcome in Cheyenne and Casper, Wyoming's two largest cities.  Nader was not even able to get on the ballot in Wyoming.  It is rare to see a Green, Progressive, or Socialist Party enviro run for election in Wyoming.   As far as I know, the worst thing the enviros have done in Wyoming is stop a Wyoming company near Sheridan, WY (right on the MT border) from cutting lumber in a national forrest area.  Yes, that is a problem and something for us to rally against but that is nothing like what has happened to AK, MT, or ME, which are in great need of less regulation.

Wyoming has very little regulation.  The Republican Party has taken a stand.  In their platform they say the federal and state land should have many uses and not just be there to look nice.  Just look at all of the above posts.  No state stands up to the feds like Wyoming.  Wyoming is not the only state that the feds walk on, it is just one of the few that says no.
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Re:Wyoming wants to stand up to Feds
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2003, 11:54:32 am »

Why hasn't Wyomong rejected seat belt mandated laws?
This "special interest"..read insurance co., lead fraud has to stop. Seat belts ONLY save lives statistically! They contribute to and even cause death in fully 1/3 of all accidents and when your car goes under the tractor trailer the belt insures decapitation!
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