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Zxcv

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Some selection criteria are fixable
« on: December 20, 2002, 11:19:28 pm »

I have noticed a tendency to think of the state selection criteria as somehow cast in concrete.

For example, some people worry about the homeschooling climate. But the FSP will be going to its chosen state to improve things, and one of the most easily improved items will be homeschooling regulations. There are already several states that have no homeschooling regulations to speak of. That suggests with the addition of 20,000 activists, homeschooling regulations can be dumped in our chosen state with relative ease. Yes, the state edu-lobby is invariably strong, but this is one area of increasing freedom they have not been able to impede. The general trend in homeschooling has been one of increasing freedom.

The upshot is that we should essentially eliminate homeschooling regulations as a criterion for selection. Whatever they are, we will fix them, and relatively easily. And I say this even though I am a big homeschooling advocate myself.

Another fixable item is restrictions on concealed carry. For example Wyoming has a lot of places carry is not permitted. This is another item we will be able to fix. In fact I would expect that in many of the candidate states we will be able to institute "Vermont carry", although that may take more time and effort.

Something that is not fixable is the weather.  ;)

Another hard thing to fix has to do with government spending, specifically the number of government employees. These represent a large, effective barrier to significant change. They are a powerful lobby for more perks, and they can turn out the activists when we attempt to gut one of their cash cows or attempt to downsize government. This criterion may be as important as voting population.

Another one is how many people have been bought off by government - welfare queens, welfare ranchers and farmers, and the like. It is very difficult to sell these people on the idea of freedom even if they might have a theoretical appreciation of it. All they can see is that big lump of government money going away.

Let's temper our weighing of selection criteria with the realization at least some of them can be fixed when we get to our state, and relatively quickly. Such criteria should not be weighted highly.
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Re:Some selection criteria are fixable
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2002, 01:36:08 am »

Excellant point!  This is why I weigh climate and size of the state more heavily than anything else.  Those things don't change.

However, favorable gun and homeschooling laws will make our job easier and faster.

BTW, in case you are wondering, I don't plan on living the rest of my life in ANY of these states.  Even DE is way too cold for me.

I look at it this way.  Once we free the first state and people see how good our ideas are and how it can be done, all 50 states will be free in a short period of time.  Therefore, the best state for us to do first is the one we can do the quickest.  Save the more difficult states for later.
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Re:Some selection criteria are fixable
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2002, 10:04:47 am »

I think the logic behind including gun & homeschooling laws is that, even though these can be readily changed, they help to indicate the population's general freedom orientation.
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Re:Some selection criteria are fixable
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2002, 09:19:38 pm »

Yes, the state edu-lobby is invariably strong, but this is one area of increasing freedom they have not been able to impede. The general trend in homeschooling has been one of increasing freedom.

Try checking out what happened in PA this year regarding attempting to change the homeschooling law. We failed. The bill didn't even make it out of committee, the determination of those on the education comm was so strong that we needed lots of oversight to educate our children. PA's law is considered worst or 2nd worst in the nation (along w/ NY).

Jason pointed out that the reason gun and HSing laws are important are that they gauge the residents' feelings about freedom. Well, I also consider it for how much work we will have to do upfront just to make some things tolerable. Would I HS underground so as not to have to comply with what I believe are unjust and unconstitutional laws? Yes. However, I would prefer a state that didn't think it owned my children or that I am incapable of good judgement with a gun.

So most things are fixable. I just want a state that we can go into and *not* have to fix everything. It will slow us down. The eastern states are not hospitable HSing environments, the western ones are. I would like more information on the amount of work we will need to do when we get there, which I don't really see here and I don't really know how that kind of research could be done. Would it require reading all the laws currently on the books? I want a receptive citizenry and the shortest road to freedom we can find.

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Re:Some selection criteria are fixable
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2002, 03:50:24 pm »

Diana, we had something like that a few years back in Oregon. A lot of work was spent to ease homeschooling restrictions, but we couldn't quite come up with the votes. The following year the same bill came up, and I ignored it because I figured it would run into the same problem. Wrong! It passed!

Sometimes these bills need multiple years of work to get through. And that's in states without an FSP. I'd expect us to be able to push things through much more quickly.

The general trend over the last 3 decades has been increasing freedom in homeschooling, despite the occasional disappointments in individual states. And "non-compliant" homeschooling is always an option, and a good one. Educates your kids on their true relationship with the state.  ;)

Jason is correct about these items being indicators. We should treat them as such, not as insuperable barriers.

Actually, for me, the ideal case would be for us to go into a state with a lot of fixable problems - things that depress the economy and so forth. We fix them, the economy turns around, welfare rolls drop, people get more happy, and we (and freedom generally) get all the credit!  ;D
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Re:Some selection criteria are fixable
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2002, 04:37:55 pm »

If a handfull of strong, intelligent families skillfully homeschooled their children and were attacked by the state, the media coverage could polarize things in our favor.  Imagine the high wage earning father and compassionate mother being carted off to jail so that the state can take control of the significantly above average children.  Even a bleeding heart socialist should be able to see the problem there...

I *will not* let the state educate my children.  Period.  I don't care where I live or what the law says.  That issue is non-negotiable.  I see how the state's education affected me (for as long as I was in the system - not all *that* long ago) and how it affects the children around me.  State run eductation is the single most destructive facet of government today (it has literally destroyed our people and our nation).

The good news?  Homeschooling is growing at an "alarming" rate and it appears the homeschool movement will ultimately prevail.  The homeschool network, though not always visible to the nakid eye, is well organized, and has a good sense of community.  Even homeschoolers who aren't gung ho about the FSP (would there be any?!?) would likely help out in any effort to opppose homeschool regulations.

All of that to say we can change the laws.  That's our goal.  The populations of the various states we're considering may be more or less freedom oriented but they're all pretty far off of what we're really interested in as far as liberty goes.  We'll have to educate them.  ;-)

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Re:Some selection criteria are fixable
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2003, 03:57:44 pm »

Everything political is fixable.
Government employees can be fired.
Welfare freeloaders can be cut off the dole.

Criteria that can not be changed
Climate (not too hot, not too cold, but just right)
Population (too few is growable, too many only gets worse)
Geography (coasts, mountains)
Proximity to metropolitan dens of socialism
(Free cities can be grown. Un-free cities are lost forever).
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