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ardentangel

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Re: Great reply to the 'socialization' issue
« Reply #45 on: May 08, 2007, 03:34:56 pm »

Ok, I'll directly reply to 'let kids be kids'

I moved in the summer between sixth and seventh grade. In the new public school the other kids were allowed the freedom 'to be kids' and tormented me daily to the point of hitting me in class because I choose a seat that 'belonged' to another kid. There was no allowing me to be me, but the bullies were always allowed to be themselves and torment anyone they choose to. Let's be very clear, hitting me is trespass. My not being skilled enough to defend myself isn't the issue.

The argument was also made that this is some how more like 'real' life. After four years of the torture, with no one having any skills to see my situation, I choose to remove myself from day school and entered night classes. Never again have I encountered gangs of bullies in any group of real people. The only place this flourishes is in public schools and lower class housing. I would never call either 'the real world' after experiencing both.

Now on to my own homeschooled children.

They are allowed to be kids, without any restrictions. They play and create more than I was ever allowed to in school. Do I protect them? I'm amazed that anyone would argue that I shouldn't. They are children. Any animal baby left alone and unprotected by it's parent(s) quickly becomes some other animals dinner. It is my job to protect them. From the government and people who use irrational arguments as facts if I have to.

As far as what I say to people who question me about 'socialization' I reply that I am not a socialist, I am an American and socialism and freedom don't mix.

By the way, I know some of those homeschool 'hermits,' all six have had the focus to become PhD graduates, with two of them working on their second doctorate. All six of these children tested out of their first two years of college classes. How many public school children have done that this year? If it's a choice between being a socialist and having children who become doctors, I'll take my chances with the doctors.
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Re: Great reply to the 'socialization' issue
« Reply #46 on: May 08, 2007, 04:10:15 pm »

Welcome to the forum, ardentangel.  Most of us are definitely with you on the home schooling thing, especially me  ;D.  Let us know if you have any questions about living free in NH.
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Re: Great reply to the 'socialization' issue
« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2007, 04:11:45 am »

I was public schooled, and I feel that I missed out so much not being home schooled.  Unfortunately my mom was a nurse and my dad was a Purolator driver, so I had no opportunity for that.

In Kindergarten and grade 1 (before we moved cities) I had several friends.  After I moved, I was shy and had 1 (read it, ONE) friend from grades 1 through 7 (and he was in the grade BEFORE me).  I had several other "friends", but they were not the one's I socialized with.  In grade 7 that previous friend stopped being my friend, but I replaced him with 1 (yes, only ONE) friend.  That remained the same until probably grade 12 when my circle of friends bloomed.  With that said, I did have one other friend through grades 7 on, but that was met through family as opposed to public school (not to mention he was a year older).

So, here's one public schooler who clearly shows that public school is in no way about socialization.

About the only thing useful that came out of public school was my interest in music... unfortunately music programs aren't getting much support nowadays (atleast here in Canada, don't know what it's like in the states).

I had a major case of shyness in my early years.  Early on, teachers thought I was a quiet and well behaved student.  Later on I was identified as a day-dreamer and unfocused in school.  It was only by about grade 11 or 12 that I got diagnosed having a communication based learning disability.  I was so shy that if I was having problems with an assignment, I'd have done anything other than ask the teacher or someone for help.  In addition, my assignments became so labourous that I either spend way more time on the assignment, or completely give up on it (accepting whatever mark came).  I remember tests where I spent as much time calculating the minimum number of questions I'd need to answer in order to get atleast 50% (anything further was pure gravy) as I would on the test.

The short version of what is above is that unless a teacher is spending several consecutive years with a set of students, by the time they notice something is wrong with one or two of them, they've moved onto the next grade, allowing the student to continue to suffer, never really identifying the problem.  Had my parents (or someone else I was home schooled with) had more time to spend with me through the process, I might've turned out better.

When I have kids, they're not setting foot near the government.
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Re: Great reply to the 'socialization' issue
« Reply #48 on: August 08, 2007, 08:28:47 pm »

I'd be willing to bet a shiny silver ounce that you weren't born with "a communication based learning disability" but instead learned it in public school. And that you can unlearn it.
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Re: Great reply to the 'socialization' issue
« Reply #49 on: September 27, 2007, 12:16:38 am »

I am 18 and have been homeschooled since 5th grade, not that we go by grades anymore... :P  Since starting, my interest in Britney Spears' personal life has come to a bitter end and unfortunately I now spend my days chatting with "terrorists" online and being brainwashed by "obviously unintelligent, uncertified and /or incapable" adults.  I was terribly shy until, wow what do you know, 5th grade and only then did I start snowboarding and other activities.  In the past 2 years I HAD to take law, history, literature and journalism college courses on the side as well as take up the guitar and mandoline, tatting, culinary arts, holistics, and aromatherapy, do community service, run 4-h programs, attend peaceful public rallies etc. as well as take over the family business.  .  I couldn't help it, I was getting bored watching my childhood public school friend smoke pot in her basement with 91% of all the other kids in my old class.  Which is when I realized how deprived I was. (like everyone was telling me)  So if anyone could provide any "socialization" tips to this poor HSer I would greatly appreciate it.
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