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« on: July 28, 2002, 07:19:43 am »

Have we thought about doing anything to coordinate American expatriots and foreign nationals who might be interested in the free state?  

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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2002, 09:56:31 am »

We currently have several expatriates  in the movement, although there's no "coordination" involved.  As for foreign nationals, the ability to vote is fairly important to our project, so I'm not sure what the advantage would be... ?
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2002, 10:15:46 am »

Perhaps small, English language ads in major foreign newspapers.  Can´t imagine that it would be very cosy-effective, though.  When I was still in the LP I offered to help get overseas LPers in contact, and they told me that there aren't very many (American LPers, anyway).

Just a thought that probably goes nowhere.

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Re:International
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2002, 09:24:22 am »


We currently have several expatriates  in the movement, although there's no "coordination" involved.  As for foreign nationals, the ability to vote is fairly important to our project, so I'm not sure what the advantage would be... ?

Well it's important to remember that if we change the state laws we could ensure that anyone living in our state can vote.  That should probably be a criteria of the states we look at.  How long does it take before an alien can vote in the state?
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Re:International
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2002, 01:09:50 pm »


[Well it's important to remember that if we change the state laws we could ensure that anyone living in our state can vote.  That should probably be a criteria of the states we look at.  How long does it take before an alien can vote in the state?
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In spite of the fact that my wife is Brazilian, I'm not too crazy about giving foreign nationals a vote without citizenship.  If they want to vote, they should "bite the bullet" so to speak and naturalize.

At the same time, I STRONGLY advocate making state documents, such as driver's licenses, as easy to obtain as they are for Americans.  This is regardless of whether the immigrants are "legals" or "illegals" according to Federal Law.

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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2002, 07:11:59 am »

I'm trying to be an expat in Thailand, but would happily return to the "Colonies," if a Free State materalizes.

I run into quite a few expats and travelers who are libertarian sounding, and who are looking for that mythical land of the free. I think that putting the word out in the US is all that they need to find out about us. They'll come back when we make the move.

About foreign nationals. I read someplace the other day where the author wrote that most of the foreigners who come to the US with the intent to suck off the socialist trough. That is not my experience in talking to foreigners and not my experience with people who want to live in the US, but can't. By far, the foreigners I talk to, who want to live in the US, want the freedom to improve their lives.

I know this "freedom" is old info and eroding fast, but it's still better than everyplace I've visited. But, I'm still looking.

So, my suggestion is to have a freedom refuge program in our new state that brings the entrepreneurs of the world to join us. We could sponsor then, marry them, help them form corporations to get visas, and whatever to help. I think there are more small time entrepreneurs in Thailand than per capita in the US. And over half of them are women! (Statistics stated are from the 2002 Meagher pole and subject to a 45% margin of error) :-)

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Re:International
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2002, 07:38:58 am »

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About foreign nationals. I read someplace the other day where the author wrote that most of the foreigners who come to the US with the intent to suck off the socialist trough. That is not my experience in talking to foreigners and not my experience with people who want to live in the US, but can't. By far, the foreigners I talk to, who want to live in the US, want the freedom to improve their lives.

So, my suggestion is to have a freedom refuge program in our new state that brings the entrepreneurs of the world to join us. We could sponsor then, marry them, help them form corporations to get visas, and whatever to help. I think there are more small time entrepreneurs in Thailand than per capita in the US. And over half of them are women! (Statistics stated are from the 2002 Meagher pole and subject to a 45% margin of error) :-)


This business of foreign nationals sucking off the socialist trough in the US might apply to some, but NOT to the Brazilians I know who go to the US.  They go in search of money and better lives, often planning to return eventually to Brazil.

I hope that, if NH is chosen, I can get involved in non-profit, church affiliated immigrant assistance work.  No need for gov´t involvment.  I'd also like to see the Free State making it easy for hard working foreign nationals to get a chance, despite what the Feds want.

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Re:International
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2002, 09:23:10 am »

It was mentioned in the 2000 elections that if all the expats were combined into a 51st state, it would be #22 in population.  I believe that includes military personnel, who along with the Foreign Service are probably not FSP candidates.

I see no special reason to target us expats.  Hit the usual libertarian organizations and periodicals, which expats read even more desperately than you in the land of the free....

In my experience, immigrants from poor countries appreciate the value of liberty far more than do native-born Americans or immigrants from Europe.  One of my most libertarian friends is a Russian immigrant.  Here's a heart-warming story for you about a Vietnamese immigrant:
http://sunspot.net/news/custom/attack/bal-te.bz.bomb04aug04.story?coll=bal%2Dhome%2Dheadlines
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