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Amanda

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Re:Radio proposal
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2004, 04:25:17 pm »

FSP must choose a SIDE

1. Individual property rights (Tax freedom bunch)
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2. Socialist government claim on property.

Then when you have a SIDE then you can  propose a METHOD.

I would submit that we all are on the same SIDE and we disagree only on the METHOD.

FSP wishes to utilize the POLITICAL process.
SAPF wishes to utilize the LAW.


Lets all work together to find our common ground if....ANY.


Actually, the FSP doesn't have to choose a side. :)

The FSP exists solely to move 20,000 liberty-oriented people to New Hampshire, and what those people do in New Hampshire is up to them. We have always had a general goal of working within the political system to effect change. (This is the reason we're not a secessionist movement, and for the same reason we don't advocate that anyone break any laws.)

The FSP doesn't hand out marching orders, and the FSP has no position on specific acts of legislation. Even though I'm a big fan of civil disobedience in certain situations... as a representative of the FSP, I will never encourage anyone to break the law or engage in civil disobedience. What individual people do is up to them, of course.
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Re:Radio proposal
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2004, 04:38:34 pm »

Lets definately make sure we invite this guy back next year! :o :P
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Re:Radio proposal
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2004, 08:47:51 am »

[Begin streamlined proposal]

FSP Leadership to FSP Members: Hey members, you have an opporunity to share the FSP concept with America 24/7 on a radio network. What we need you to do is investigate this organization's associate membership. This membership believes in property rights. If enough members from various liberty oriented groups like ours join we will be given time to broadcast our message to America. The FSP, Inc. can not directly endorse or sign on as a contributing member [the same way we don't endorse a particular political party], but that does not stop our various independent FSP members from joining, and forwarding the ideals and concepts of a free state in New Hampshire. You can even help in the programing, perhaps even get your own weekly show.

[End streamlined proposal]

What would you think if you got an e-mail from the Free State Project encouraging all FSP participants to join the "Pagans for Gay Marriage Rights Alliance" so that the FSP could earn free advertising time on their radio network?
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Re:Radio proposal
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2004, 09:57:12 am »

[Begin streamlined proposal]

FSP Leadership to FSP Members: Hey members, you have an opporunity to share the FSP concept with America 24/7 on a radio network. What we need you to do is investigate this organization's associate membership. This membership believes in property rights. If enough members from various liberty oriented groups like ours join we will be given time to broadcast our message to America. The FSP, Inc. can not directly endorse or sign on as a contributing member [the same way we don't endorse a particular political party], but that does not stop our various independent FSP members from joining, and forwarding the ideals and concepts of a free state in New Hampshire. You can even help in the programing, perhaps even get your own weekly show.

[End streamlined proposal]

What would you think if you got an e-mail from the Free State Project encouraging all FSP participants to join the "Pagans for Gay Marriage Rights Alliance" so that the FSP could earn free advertising time on their radio network?

That's fine. I obviously would not join, but you may have members that would. I don't expect everyone to join our organization, that would be silly to think. I believe and understand that the State should have no place in deciding who should marry, and who should not. In fact I wrote an article on it that was published in a number of places. If you read it you will understand why I would not have a problem with such a proposal. We first need to educate citizens to the truly limited role of government so that true liberty may exist.

If you are intersted in reading my article - "A Solution to Reclaim Holy Matrimony" visit:
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I think it will be an eye opener for you.
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Re:Radio proposal
« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2004, 12:03:23 pm »

qwertmale writes:

FSP must choose a SIDE

1. Individual property rights (Tax freedom bunch)
                  or
2. Socialist government claim on property.

Then when you have a SIDE then you can  propose a METHOD.

I would submit that we all are on the same SIDE and we disagree only on the METHOD.

FSP wishes to utilize the POLITICAL process.
SAPF wishes to utilize the LAW.


Lets all work together to find our common ground if....ANY.

 
 
Amanda responds:
Actually, the FSP doesn't have to choose a side.  


The FSP will not even endorse Individual property rights. WHY?

The FSP Choose the IRS muzzle by requesting tax exempt status, now you refuse to even endorse Individual property rights.

Elizabeth writes:
"I sincerely hope the FSP NEVER endorses or gets involved with the Tax Freedom bunch. They are a lightning rod for government attention, deliberately encourage people to break laws (something the FSP will not do), and not only that, have been trying to co-opt the FSP for a couple years now for their own purposes. I remember fending them off myself, and hope the FSP will continue to do so."

Yet some are quick to clearly state what you hope the FSP NEVER
endorses.

The FSP/Elizabeth are now on the hook to identify what laws they think "Tax Freedom bunch" encourage others to break.

I look forward to your answer.


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Re:Radio proposal
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2004, 12:14:16 pm »

While I would tend to agree each individual is on the hook for what they say.....the FSP is on the hook for nothing except filling up the BUS!

Please read the Statement of Intent....the FSP is the BUS to NH, nothing more nothing less!
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Re:Radio proposal
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2004, 01:00:54 pm »

DAVE -
You are correct, BEFORE the FSP made negative public statements
the FSP existed only to fill the bus.

That can no longer be the case.

The FSP has taken a stand against the US Tax laws as written.
The FSP has taken a stand against the S.A.P. Fellowship.
The FSP has refused to endorse Individual property rights.
 
The FSP can not have it both ways.

1. On the one hand state that the "Tax Freedom bunch"
encourage others to break the law and not back up that
statement.

2.  Stating as the Elected President:
 "I have similar concerns about aligning with an organization that encourages people to break laws" and not back up that
statement.

3. Refuse to choose to endorse Individual property rights.


And then when questioned refuse to back up the statements because the FSP is an IRS controlled tax exempt org.

The FSP has waived the right to remain silent. They are now open to cross.

How many FSP members do not want to own property?

How many FSP members would rather do what the IRS tells them
to do rather than what the LAW actually requires?

The current policy of the FSP to attack the tax honesty groups does
not make sense to me.

Why attack the written law and Individual property rights?
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Re:Radio proposal
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2004, 01:13:11 pm »

The FSP has taken a stand against the US Tax laws as written.
The FSP has taken a stand against the S.A.P. Fellowship.

The FSP has done neither of these things.

"The views posted here on the forum reflect only the opinions of the people who offer them. Except where clearly expressed as such by Free State Project officers or directors, they should not be taken as the positions, official or otherwise, of the Free State Project, its leadership, or its Participants as a whole. "

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The FSP has refused to endorse Individual property rights.

Read the statement of intent.
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Re:Radio proposal
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2004, 01:24:14 pm »

That's fine. I obviously would not join, but you may have members that would. I don't expect everyone to join our organization, that would be silly to think. I believe and understand that the State should have no place in deciding who should marry, and who should not. In fact I wrote an article on it that was published in a number of places. If you read it you will understand why I would not have a problem with such a proposal.

I'm happy to see that you are so tolerant. However, I believe that many of our more conservative participants or potential participants would be put off by such an arrangement. For this reason, I would not support the idea any more than I would support the SAP's proposal.

I enjoyed your article.
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Re:Radio proposal
« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2004, 03:55:38 pm »

Dear Tax_Pro_Tester

You've managed to piss off the very people who would have supported your individual efforts, by insisting that everyone support you.

In other words, you've decided that it's "with you or against you".
Speaking as someone who was and continues to be "with you" on your core ideas (the tax system is bogusly run, regardless of the specific reasons of which I know many), you've managed to turn me "against you" personally, because you are coming off as an intolerant, demanding, annoying, and outright dishonest person, who is willing to abuse those who disagree with you at all.  Congratulations on your success in this goal, if that was your goal.  If your goal was to get support instead, you're 100% in the wrong direction, and maybe you need to examine your methods.

Can we please move on?  The FSP is the wrong place for this.  Move to NH and then we can talk.  I have zero interest in using the FSP forums or FSP time to continue this, and I'm sure lots of others agree.

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Re:Radio proposal
« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2004, 04:33:32 pm »

I sincerely hope the FSP NEVER endorses or gets involved with the Tax Freedom bunch.  They are a lightning rod for government attention, deliberately encourage people to break laws (something the FSP will not do), and not only that, have been trying to co-opt the FSP for a couple years now for their own purposes.  I remember fending them off myself, and hope the FSP will continue to do so.

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Re:Radio proposal
« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2004, 04:57:45 pm »

Hey folks...I have done my share of yelling lately, but after spending the last week or so, renewing relationships with some of the folks I know and meeting more! :)

Think we need to get back to focusing on the things that bind us, not the little things that seperate us.  Think about it???   ???  Be honest, isn't that what has happened to so many Freedom groups?

Reminds my of one of my favorite old movies, "Cool Hand Luke,"  when the warden says, "Luke, you got to get your head right!"

Well folks, you helped me get my head right.....Hoping the rest of you do too.....are mission is too important to have it any other way!

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Re:Radio proposal
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2004, 11:48:29 am »

Why do people keep talking as if the FSP were a representative group?  It ISN'T, and if people in the FSP are trying to speak on my behalf, I wish they wouldn't.  

Personally, I know there are plenty of ways to avoid paying taxes that DON'T involve breaking the law.  And the last thing we need is for the FSP to get broken up by pissed off gov't types.  Yes, it means the FSP organizers get to play it conservatively.  If they can counter their human nature, keep their mouths shut and let the members speak for themselves I applaud their efforts :)
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Re:Radio proposal
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2004, 11:07:11 am »

qwertmale writes:

FSP must choose a SIDE

1. Individual property rights (Tax freedom bunch)
                  or
2. Socialist government claim on property.

Then when you have a SIDE then you can  propose a METHOD.

I would submit that we all are on the same SIDE and we disagree only on the METHOD.

FSP wishes to utilize the POLITICAL process.
SAPF wishes to utilize the LAW.


Lets all work together to find our common ground if....ANY.

 
 
Amanda responds:
Actually, the FSP doesn't have to choose a side.  


The FSP will not even endorse Individual property rights. WHY?

The FSP Choose the IRS muzzle by requesting tax exempt status, now you refuse to even endorse Individual property rights.

Elizabeth writes:
"I sincerely hope the FSP NEVER endorses or gets involved with the Tax Freedom bunch. They are a lightning rod for government attention, deliberately encourage people to break laws (something the FSP will not do), and not only that, have been trying to co-opt the FSP for a couple years now for their own purposes. I remember fending them off myself, and hope the FSP will continue to do so."

Yet some are quick to clearly state what you hope the FSP NEVER
endorses.

The FSP/Elizabeth are now on the hook to identify what laws they think "Tax Freedom bunch" encourage others to break.

I look forward to your answer.



                                                                                             
    I don't think the tax honesty people are breaking any constitutional laws either and yes the FSP is on the side of liberty but they need to be cool. I am pretty sure the group is against the WOD but it would be a bad idea to have or endorse  smoke outs. NORML can take care of such events if they wish.
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