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NuclearDruid

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"A Dark Side to Homeschooling" CBS Series
« on: October 14, 2003, 08:55:04 am »

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/13/eveningnews/main577817.shtml

The first in a series on why homeschooling should be illegal and the State given ultimate authority over children.

I guess that Journalism majors are not required to take Logic and Critical Thinking classes as part of their curriculum. Mr. Gonzales would have failed miserably the same class that I took on the subject. The title of the story immediately taints it with an inductive fallacy of circularity because the body of the story uses anecdotal evidence against the homeschool concept. The writer bases his story on the backs of two Ad Vericundiam attacks by Tom Lock and Marcia Herman-Giddens. It's impossible to take the article seriously as a revelation of the homeschooling movement, but despite the title, that was never the intent of the writer. The article appears to be written to invoke an emotional reponse in the uniformed reader and to that end I believe that it will be effective.
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Re:"A Dark Side to Homeschooling" CBS Series
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2003, 10:06:14 am »



Don't jump to any conclusions....maybe Mr. Gonzales is going to do a series on the "dark side of public schooling" as he critiques the various in-"public" school shootings, drug dealing, gang wars, rape, theft, cheating and graduation rates for the illiterate???

I'm sure statistically -- there is some correlation.

Maybe?

P.S.  Don't hold your breath!


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Re:"A Dark Side to Homeschooling" CBS Series
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2003, 07:29:16 am »

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/14/eveningnews/main578007.shtml

This is part 2 of the report.

Here's my favorite quote from Mr. Gonzales "In eight states, parents don't have to tell anyone they're home schooling. Unlike teachers, in 38 states and the District of Columbia, parents need virtually no qualifications to home school. Not one state requires criminal background checks to see if parents have abuse convictions."

Let me rephrase this so that it makes more sense. In no state does a woman have to tell someone that she is pregnant. Unlike physicians, women have virtually no qualifications to give birth. Not one state requires criminal background check to see if women have abuse convictions prior to becoming pregnant.

Yeah, right!
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Re:"A Dark Side to Homeschooling" CBS Series
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2003, 08:03:17 am »

I assume they have had a few "A Dark Side to Public Schools" episodes earlier to maintain a "fair and balanced" view.
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Re:"A Dark Side to Homeschooling" CBS Series
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2003, 03:40:55 pm »

"Fair and Balanced"- That's Fox News.

"Cause Bullshit Sells"- That's CBS.
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Re:"A Dark Side to Homeschooling" CBS Series
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2003, 02:42:58 pm »

As usual, you Libertarian types with your utopian, impractical "principles" and "theories" are ignoring pragmatic realities. How are you going to stop the epidemic of gang violence, drug use, teen pregnancy etc. among home schooled children?

(I don't watch TV, but I assume that CBS gave all the relevant statistics showing the increased proportion of criminal behavior among home-schooled vs. public schooled children. Along with a description of the statistical methods used, error bars and controls for various factors. No?

Then why do you watch this stuff? Are the batteries dead in all your books?)
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Re:"A Dark Side to Homeschooling" CBS Series
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2003, 05:57:30 pm »

it's the Public school system that encourages most of if not all of those things.

Lack of parental involvement with kids is the priciple reason for the majority of these things.

As far as teen pregnancies go, the public schools encourage them, with all this liberal sex ed and stuff.

The DARE program has turned into a de facto drug pusher. Half the kids that go through the DARE program haven't even heard of any of these things, and DARE spikes their curiosity.

Gangs? The way the public school seperates and divides everybody (through age, grade, etc.) it's actually a wonder more gangs aren't formed, by people trying to find acceptence, because the schools on purpose take it away.

And NO. CBS didn't give any relevent information about statistics and stuff. It was all entirely anecdotal.

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Re:"A Dark Side to Homeschooling" CBS Series
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2003, 08:08:48 pm »

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The DARE program has turned into a de facto drug pusher. Half the kids that go through the DARE program haven't even heard of any of these things, and DARE spikes their curiosity.

When the DARE program first started, this was what I was thinking.  It's good to inform your children about sex and drugs but when all the commericals and bumper stickers etc. about drugs started popping up I was thinking it was doing as much harm as good.
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Re:"A Dark Side to Homeschooling" CBS Series
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2003, 03:37:21 am »

Even the current drug Czar has admitted that the latest Anti-Drug Tv Ad campaign has done more harm then good.

Of course his solution is to "Write better ads" and do it right the next time.

What they don't realize is they can't do it right. The only people who CAN are the people who care about their kids on a more personal level -- the parents, friends, neighbors, etc.

http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?function=view&record=584

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An article about the CBS report.
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2003, 03:42:28 pm »

http://www.razormouth.com/archives/00000207.htm

They make one mistake here.

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It’s interesting that the most unregulated industry in America—the major corporate media—thinks that everyone else needs to be regulated. But what about the dark side of media coverage?

This isn't true at all. It's quite regulated and one of the reasons it's so politicized about everything. the FCC, and FTC and other Federal groups regulate it.

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Re:An article about the CBS report.
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2003, 08:07:19 am »

The Sierra Times ran an article on this "news" piece as well.
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Re:An article about the CBS report.
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2003, 10:26:20 am »

The Sierra Times ran an article on this "news" piece as well.

It's refreshing to see that a young adult (18 yo) can write such a cogent response.
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