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davidinkeene

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Ian Freeman ftl banning
« on: March 23, 2016, 11:39:01 am »

 I was told that the minutes of the vote would be somewhere ..does anyone know :-)
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davidinkeene

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Re: Ian Freeman ftl banning
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2016, 08:22:44 am »

  Is the FSP afraid of Freedom. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
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JLTW

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Re: Ian Freeman ftl banning
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2016, 11:53:15 am »

From what I have heard, the FSP is cutting political ties with Ian, and it sounded like it was a mutual agreement. They don't want to risk bad publicity or bad reputation in a fragile time, the FSP is just gaining momentum and visibility for the first time ever.

It's not an easy decision; standing by his side can be misconstrued to "the FSP supports child porn!" and detaching from him can be seen as "the FSP is not supporting an anarchist against threat of government- innocent until proven guilty!"

I would have liked to see them stand by his side, but if both Ian's group and the FSP agreed on this mutually, that's a lot better. The FSP's public statement clearly supports him but makes a political separation... so it's almost like trying to get the best of both worlds?

The best we can do is support him individually, and decentralize activism. Make a less visible radar that saves our community from threat and maintains reputation.

RidleyReport and others closer to the community(s) have recommended doing a lot of publicity, filming, and visible action.
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jediquillguy

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Re: Ian Freeman ftl banning
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2016, 01:40:04 pm »

1. If you have an internet connection, make sure its in the name of a trust!

People with a significant public profile MUST have their internet connections purchased in another name! Had the internet connection been owned by a trust, this would not have happened. A privacy trust is the best legal structure for owning and paying for an internet connection. Ian Freeman's "crime" here appears to be simply having a Wi-Fi connection that someone accessed for porn, possibly the FBI itself after being goaded when Freeman published a story on the FBI running child porn websites. Of course this is all somewhat speculation because we don't know all the details, but it would appear they are going after Freeman.

2. I strongly object to anyone at all being banned from an FSP event unless they have violated NAP or are disturbing the peace in a substantial way at the events. Until such a time that they change their policy and instead are banning people for political reasons, I'll be withdrawing my FSP membership.
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JLTW

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Re: Ian Freeman ftl banning
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2016, 09:07:06 pm »

I did not think Ian was banned, just that the FSP was not going to publicly endorse him. This year will be my first Porcfest and I'm moving in September, likely to Keene. This incident does concern me about anarchist safety in Keene, being an outsider with little perspective. And how would we be independent of the FSP or renounce membership if we are participating and living in anarchist community out there? This seems muddied.

Hopefully the FSP won't ban him, that is indeed pretty rigid and absurd. That being said, what the FSP does is of no affect on me, and I am sure there are plenty of ways to launch into new anarchist communities. I do not see it as a problem in the long run. I am just concerned about Keene's ability to bounce back from an attack on a core community leader.
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davidinkeene

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Re: Ian Freeman ftl banning
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2016, 11:44:37 am »

  Did the FSP betray the principles of Liberty by banning Ian or FTL.
 
 
« Last Edit: March 29, 2016, 11:50:52 am by davidinkeene »
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davidinkeene

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Re: Ian Freeman ftl banning
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2016, 12:08:20 pm »

   They didn't do a sit down with Ian or ask him his view . I believe they used a Stop Free Keene ,edited, video which I even misunderstood and had to ask for clarification on;but did get an answer on and now i understand it,where it absolutely,would be misunderstood before.  Because I misunderstood it, and concluded I parted ways with Ian on the subject,but got clarification from the source which the FSP didn't do.
   Bottom line,if the FSP asked they may have come to a different outcome,unless they are just running from the witch hunt.  And if they are running from the witch hunt;that is agreeing with those that are fearful of liberty
« Last Edit: March 29, 2016, 01:01:24 pm by davidinkeene »
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davidinkeene

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Re: Ian Freeman ftl banning
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2016, 12:14:17 pm »

The FSP could have said,as they were weighing the evidence; "this;you said this; do you mean 'this'?"....In other words;ask for clarification.  They did not do that.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2016, 12:18:14 pm by davidinkeene »
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KBCraig

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Re: Ian Freeman ftl banning
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2016, 07:57:10 pm »

I'll be withdrawing my FSP membership.

You've never had one.
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