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jeremiahg

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Washington vs. New Hampshire
« on: September 24, 2014, 07:16:01 pm »

I'm aware of some differences between Oregon and New Hampshire.  I then became curious about Washington vs. New Hampshire.  I found a City Data forum discussing it, and was surprised by some people denigrating NH, particularly the last poster:  http://www.city-data.com/forum/city-vs-city/1744885-new-hampshire-vs-washington.html    How has your experience been similar or different from these criticisms of NH?  I'm particularly interested in hearing from people who have lived in Washington (or have visited on an extended basis).
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Re: Washington vs. New Hampshire
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2014, 08:58:05 pm »

I lived in Portland, Oregon for 1 year. My sister lived in Seattle for 15 years. We all live in NH now.

Washington has legal pot. Even for somebody like myself who doesn't vote or smoke pot, that is pretty big. That being said, there are probably going to be another 5 or so new states with legal pot in a couple of months. The war on cannabis probably won't be around much longer. The NH statehouse is the first and only statehouse in the nation to vote to decrim cannabis. It got killed in the Senate, but again, it's only a matter of time.

Washington has lots of natural beauty. So does California. So does NH.

Drug addiction is a problem everywhere. The whole country is turning into a shithole, for MANY reasons.

NH is a police state. So is Washington. Again, the whole country, nay, the whole world is a police state.

Now let's analyze the where the real difference is. New Hampshire is largely populated by people that are at least sympathetic to liberty. Aside from the cannabis issue, Washington is not. It is totally owned by liberal statists, and that number is growing. There are certain hotspots that really attract liberal statists. Washington is one of them.

New Hampshire is attracting libertarians. It's kind of funny, really. It seems to me, and I could be totally wrong here, but it seems to me that liberals living in conservative states are fleeing to liberal states, and conservatives living in liberal states are fleeing liberal states. Only one state is really attracting the libertarians and that's New Hampshire.

Libertarians are leaving Washington, they are not heading there. Think not only about the current situation. Think about the future. With the FSP I think it's safe to say that New Hampshire will be the paramount libertarian destination.

jeremiahg

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Re: Washington vs. New Hampshire
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2014, 11:30:12 pm »

Thanks for the reply.  Yeah, those are definitely good points.  I also hold the belief that the war on Cannabis is collapsing, which is a good thing regardless of whether or not you use it personally.  My wife has a legitimate medical need for it, btw.  So it is an important issue for us.  It sounds like the hope of the FSP is that with enough libertarian activists in the state, we may be able to change some of the people in charge at the state level.  For example, I heard there have been legislators/police chiefs obstructing the medical law from taking full effect even though it passed?  But yeah, I am fully aware of the global trend to encroach on freedom.  The only practical option, aside from living completely off the grid, is to pick a place that has the most pluses.  Its a bit tricky to do so without the means to travel to different places, which is why I depend on informed opinions from guys like you.  I do remember visiting Seattle once for a job interview, and not being particularly impressed by the city or the attitudes of the people there.
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Re: Washington vs. New Hampshire
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2014, 12:30:39 am »

I could definitely see the hesitation to leave a state where there are easy access MM laws to a state like NH. Here is what NH has right now:

http://norml.org/legal/item/new-hampshire-medical-marijuana

That being said, there are plenty of heads that move here anyways from CA because even though the cannabis laws are so much worse, everything else is so much better.

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Re: Washington vs. New Hampshire
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2014, 12:32:17 am »

I lived 10 years in Seattle.  First, recognize WA west of cascades is deep blue liberal, while Seattle proper is socialist.  Central WA is deep red redneck conservative.  Blue outnumbers red so state votes blue.  Seattle and WA are amazingly beautiful, however, and unless politics is most important to you, it is easy to love living there.  Seattle is hugely pricey by comparison, so to really enjoy it takes dough.  WA and NH are comparable as police states.  I often drove from Seattle to east coast.  More cops between Seattle and Spokane than between Spokane and NJ.  NH cops are way more talented with radar guns however.
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jeremiahg

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Re: Washington vs. New Hampshire
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2014, 01:32:32 am »

Thanks for the feedback.  b2b_dna - You mention that you actually like Washington with the exception of its politics.  You are a "Free-stater".  Should I to assume that politics hold significant weight for you, so much so that you chose NH over WA?
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Re: Washington vs. New Hampshire
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2014, 10:50:33 am »

I spent a couple weeks in Washington. I really enjoyed the weather as I walked and hiked much of the time. There was never a drop of rain (summer). Seattle reminded me of Boston (which is just a few miles south of NH) in that you could walk for hours and still feel safe. Having to get a key from the McDonalds to unlock the bathroom because of the homeless problem was annoying. One shocker is the liquor is substantially more expensive in WA.

You can compare the two states politically.
http://freedominthe50states.org/overall/washington
http://freedominthe50states.org/overall/new-hampshire
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b2b_dna

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Re: Washington vs. New Hampshire
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2014, 11:29:49 am »

Thanks for the feedback.  b2b_dna - You mention that you actually like Washington with the exception of its politics.  You are a "Free-stater".  Should I to assume that politics hold significant weight for you, so much so that you chose NH over WA?

First, I consider myself an in-state friend of the FSP, and in fact, I'm a seasonal in-state friend with a primary residence in FL.  I left WA for the oldest of reasons--i chased a woman to FL.  I lived in NH much of the 80s, and my choice of NH for a summer home pre-dated my knowledge of the FSP.

I consider myself more interested in policy than politics.  Nearly all my concerns tend to be with Federal policy problems.  At the state level, 90% of my concern is addressed by "no state income tax" where WA and FL are solid, NH is only decent (they do tax interest and dividends, which is bad for a retiree like me).  That's why I maintain FL as my permanent residence.  At the state level, I also committed to myself nearly 25 years ago when starting a family that I would never send my kids to a union school.  So by choice, I have sent my kids to private schools, and never worried about public school nonsense except through the level of property taxes.

As to WA, like I said, Seattle is basically socialist, and demonstrates those ills.  Property is extremely expensive because they make it very difficult to develop (although western WA has continued to grow rapidly.)  Much of the stupidity is stuff you can engineer your life around, however.  Don't start your business in Seattle--choose a suburb.  Don't live in Seattle--choose a suburb or a small town.  This gets you away from mass transit taxes, extreme minimum wage problems, etc.  Choose a less expensive place to live (many of the central WA towns) and your property taxes will be far less than on the east coast, and you'll have no income tax.  Shop big ticket stuff in Portland OR (no sales tax)--there's a reason Portland is statistically the most over-retailed big city in the US.  (It's the same reason West Lebanon, NH is brimming with retail and White River Junction VT just 2 miles away has nearly none--NH has no sales tax, so half of Vermont shops in West Leb...)  There are advantages to the hippie/liberal lifestyle you find in Seattle--awesome food, coffee, beer, outdoor recreation, and a laid back vibe.  (In the end, I might have been forced to leave--dating a whack liberal is fun for a few weeks but wasn't going to last...)

Much of the same is true in NH.  I happen to live in a high-cost NH town with very high property taxes.  For NH, with its beautiful summer destinations in the Lakes Region and White Mountains, the property-tax-only tax policy makes great sense.  They charge the crap out of guys like me who aren't residents and can't even vote.  It's to the benefit of the NH natives that so much of the tax burden is borne by residents of MA, NJ, CT, RI, NY, etc.  There are much less expensive places to live in NH.

To me, the biggest difference between NH and the Seattle part of WA is that in NH, your neighbor probably respects your political differences and understands we all have our rights to our opinion.  I'm a hunter in a community that has lots of non-hunters.  They don't try to take my hunt away.  I try to be discrete in my actions.  In Seattle, by contrast, the liberals are hell bent on having it their way, and really don't think they need to respect your different political views (King County--Seattle's county--is somewhat infamous for having urban core dwellers imposing draconian land-use restrictions on the country farms in King County--were I the target of that, I would probably be in jail for armed insurrection...).  And NH has some of the very same benefits of having hippie liberals around--organic farms, healthy lifestyles, community involvement.
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Re: Washington vs. New Hampshire
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2014, 05:34:47 pm »

Thanks for the input and clarification.  Man, it sucks being a political minority :(  When did people stop believing in freedom?  Ah well, at least the FSP exists and is an option for people like us to congregate. 
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Re: Washington vs. New Hampshire
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2014, 07:41:05 am »

I'm aware of some differences between Oregon and New Hampshire.  I then became curious about Washington vs. New Hampshire.  I found a City Data forum discussing it, and was surprised by some people denigrating NH, particularly the last poster:  http://www.city-data.com/forum/city-vs-city/1744885-new-hampshire-vs-washington.html    How has your experience been similar or different from these criticisms of NH?  I'm particularly interested in hearing from people who have lived in Washington (or have visited on an extended basis).

In reading that last posters comments on the thread you linked to it sounds like he really choose the wrong part of the state to live in.

Here's a good breakdown of the two states
http://www.nheconomy.com/uploads/NH%20VS%20WA%20Sept-14.pdf

WA has higher taxes, a higher over all cost of living.

And as for the posters comments about crime, reality doesn't hold up.  NH is one of the safest states over all in the country, where as WA state as a whole has the 7th highest crime rates.  Comparing crime in one town in what sounds like the worse area to another state as he was doing is dishonest.  I'm sure there are areas within Washington state that have frequent break ins as well.



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