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« on: August 20, 2002, 08:55:53 pm »

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FSP needs to offer some value. I don't care if it is moving services, job placement services, real estate referral services, etc but ADD VALUE!  

20,000 voting age individuals is at least 10k home sales, home leases, and apartment leases. If 5k people buy homes worth $150,000 during the move EACH REAL ESTATE AGENT WILL RECEIVE ABOUT 22.5 MILLION FUCKING DOLLARS!!!!!!  (standard 3% commission). Add in the commissions on leases etc and you now have a business. Cross country moves are expensive. Become an agent for a national moving company- earn commissions on each move. Match your talented, young recruits to employers in the state of your choosing- earn headhunters fees.

Now charge $50 for access to these services and a newsletter. Through in a free job placement evaluation. Now pay $40 to each person that gets someone to sign up. Each individual is free to remarket the signups at a discounted rate (ie, his friends get $35 for their signups and the initial guy gets $5).

Start a Sales Agent Program. Let groups like NORML, college libertarian groups, etc resell your memberships at a profit. Put some marketing materials in their hands.

To get it started, you need some more capital for advertising. I estimate you have a business that could earn a substantial amount of money if run correctly and the force is with you. If you get your 20k members, your company then becomes worth $100+ million. You just change your business focus to being the premier government property auctioner in the world (10% commissions on $1 - 5 billion in real property). As your members become state reps, senators, governors, etc (assuming they can handle the power), you auction off federal and state real estate, surplus everything, existing debt etc. You may make the Fortune 500 even.

I'll buy private stock in your new company (FSP, Inc. :-) ) as long as you keep your P/E ratio in line.

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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2002, 12:07:22 pm »

Wow - those are some great ideas. Now if we have any entrepeneurs in our group???  
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2002, 11:56:14 pm »

Although that mostly went over my monetarily-challenged head, I have a feeling you're on to something important, Jubal.  $ does make the world go round.

And:  Woo-hoo I'm right next to the pretty gal with the rifle!

- D.O.

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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2002, 01:19:04 am »

Awsome

You rock Jubal

We just need to make sure that we are competent and we are better than the competition.  Basically instead of the 1.5%/1.5% commission on property sales we take only 1% for finding a house or maybe .5%  Since our market will come to us beacause they know that they are getting charged less and because they are part of the FSP then it will be easy to find property and sell it.  So we save them money and make us lots of money.  If our members put up the money to make this company then they will be making money too.  After everyone moves we disband the company and sell all assets and return the money to the shareholders.  It'd be great.
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2002, 01:49:07 am »

Sounds like there's some serious potential here.  20,000 people working cooperatively will definitely command some considerable financial clout.   ;D

And it would certainly be to our advantage to assist each other in any way possible to lessen the financial burden of moving and setting up shop in a new state.

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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2002, 01:11:36 am »

When it comes time for the move, I'd be more than happy to help people move their stuff cross-country.  I used to work for a moving company and it is a VERY profitable business.  Couple this moving company with a giant storage area  and...  KA-CHING!!!
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2002, 03:14:56 pm »


Hello, folks!

I’m always sympathetic to profit making, but I want to put under consideration an adverse idea that FSP should not be profit-driven.

Take a look at e-gold’s example.

It’s serving as a catalyzer—a central engine for electronic capitalism.

Yes, it makes profit, but not big, aimed mainly at maintaining self-reliance and a stable, risk-free existence.

Such uncommon practice of “business hygiene” proved very healthy to e-gold[/B], as it goes on existing and working (godblessit), unlike other old virtual monetary or “bankoid” systems. (Much forgotten FirstVirtual.com, or even PayPal.com, ballancing on the verge of collapsing, to mention few.)

In the same time, this doesn’t prevent leaders of e-gold from offering value-added services, but via separate businesses!

Therefore it would be good for the FSP founders to consider the same strategy, that is

FSP’s role as market catalyzer

acting through strategy of reclaiming some state back to liberty. Or, as a provider of political space for financial (and personal) freedom—as some member on another FSP forum has recently phrased it.

Simultaneously, nothing shall prevent FSP leaders to employ the herementioned Jubal’s idea, but via separate businesses.

People shall gain perception that FSP will enable them more profitable life, and yes, I think so too, that this impression shall be stressed in [advertising] public relations.*)

I’m not an advocate of the by me here expressed idea, I only suggest to take it under serious consideration. I don’t know myself what approach would be better!

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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2002, 04:06:46 pm »

This is a great idea! Although a lot of comissions go to overhead, there is no reason for the FSP to not arrange comissions deals that bring in some money to cover overhead and use for marketing and PR.

While not as easy as becoming an amazon affiliate, it has to be pretty easy to arrange.

Mark
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2002, 06:31:13 pm »

Hey, mlilback,

But, are you sure that it shouldn’t be done via an entity separate to the FSP itself?

You can start yourself offering such services. You can even declare to your customers that a specified portion (or all) of your income will be donated to FSP.

FSP doesn’t have to be an all-in-one Japanese-style megacorporation, or it won’t differ from a socialist government. (Even if non-coercive one.)

Still, developing the FSP economy is crucial, and an opportunity to capitalize on the large community of r a t i o n a l customers shall be pronounced and encouraged in FSP marketing.

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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2002, 06:53:34 pm »


Still, I’d like freestateproject.org to introduce at least a simple affiliation system, so that everybody will know his converting efficiency and have psychological reward for spreading the message.

In its minimalistic approach,*) such system could resort to an only one field more in the registration form. This would be designed for entering a code or name (at will) of the person—or company—who has introduced him to the Free State Project.

Codes don’t even have to be assigned centrally. They can be invented by everybody on his own behalf, privately.

Then, there would be published statistics of introduced members per every entered affiliate code.

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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2002, 07:23:46 pm »

Potentially, I can do this simple modification on the freestateproject.org server on my behalf—to save time and energy of FSP coordinators—if I only could be entrusted to gain access to administration facilities of the server. I am aware that I don’t deserve it, however, especially that I’m not signing this with my passport name. Anyway, if a need arises, I can provide my registered name to take liability to do such modification. I’m programming-literate.

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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2002, 08:03:15 pm »

A strong argument against making FSP for-profit: this would hinder our ability to advertize FSP on many free public fora (forums) available out there. For example, FSP would become unallowed to set up an IRC channel. (Not at least for free!)

Update: My second thought is that this argument could equally be used to argue against untertaking just any commercial activity :-).

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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2002, 09:27:24 pm »

Don't worry, the FSP is never going to become for-profit! ;)  Our corporate charter forbids that, for one thing.  All for-profit endeavors have to be undertaken by FSP members on their own initiative.
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