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LeopardPM

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Re:Co-housing
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2003, 05:18:53 pm »

Both the Earthship and the Monolithic Domes look extremely interesting - tho I would say that the Earthships might be more suited for the northern climates we will be moving to.... plus they look more... inviting.  I would be up for some sort of co-housing/temporary lodging type of idea... might even help contribute (read: invest) to the cause
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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2003, 06:26:07 pm »

The co-housing idea is quite appealing to me as well, although when I first read it, I definatly did think commune.  Several seconds later, though, it became apparent that intelligent cost-cutting has nothing to do with communes.

The major downside I see is this whole idea removing us from the established communities.  People would doubtlessly see us more as outsiders banding togther to survive and then take over their state if we clumped togther in group communities.  There would need to be a very delicate balance between this idea and proper community integration.
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« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2003, 07:17:31 pm »

LOL - I agree with the downside being we would be segregated from the local community - especially if we all built those Monolithic Domes... the locals would have to assume they were being invaded by some inter-planetary force, not us nice lil ol libs.
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« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2003, 07:36:06 pm »

We could all just hook up with the richest of us and camp out on his/her lawn  ;D
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Re:Co-housing
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2003, 07:42:28 pm »

The major downside I see is this whole idea removing us from the established communities.  People would doubtlessly see us more as outsiders banding togther to survive and then take over their state if we clumped togther in group communities.  There would need to be a very delicate balance between this idea and proper community integration.
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why not renovate an existing building in town, turn it into
a half-way house that tries to integrate people into the
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Re:Co-housing
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2003, 07:47:36 pm »

Something along those lines definatly does make sense.  I'm sure that many FSPers are very real estate savvy, and things could be done to help everyone out.

Ideally, we would want one member on every street, but that's not in the least practical.  With such an influx of people, there will have to be new development.  Hopefully that development will be done by other members.

If these small communities do form, then they will have to work togther in their activism, but also never bring up the fact that they are doing so.  Hopefully, the fact that the majority of people in a housing development were members would not become too obvious too soon...No covering the car in tons of bumper stickers  ;D
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Re:Co-housing
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2003, 12:44:48 am »

If these small communities do form, then they will have to work togther in their activism, but also never bring up the fact that they are doing so.  Hopefully, the fact that the majority of people in a housing development were members would not become too obvious too soon...No covering the car in tons of bumper stickers  ;D

'never bring up the fact that they are doing so'? - perhaps you mis-understand the intent of the FSP - we are going to be actively (selling if you will) convincing/discussing/persuading the local population to understand (at least) and hopefully convert to our view point.  I don't see how this can be accomplished if we are 'hiding' our political philosophy or our intentions.  The best thing we could do is cover our cars with bumper stickers - people read those, and just might get curious enough to explore what libertarianism is.  Advertising works, just look at your television.  We shouldn't be afraid to advertise ourselves, as frequently and as loudly as possible... IMHO
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« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2003, 12:44:44 pm »

LeopardPM, the dome is very well suited to the northern climate, because of its shape and construction they can withstand winds of 200 mph and the insulation is approximately equivalent to R 45.  A search of the internet will give you several dome manufacturers, some of whom live in the northernmost parts of the US.

another good site, with different construction is:

www.aidomes.com

see Oregon domes:  www.domes.com

from Minnesota:  Natural spaces domes  www.naturalspacesdomes.com


The cost is comparable to a stick build house once you include all the interior, land, permits, and utilities.  However, an entire 34 foot dome can be cooled with a small window-type airconditioner and heated with very little heat.

Personally I like the look.  ;D
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« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2003, 05:00:07 am »

Yes, we will want to advertise, but not immediately.  Think of it this way.  When we start showing up, we will be newcommers and everyone will know it.  We want them to come say hi and be neighborly.  We don't want to put them off or make them think we're wierdos (no domes or earthships, even though I believe both have definite advantages).  We want to seem like everybody else on the block for the first year we are there.  Let everyone get to know you and figure out you are a logical, faithful, friendly person who wants to do good for family and friends.
Then, when politics are discussed in the next election season, when you start discussing abstract political views, big evil government and Constitutional Law, your neighbors won't say "Silly Dome-worshipping Lune" they'll think about your views and say, "Bob has some very valid points, seems to have done the research, and always has been very logical since moving here.  Maybe I should go to one of those Libertarian Meetings he's been inviting me to these last three months, see what they're about."
If you show up and start building domes with porcupines painted on them, your neighbors will never listen to a word you say about politics, at least not while maintaining a straight face.  And you will not get a second chance at a first impression.
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Re:Co-housing
« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2003, 07:36:08 am »

So you're advising us to:

a) Pretend we're normal for the first year and then turn "weird"
b) Avoid building domes or earthships because they have definite advantages
c) Pretend my name is Bob

I plan on just being me, and if that doesn't work, then I'm a lost cause anyway. Why do we love overcomplicating things?

An earthship with a giant porcupine painted on it? Sounds pretty cool.

I understand the point you are trying to make but I think I'm pretty palatable just the way I am.

Yes, we will want to advertise, but not immediately.  Think of it this way.  When we start showing up, we will be newcommers and everyone will know it.  We want them to come say hi and be neighborly.  We don't want to put them off or make them think we're wierdos (no domes or earthships, even though I believe both have definite advantages).  We want to seem like everybody else on the block for the first year we are there.  Let everyone get to know you and figure out you are a logical, faithful, friendly person who wants to do good for family and friends.
Then, when politics are discussed in the next election season, when you start discussing abstract political views, big evil government and Constitutional Law, your neighbors won't say "Silly Dome-worshipping Lune" they'll think about your views and say, "Bob has some very valid points, seems to have done the research, and always has been very logical since moving here.  Maybe I should go to one of those Libertarian Meetings he's been inviting me to these last three months, see what they're about."
If you show up and start building domes with porcupines painted on them, your neighbors will never listen to a word you say about politics, at least not while maintaining a straight face.  And you will not get a second chance at a first impression.
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Re:Co-housing
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2003, 09:21:28 am »

This may be a good idea for the more social amongst us.

Personally, I don't want my neighbors that close to me or that involved in my life, land or facilities.  It is just a personal preference of course.
I agree with you 100% Reaper.  Maybe you and I should get together in the Freestate and.................wait a minute............never mind.
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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2003, 03:37:18 pm »

I like this thread.  It's showing that voluntary socialism is a natural response to a libertarian environment.  This is great, especially because we can prove a valuable point to the socialist/green movement, thereby attracting them to our cause.

I personally wouldn't live in one of these communities, my wife and I are very private people, but I get a warm fuzzy feeling just hearing about them forming.

A good idea to enter a co-housing group without resorting to constructing domes and earthships: Look into the concept of co-ops, but on a smaller and more loose level.  Most co-ops are giant apartment complexes in cities and suburbs.  However, co-ops are possible even in smaller "investment properties".  Find three friends and buy a small 4 unit property - properties with 4 or fewer units sometimes look like large single-family houses.  Then split the costs 4 ways, and you'll find that you're barely paying anything in mortgage/insurance/taxes.  If everybody chips in and fixes the place up you could have a serious seller on your hands a few years down the line, the profits from which could be used to buy outright your dome or earthship.  This also lowers the "freak" factor, as dome/ship building wouldn't start until a few years after the Free Staters arrive - people might not even make the connection.
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Re:Co-housing
« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2003, 10:38:45 am »

Ok! I want an EarthShip! How do I get one of these things???
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« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2003, 09:49:12 pm »

Melissa,
Earthship plans can be built from plans bought from the Earthship biotecture company.  There are also a 3-volume set of books by Michael Reynolds (you can get them on Amazon, I bought mine 2nd-hand on Ebay.)  They are not actual blueprints, but they give you alot of information and I have heard some people have built them using only those books. (I don't think I am that mechanically inclined!)  The first book is a great overview of the whole idea.  
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« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2003, 10:43:34 pm »

Thanks Heather. I emailed them asking, and they referred me back to their website. :P
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