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Something's Missing
« on: August 11, 2002, 07:52:51 pm »

I was very excited when I first learned of the FSP and quickly began reading all I could.  The first paragraph of the FSP site states:

"At this phase in our plan we need, above all else, more members! Whether you are yourself a member or are sympathetic but unable to relocate, you can help the project most at this point by spreading the word and asking other libertarian leaning people to join."

When I went to the official Libertarian Party website I saw no mention of the FSP, no links to the FSP Web Ring, not even a banner.  This was also the case on HarryBrowne.com and The American Liberty Foundation website.

My wife and I are willing to recruit and actually move from the west coast to anywhere for the sake of freedom.

Why aren't the heavy hitters helping?
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Re:Something's Missing
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2002, 08:23:42 pm »

Well, I can tell you that we aren't affiliated with the LP, although they did mention us in an LP News blurb several months ago, and we put a full page ad in the LP News in July.

We are not part of the Libertarian Party, although several members of the FSP also are LP members.  If I had to guess (and this is a guess) I would say that we are ultimately a threat to the National LP, whose goal is in direct opposition to ours.  They want libertarians to stay where they are and build up local support for their (IMO pointless) presidential campaigns.  We want libertarians to move to one place and concentrate on local politics.

I experienced extreme hostility in more than one encounter from one of the recent candidates for LP Chair, for example.

Now, local LP organizations have been quite supportive of the FSP (for the most part).  I think that's because these are the people who want "liberty in their lifetime," and the National people are more "big fish in small pond" types.

Again this is NOT any official position, just my own opinion.

Now, in general, you are absolutely right, we are not linked to nearly as many sites as we should.  Volunteers have been hard to come by.  Kim McGuire did a lot of great work on this, Steph Wilde is working on the project now, and Jason and I have done a bit too, recently.  But it's difficult to get all the myriad of PR tasks done with as few volunteers as we have...

(hint, hint, to anyone..... ;) )
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Re:Something's Missing
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2002, 08:48:57 pm »


I would say that we are ultimately a threat to the National LP, whose goal is in direct opposition to ours.  They want libertarians to stay where they are and build up local support for their (IMO pointless) presidential campaigns.  We want libertarians to move to one place and concentrate on local politics.

There may be individuals who don't concur with this directed approach, but it has always been my belief that the National LP's long term goal was to topple one state so as to serve as a shining example, a beacon of hope in our quagmire of hopelessness, and that would lead to a sort of domino effect on the rest of the nation, much as our national example was believed to be an encouragement to the rest of the world. Some may think it's bull, but that was what I believed the original hope to be.
Now, local LP organizations have been quite supportive of the FSP (for the most part).  I think that's because these are the people who want "liberty in their lifetime," and the National people are more "big fish in small pond" types.
The local activists are what the LP is supposed to be about anyway. If National doesn't act with respect to what the grassroots folks desire, they deserve to be ignored/replaced/upstaged/whatever. I commented in another string that I wouldn't care what the name of my freedom seeking group is, it's their actions that ultimately matter. I only believe that folks who carry the LP banner are most likely to be in agreement with my goals/dreams/desires, so lets take advantage of this commonality!
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Re:Something's Missing
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2002, 09:20:28 am »

The only thing that would be missing are the sheep.

My life has been socially arrested because of reading Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman in my youth.  i have tried to live my personal life by their principles.

I am ready to move to any state that  the group votes for.
if it is a cold state, i will just spend the winter months in Nevada.

If we get one tenth of the principles adopted in my life time, then i will be fulfilled. so, just work one the basics now.  Talk to people about this sight and the principles of freedon of choice.  These are being taken away from Americans  every day.

I will be ready to move in about three years. A job? I will be a dishwasher, janitor, anything to promote a cause such as this.

I live in Las Vegas because it allows the most freedom in the west.

John
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Re:Something's Missing
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2002, 10:55:04 am »

Montana is the freeest state, esp. if you exclude non-monetary considerations. This is obvious by the way they treat the Native & Hutterite communities, their open container laws, etc. But if you use the enforcement of tax laws, then Nevada leads the pack, esp. if you want to form a Nevada corporation.
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Las Vegas is known as the tax-free oasis of the U.S. since they have a lot of casino workers who do not give the casinos W-4s authorising the w/holding of income taxes. Normally, this would make the casinos liable for the income taxes of the employees. See
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/26/3403.html
Obviously, the casinos don't want to be stuck w/the liability, so they make such employees file a Withholding Exemption Certificate, as allowed under 26 USC 3402n. The casinos have a long history of ripping of the feds in other ways. A common ploy is to pay the employees less than the amount to disqualify them for the Earned Income Credit, or for federally subsidised housing. Then the casinos will build housing for the federal programmes, and collect the rent directly off the paycheque, as well as transportation to & from work and dry-cleaning and meals. Some of this is illegal, but they have the local federal judges in their pockets, if not their whorehouses.
As a result, Las Vegas has the highest per capita amount of employees who have seceded from federal income tax.
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Re:Something's Missing
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2002, 06:27:28 pm »

I recently heard the mormons took over montana... someone on the bus said this (not the best of references...)does anyone know about this?
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Re:Something's Missing
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2002, 10:18:49 pm »


I recently heard the mormons took over montana... someone on the bus said this (not the best of references...)does anyone know about this?


I can't say I've heard this, but as a 20+ year veteran of Portland's bus system... I wouldn't put too much faith in it. ;)
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