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 on: May 22, 2019, 08:35:25 pm 
Started by JasonPSorens - Last post by JasonPSorens
This topic has been moved to General FSP Discussion.

https://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=28967.0

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 on: May 22, 2019, 05:04:27 pm 
Started by SteveA - Last post by SteveA
There are so many things that I want to say but dang I hardly know where to start.

I remember the day Googling "SteveA" and seeing the 3rd listing was my profile page on this site *Puffs chest and pats self on back* ;) and even though I don't have an e-mail account anymore it's great to see I was still able to log into the site.

Skiiping a lot of detail, a few recent epiphanies could be:

a) Does the existence of Government mean that people are required (by law etc.) to impose violence against someone else (i.e. "Sorry, it's not me, it's the law") - basically the problem with Government is that there's an implied requirement/obligation to harm people even if there's no desire or motive to do so.

Think of the perspective of feeling obligated to enforce daft laws - trying to enforce others to similarly enforce others to similarly coerce/fight/threaten harm etc. others even if potentially none of those "combatants" have any grievance, or even know or have interacted with those "enemies" ...  to me that sounds like something close to hell.

Some good news:
b) We don't necessarily need to change "how it is".  (i.e. "Government" is ALSO constrained by reality.)  A couple recent epiphanies caused me to post here, one was after seeing a video where someone effectively said that Government is another entity in the 'marketplace' (in other words, ALSO dictated by reality and "the economy") as well as reading a comment on this forum mentioning Agorism and those ideas struck me as being very real and true.

Life is fundamentally anarchic.  That's "how it is" and things labelled "Government" aren't exempt.  At the end of the day, whatever needs a meal to eat and a place to sleep etc. needs that and we can argue all day long (or however long anyone wants and is able to) but it remains the same (until it doesn't and then we'll simply deal with that as it comes along) - police officers, communists, socialists and yes, even capialists still need what they need and, for example, police could put everyone in jail but then they'd have no farmers to feed them, noone to build, repair or fuel their cars, maintain their firearms or build and maintain jails etc.

In other words, if someone wants to live in this world, there are certain constraints to be considered and "bad guys" aren't excluded from that (my apologies to anyone who feels they've undeservedly fallen into the "bad guy" category).

c) Life is free and noone needs feel any obligation to harm anyone else. (i.e. a "law" saying you're drafted and must fight against somebody/something/someplace else ... is, as any other decision in life ... optional, yep!).

d) It doesn't matter what the propoganda is, "Government", as also constrained by "Nature/Time/God/The Universe/Whatever" etc. and when you understand that ... there actually isn't much to fight against - it's mostly paper tigers.

As Jason Sorens said a long time ago, we're not likely to fight a civil war again, and in fact most the disagreements now are simply liguistic/verbal disputes.  One of the epiphanies that hit me recently is that almost noone truly wants to fight anymore and mostly people are simply trying to understand how things truly are (probably not gonna happen anytime soon  :-\) and that most of the political disputes are simply over translations (i.e. communists want to protect workers from having their labor/energy from being exploited/stolen etc. and capitalists want basically the same thing - it's just the details where disagreements occur).

Interestingly enough, I think many of us aren't really here to change anything at all!  :D  We've simply been here living life (and quite a while for some) while trying to find a 'language' where we not only have little physical conflicts (already largely true for me and I assume many others), but we even speak a common "political language" with few arguments!  (Pretty amazing in many ways)  As an example many anachocommunists think that anarchocapitalism means that people want slave operated factories with smokestacks polluting a dead and barren treeless landscape while some anarchocapitalists may think of anarchocommunists as desiring to have mobs of desperate thieves roaming house to house pillaging whatever it takes to survive until they find another unlooted home.  I seriously don't think either of these "ideals" ;) is truly what anyone wants.

In both the above cases the commonality is Anarchy - now assume that's already how life is.  I believe the differences between the various "flavors" of it that people desire are simply varients of what type of friends and neighbors they'd consider desirable to be around.

Now, here's a "bonus challenge" ;) - imagine that we're ultimately going to live largely as we want (FYI the "paper tigers" are self destructing)... you (and I, of course ;)) may want to consider how that actually pans out.

Be careful what you wish for ;)
"SteveA"

P.S. Don't worry.  I think we've got (potentially a LOT of) time to figure out the details.  Wheeww! *wipes sweat from forehead*

"Build it and they will come." (I'd like to give credit to the originator of that but sorry, I don't exactly remember where I heard that expression).

Good luck guys.  I'm happy the FSP is still going and though I don't want to discount a lot of efforts, I DO believe part of what's making the change is that "the old" is simply running out of steam and if there's "a new", well "the old" won't be determining it.

Again, I think we're going to "win" this (and in hindsight maybe it wasn't a question of if but instead when)... it might be worth considering the position of being in "now that we've won ... what now?".  Thanks to many of you for having provided a lot of ideas to start with.

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 on: May 21, 2019, 09:43:59 am 
Started by Tet Omeg - Last post by Tet Omeg
Cool. And maybe a differently worded subject? ;)

Given the wink emoticon, I would guess that you're being facetious. If that's the case, then I assume it is permissible for me to repost the post in question but without the quotation of the abstract.

Not facetious, just friendly.

A friendly suggestion, or is a change of title a requirement? Because I'm quite satisfied with the title as it is. It's dubious any other title would be as good.

 64 
 on: May 20, 2019, 08:07:37 pm 
Started by Liberty603 - Last post by Liberty603
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 65 
 on: May 20, 2019, 07:36:33 pm 
Started by Aftershock00 - Last post by JonM
Generally the towns between Nashua and the coast that border Massachusetts are populated by Republicans who fled MA, or at least, they seem to vote that way.  I didn't run any stats on the last election, but in years where Democrats take control of the state legislature, most Republicans come from Hillsborough and Rockingham counties, and the peeps who live in NH and work in MA pay the MA 5.1% income tax and tend to resist voting for more spending.  Not that spending doesn't increase anyway thanks to healthcare costs etc.

So depending on your budget, how much land you want, and how close you want to be to a highway to get somewhere else will lead Mark Warden towards where he should help you look for your new property.

 66 
 on: May 20, 2019, 04:56:19 pm 
Started by Tet Omeg - Last post by JasonPSorens
Cool. And maybe a differently worded subject? ;)

Given the wink emoticon, I would guess that you're being facetious. If that's the case, then I assume it is permissible for me to repost the post in question but without the quotation of the abstract.

Not facetious, just friendly.

 67 
 on: May 20, 2019, 03:55:36 pm 
Started by Aftershock00 - Last post by Russell Kanning
in regards to where you want to buy and move to:

will you be working in a certain location?
still 80hpweek?

 68 
 on: May 20, 2019, 03:49:17 pm 
Started by Tet Omeg - Last post by Russell Kanning
I just saw the post ..... it sure looked like spam that happens on forums .... so I flagged it and said "spam?".

 69 
 on: May 19, 2019, 07:09:55 pm 
Started by Tet Omeg - Last post by Tet Omeg
Cool. And maybe a differently worded subject? ;)

Given the wink emoticon, I would guess that you're being facetious. If that's the case, then I assume it is permissible for me to repost the post in question but without the quotation of the abstract.

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 on: May 19, 2019, 10:17:57 am 
Started by Luck - Last post by Luck
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BIZ & ECONOMICS (Statist News below)

Five Things to Understand about Trump’s Trade War with China
https://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2019/05/09/five-things-to-understand-about-trumps-trade-war-with-china/

USA’s Declining Birthrate Is A Financial Warning: Recession Coming & Social Security Insolvency
https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/usas-declining-birthrate-is-a-financial-warning-recession-coming-social-security-insolvency_05162019

When economics loses its importance
https://mythfighter.com/2019/05/12/when-economics-loses-its-importance/

New York City Restaurant Jobs Are Collapsing in the Face of a Higher Minimum Wage
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/economicpolicyjournal/YZSb/~3/EWb5kWyzZaw/new-york-city-restaurant-jobs-are.html

America's Defense Budget Is Bigger Than You Think
https://mises.org/node/46398

Stanley Black & Decker investing $90M to shift more Craftsman production back to US
https://www.foxbusiness.com/retail/stanley-black-decker-craftsman-production

Trump Doubles Down on Ineffective Tariffs, Further Harming U.S. Farmers and Consumers
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/reason/HitandRun/~3/DrhUGO9skhQ/

America's Top Cities Swamped In Debt, Chicago Leads The Way
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/zerohedge/feed/~3/4i2j5mK-BmA/americas-top-cities-swamped-debt-chicago-leads-way

Exposing The Regulatory-Industrial Complex
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/zerohedge/feed/~3/AsDk8YPGGi0/exposing-regulatory-industrial-complex


POLITICS & Statist News

A Libertarian’s Case Against Intellectual Property
https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/bqbivo/kol253_berkeley_law_federalist_society_a/

"Trolling for Copyright Claims Against Online Hosts"
https://reason.com/2019/05/14/trolling-for-copyright-claims-against-online-hosts/

“Cultural Schizophrenia”: US Media No Longer Reports Facts, But Appeals To Emotions
https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/cultural-schizophrenia-us-media-no-longer-reports-facts-but-appeals-to-emotions_05162019

Reminder: Neocons ADMIT They Will Lie Us Into War
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CorbettReportRSS/~3/GuO3QUJcou0/

Five Years in Prison for Offending Someone Online (And Other News From The Twilight Zone)
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ActivistPost/~3/2ScL0u8tcyw/five-years-in-prison-for-offending-someone-online-and-other-news-from-the-twilight-zone.html

Thought Crimes? Facial Recognition Technology Is Invading The U.S.
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ActivistPost/~3/ceJMyvpSt6c/thought-crimes-facial-recognition-technology-is-invading-the-u-s-san-fran-passes-historic-privacy-bill-man-arrested-in-uk-for-hiding-face.html

The choice between more taxes or more government power, neither
https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/bqeafz/the_choice_between_more_taxes_or_more_government/

And people wonder why no one trust cops
https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/bqelpf/and_people_wonder_why_no_one_trust_cops/

Facebook Suspends Candace Owens For Saying Black America Needs to Wake Up to the Great Liberal Hoax
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TargetLiberty/~3/OEcYEKSYwus/facebook-suspends-candace-owens-for.html

Hundreds of Muslim Defence League members attacking women and children at Tommy Robinson MEP rally
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dz_Eas6Sy4

That feeling when you want to prove Islam is dangerous and 300 Muslims attack you and prove your point
https://i.imgtc.ws/R32wjpv.png

Polish Wikipedia user noticed that the admins are changing Jewish executioners to Polish in Holocaust articles to shift blame on Poland
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wykop.pl%2Fwpis%2F41332607%2Fwczoraj-wieczorem-napisalam-o-nowej-wersji-zaklamy%2F

Sweden: Security Service Arrest Several Islamists Including Leader of Muslim School
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/breitbart/~3/7NfodROmdPQ/

Britain's Violent Crime Wave Claims 100th Fatal Stabbing Victim of 2019
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/breitbart/~3/7puKqqugXiM/

Horrific Body Cam Shows Cops Publicly Execute Man for Holding a Flimsy Stick
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-kill-man-holding-stick/

Italian PM reportedly fires several top intelligence agency chiefs over their cooperation with Obama deep state in 'Spygate'
https://thenationalsentinel.com/2019/05/17/unprecedented-italian-pm-fires-several-top-intelligence-agency-chiefs-over-their-cooperation-with-obama-deep-state-in-spygate/

Cops Break Into Innocent Man’s Home, Hold Him at Gunpoint, Force K-9 to Shred Him
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/police-force-k-9-shred-innocent-man/

Baby Falls to the Ground as Officer Drags Mother from Car to Arrest Her
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/mothers-arrest-baby-ground/

8chan Jim's house was broken into by Vice journalists
https://mobile.twitter.com/infinitechan/status/1129674534775209985?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Voat being flooded with 27 day old kike accounts
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Al-Jazeera takes down AJ+ Arabic content after Friday video questioned number of Jews killed in the Holocaust [What holocaust?]
https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Al-Jazeera-video-questions-Holocaust-claims-Zionists-benefit-590082

Life in Prison + 419 Years for a Car Accident. This Liberal Madness MUST END NOW! . . . FREE JAMES FIELDS
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=nVW29RnP8DA

Israeli group tried to disrupt elections on 3 continents for YEARS
https://invidio.us/watch?v=OeYhDeOZivU

Illinois Republicans consider push to separate Chicago from state
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/illinois-republicans-push-to-turn-chicago-into-its-own-state

Chicago becomes first city to collect "Netflix tax"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/netflix-tax-chicago-becomes-first-municipality-to-collect-netflix-tax/

US Gov’t Now Openly Admits Pentagon Asks for Money to Directly Fund Terrorists
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/pentagon-requests-money-terrorists/

Cop Sends Tiny Woman Flying Through the Air for Filming Him, Fakes Charges—Not Disciplined
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-sends-woman-flying-filming/

Innocent Man Gets $60k Because Cops Forgot Their Oath to the Constitution
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/watch-innocent-man-gets-60k-because-cops-forgot-their-oath-to-the-constitution/

Corporate-Backed Political Violence Is Here
https://humanevents.com/2019/05/18/today-a-milkshake-tomorrow-a-brick-corporate-backed-political-violence-is-here/

Austria Bans Headscarves in Primary Schools
https://www.amren.com/news/2019/05/symbol-of-oppression-austria-bans-headscarves-in-primary-schools-sparking-criticism-on-social-media/

Stanford admits student whose application essay was just the phrase 'BlackLivesMatter' repeated 100 times
https://twitter.com/antipcnyuprof/status/1130027730114711553

The globalists are coming for every right wing government
https://files.catbox.moe/hzwio3.png

Major Israeli bank to pay $195 million penalty for US tax-avoidance scheme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTOkmpiHNjc

Snapchat's New Gender-Swap Filter Is Causing Problems For Social Justice Warriors
https://www.dailywire.com/news/47395/snapchats-new-gender-swap-filter-causing-problems-emily-zanotti

PG&E Plans To Cut Electricity to 5 MILLION California Residents
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/05/no_author/now-pge-plans-to-cut-electricity-to-5-million-california-residents-to-prevent-wildfires/

Why Do We Live Under a Monopoly?
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/05/george-f-smith/why-do-we-live-under-a-monopoly/

Violent Climate Change is Wet and Cold
https://coldclimatechange.com/violent-climate-change-is-wet-and-cold/

UK: 40 members of a Muslim sex trafficking gang arrested for child sex abuse
https://freedomoutpost.com/uk-police-arrest-40-people-in-massive-muslim-sex-trafficking-gang-for-child-sex-abuse/

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