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Title: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: DrLupo on January 04, 2015, 10:12:12 am
I signed up in 2005 to move. Life and marriage got in the way and I got stuck where I was for too long. I have been saving up and I am finally ready to make the move and settle down in one place for good.  I need some help narrowing down some towns to live in before I invest the time and money of driving up and exploring the areas. The hotels are not cheap up north like they are in NC.

Although my training is a chiropractor, I won't be doing traditional adjusting style chiro.  I currently work at one of the best functional medicine practices in the country and I would like to use my training up in NH.  Basically I give drug free options to folks to help manage their Diabetes, thyroid and auto-immune disorders. We use very comprehensive blood work ups and then design diet/lifestyle and nutrition to the findings.  This is pretty cutting edge stuff and very few doctors do it because the training is so intense.

I tell you this so you can understand what I am looking for. This work is so specialized it allows me to work in cash only and not to have to work in the insurance model. Because I mainly work with patients who have chronic conditions, their care plans can run anywhere from 3 months to 2 years.  The case fees can be anywhere from $1000-$12,000 depending how much they need. 

So I need to live close to a town with older folks who have chronic conditions and money.  I do not want to live in a major town, and I would really like to be up north enough to see a wonderful view.  I really want to wake up , look out my window and see a breathtaking view.

I would love some ideas where to move please.

Thanks,

Tarrin
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: elkingrey on January 04, 2015, 05:41:37 pm
All I can recommend is what my wife and I did. Start off in Manchester, and from there you'll have easy access to explore the rest of New Hampshire. Once you find the right spot, moving is easy. It's a lot easier to explore New Hampshire from a day drive than from North Carolina.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: JasonPSorens on January 04, 2015, 05:47:19 pm
That's great, Tarrin! For some reason I thought you'd already moved once before, but you've been here often enough. You might want to consider the Lakes region. Somehow it combines people with money (like Romney) and cheap housing. Mostly because it has no industry.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: DrLupo on January 07, 2015, 03:43:31 pm
Can you see the mountains from the lake region?  I really would like an amazing view like I see when I drive to Porcfest.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: JasonPSorens on January 08, 2015, 09:13:04 am
Can you see the mountains from the lake region?  I really would like an amazing view like I see when I drive to Porcfest.

Yep. Were you at either of the Gunstock Porcfests? They were in the Lakes Region. Mt. Major is one of the peaks on the south side of Winnipesaukee; some of us hiked it one year. The peaks are not as high or majestic as the Presidentials, but there are plenty of great views. For that matter, there are great views here in the Upper Valley as well, even though most of the mountains are under 2000 ft.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: DrLupo on January 08, 2015, 09:29:00 am
Jason, I am still getting a handle on the geography, what is the upper valley area?
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: JasonPSorens on January 08, 2015, 10:48:37 am
Jason, I am still getting a handle on the geography, what is the upper valley area?

Lebanon, Hanover, & surrounding towns near the Connecticut River, but north of Claremont: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut_River#The_Upper_Connecticut_River:_New_Hampshire_and_Vermont
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: DrLupo on January 08, 2015, 05:46:30 pm
 :) :)  Thanks Jason that helps.  I am trying to narrow down about 5 towns to visit since my explore time is limited. Any other ideas from anyone are also welcome.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: elkingrey on January 08, 2015, 07:36:18 pm
I have to say I am partial to North Country.

Wife and I lived in Franconia for 3 years. Loved it. Exactly what you're looking for. We had a perfect view of Canon Mountain and Lafeyette. We've recently moved up to Whitefield. Franconia and Whitefield are pretty sleepy, but Littleton and Lancaster are thriving, despite not "looking" like anything on the map.

I really think North Country is underrated. There are about a dozen or more free staters up north. So, we're nowhere near as huge as down south, but the living up here is fine.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: DrLupo on January 09, 2015, 10:18:36 pm
I am looking really hard at woodstock, lincoln and berlin.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: elkingrey on January 10, 2015, 09:59:19 am
The Lincoln/Woodstock area is really really nice. Right in the heart of the mountains. Lot's of restaurants and outdoor activities. Everything you need. You'd also be within a stone's throw of the entire state, really. I would choose that area before I'd choose Berlin.

I know of a free stater couple that lives in Lincoln, but I can't remember their names. I don't think they're very active on the internet. I met them a couple of years ago at Liberty Forum. They're in their early 30's. Young professionals.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: DrLupo on January 10, 2015, 08:14:52 pm
I am torn, I feel like if I move that far north I won't be around any cool social stuff, but man it is so pretty there, Lincoln really is calling me. Why did you move away?
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: KBCraig on January 10, 2015, 09:46:15 pm
I have to say I am partial to North Country.

Wife and I lived in Franconia for 3 years. Loved it. Exactly what you're looking for. We had a perfect view of Canon Mountain and Lafeyette. We've recently moved up to Whitefield. Franconia and Whitefield are pretty sleepy, but Littleton and Lancaster are thriving, despite not "looking" like anything on the map.

I really think North Country is underrated. There are about a dozen or more free staters up north. So, we're nowhere near as huge as down south, but the living up here is fine.

Tarrin, welcome home, finally!

There's one point about the North Country that you might find useful: the U.S. Olympic Ski Team. Their official team physicians are at Alpine Clinic in Franconia, and I've heard nothing but rave reviews about Dr. Chen and associates. Even local folks who need worker's compensation-type surgery do their best to get treatment there.

I'm in Lancaster. I wouldn't suggest Berlin, but don't let that dissuade you from doing all the research you need to do about the right place for your services. Traditional chiropractic is underserved here, but I know that's not what your'e interested in. With the grand hotels, massage therapy in spa-type settings has a market, and there are more spas here than you would think could exist, but the tourism market seem to make it work.

Mountain View Grand, Mount Washington Resort, Bretton Wood...
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: elkingrey on January 11, 2015, 09:06:53 am
I am torn, I feel like if I move that far north I won't be around any cool social stuff, but man it is so pretty there, Lincoln really is calling me. Why did you move away?

My wife and I aren't really that "social." Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that there are tons of liberty activists in the state. That's the main reason why I moved to New Hampshire. But I don't really see free staters as one big fraternity.

For me, the day to day living needs to be optimal. And I have that up north. Lots of trees and mountains. Very few people. I can totally understand, however, if optimal living means being around a lot of people. We're all different that way. Ultimately, you have to decide for yourself what's more important.

That being said, no matter what part of the state you live in, you're going to continue to see an influx of new liberty activists moving to your area, even up north.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: DrLupo on January 11, 2015, 10:23:04 pm
Thanks for the wise words. My activism has slowed, mainly I do passive activism like youtube or writing.  Had I moved up 5 years ago I would have been on the front lines like the folks in keene.  These days I prefer to just live free and hang out with the social events once a month.  I think I would rather live in complete beauty 99% of the time and just drive an hour to hang out once in a while instead of moving close to everyone in a place that I don't really want to live. 

Also cool about the ski team, one thing I picked up over the years is helping knee issues.  I worked at one of the best knee clinics in the east coast.  They specialized in saving people from knee surgeries with drug free methods.  It was really advanced stuff but it worked great.  I could probably make a fortune if I set up a knee clinic around all those ski places.

Thanks for the advice, anything else you know about that area let me know.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: ptb on January 13, 2015, 06:34:26 am
Tarrin, if you would like to stay a couple days in Grafton while you scout around NH, know that you're more than welcome to our guest bed.

- Peter
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: DrLupo on January 13, 2015, 09:55:13 am
I would love to check out Grafton too, I have not decided 100% what town to move to yet. I would really appreciate staying a night or two to check it out.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: Pat K on January 13, 2015, 04:27:56 pm
 :D 8)
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: DrLupo on January 14, 2015, 11:16:16 pm
I was looking at pictures of Franconia, it is so pretty.  Tell me more about that and Lisbon?
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: elkingrey on January 15, 2015, 09:01:26 am
I was looking at pictures of Franconia, it is so pretty.  Tell me more about that and Lisbon?

Lived in Franconia for 2.5 years. Our house (rented) had an amazing view. I think there are lots of houses in the Franconia area that will get you views of Canon and Lafayette. I will say the one difficult thing about north country is that there aren't many places to rent. But there are tons to buy. I think the reason why this is is because houses are so "cheap" that there's no point in renting for most people.

One thing you'll notice is that many of the small towns in north country have distinctive "flavors" to them, i.e. conservative or liberal. Franconia is a liberal town. I know most libertarians hate liberals with a capital H, but I generally prefer them over conservatives. I know both conservatives and liberals are fucked in the head, but I feel less threatened by liberals. Liberals at least value peace and tolerance, even if they suffer from cognitive dissonance. Conservatives tend to be much more violent, police and military worshiping people, I've found.

Again, let's not forget that we're living in a prison planet, so no matter where you go you're going to be surrounded by authoritarian pieces of shit. That being said, each person often has their preferences about what type of dirtbag they'd rather be around. My preference is liberals. If that's also your preference, Franconia is the place for you. I think Lisbon may have a more conservative lean to it, but I haven't spent a ton of time there. It's also nice, but not as nice as Franconia, in my opinion.

Franconia is clean and wealthy and safe. The police seemed very relaxed. It's an old hippy town, I've been told, and I don't think the people would put up with asshole cops. In fact, 6 years ago there was 1 asshole cop everybody in town hated. Some kid shot and killed the cop, then some armed bystander killed the kid. Everybody in town went to the kid's funeral and nobody went to the cop's funeral. Pretty interesting story in fact. There's actually much more to the story than that, but that's the short version.

We would have stayed in Franconia except for the fact that our landlords moved back from California (liberals who maybe saw it wasn't peaches and cream over there??) and wanted their house back.

Anywho, my vote would be for Franconia or Lincoln. But pretty much anywhere in North Country is a win as far as I'm concerned, except for Berlin. Bleh.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: DrLupo on January 15, 2015, 11:28:08 am
Man thanks so much for the insight.  I really need to check it out.  You are right, finding a rental that is not a high priced vacation rental is a bitch.  I am having a tough time finding anything in that area at all.  I also was checking out south of the mountains.  I saw tamworth and thought I would check on youtube for a town tour. Funny thing is, I found this video for Tamworth.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYpF5lizrrQ   So that place might be tainted a little, lol. 

I think I would be happy anywhere near the mountains with a view but I think I need to be 20-30 mins from a large enough town to get work.  I am tempted to go way up north to Pittsburg and the border, just for the experience, but I don't think anyone lives that far.

Oh BTW, what did you think of Littleton?
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: elkingrey on January 15, 2015, 12:12:25 pm
Man thanks so much for the insight.  I really need to check it out.  You are right, finding a rental that is not a high priced vacation rental is a bitch.  I am having a tough time finding anything in that area at all.  I also was checking out south of the mountains.  I saw tamworth and thought I would check on youtube for a town tour. Funny thing is, I found this video for Tamworth.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYpF5lizrrQ   So that place might be tainted a little, lol. 

I think I would be happy anywhere near the mountains with a view but I think I need to be 20-30 mins from a large enough town to get work.  I am tempted to go way up north to Pittsburg and the border, just for the experience, but I don't think anyone lives that far.

Oh BTW, what did you think of Littleton?

I would love to live up in Pittsburg or Colebrook area. Maybe some day I'll be able to make it happen. People do live up there, though.

Littleton is an excellent town. The old main street is thriving all the time, which is a rarity to see these days. Plus, that's where you go to do your shopping anyways. They've got Lowe's, Home Depot, Wal Mart, a really big and nice Food Coop, fast food, restaurants, you name it. They've got it. Lots of places to live around Littleton that are in the forests and are really nice. Littleton is a win, IMO. I would say Littleton is the best "big city" in north country. But again, if you live north of the notch, like say, in Franconia, you're going to be a short commute to Littleton or Lincoln, or wherever. And even if the commute is a little "long" it's still very pleasant! No such thing as traffic up north. And the scenery is amazing. North country really is a great place to live. In all honesty, if you're looking to rent a house, you probably won't get to choose the city you live in. You'll choose the house to live in and the house will choose what city you live in. You'll just commute to wherever you decide to set up shop.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: DrLupo on January 15, 2015, 07:30:01 pm
Thanks for all the great advice, I have been searching the Franconia , littleton area and it looks great!  Move back there when I move up , I would like at least one friend to hang out with.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: DrLupo on January 16, 2015, 06:11:32 am
Also there was another place I was interested in but I don't know anyone who has lived there.  Can anyone tell me about Conway?
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: elkingrey on January 16, 2015, 08:38:27 am
I'm in Whitefield now. It's only 30 min from Franconia and 20 min from Littleton.

Conway.... or is it North Conway?? is really nice. It gets a LOT of tourism. Lincoln also gets lots of tourism, but Conway might get more. I think on any given day there are more tourists in those towns than there are actual residents.

But Conway is really pretty with lots of nice restaurants and entertainment and outdoors stuff to do. It's a place I'd have no problem living in. I remember a couple years ago seeing a youtube vid about a free stater girl who lived in Conway. Don't know who it was or if she's still there.

I'm telling you, there are some absolutely amazing places in New Hampshire that haven't yet even been touched by Free Staters. I mean, I get it. Manchester has the biggest population and therefor the most activists and job opportunities. But damn. It's surprising to me to we haven't yet gotten a foothold on some of these other places. Somebody's going to have to get the ball rolling eventually.

Anywho, Conway is also a win, but you'll definitely be a good distance from any other free staters. At least right now. Like I said before, eventually we'll be everywhere.

Edit: Scratch that. There are a few people in Tamworth, I think, which is near Conway.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: DrLupo on January 16, 2015, 09:47:22 pm
I was looking at Whitefield online, it looks really nice too. Cheap land and houses.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: elkingrey on January 16, 2015, 10:39:15 pm
The downtown part of Whitefield is nothing to write home about. Nothing bad, per se, but nothing really going on there. But the outskirts of Whitefield are very nice. Whitefield is also a win.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: LakesRegion on January 16, 2015, 11:18:10 pm

Conway.... or is it North Conway??


North Conway is a village in Conway.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: DrLupo on January 17, 2015, 09:59:07 pm
Where is the area with the cheapest property tax?
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: LakesRegion on January 17, 2015, 11:19:31 pm
I think that kind of depends on where you want to live. In general, lower property taxes are in the north and higher property taxes are in the south...but that's not completely true. Parts of the Lakes Region and Seacoast are low too.

The following website should give you a rough estimate, but it doesn't look quite up to date.
http://www.joeshimkus.com/nh-tax-rates.aspx (http://www.joeshimkus.com/nh-tax-rates.aspx)

Current breakdown:
http://www.revenue.nh.gov/mun-prop/municipal/documents/2014-local.pdf (http://www.revenue.nh.gov/mun-prop/municipal/documents/2014-local.pdf)
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: DrLupo on January 18, 2015, 09:57:58 am
I am seeing some places in the north that say zero.  Are there areas with no tax up there?
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: LakesRegion on January 18, 2015, 11:58:44 pm
Oops...I linked to an outdated version. Sorry about that.

Here is a more current version:

http://www.joeshimkus.com/NH-Tax-Rates-2014.aspx (http://www.joeshimkus.com/NH-Tax-Rates-2014.aspx)

Kilkenny has a tax rate of zero, but nobody lives there. It's a mountain range...within the White Mountain National Forest....

I'm not sure why the others are listed as zero, but they do have taxes.

Success, Odell and Millsfield are townships. That means that they are unincorporated.

Success has a tax rate of 5.29, but nobody lives there year round. Some people have cabins on Success pond. It borders Berlin, which is the most northern city in NH, so that's interesting.

Odell has a tax rate of 8.27, and according to the US Census Bureau there is a population of 4.

Millsfield has a tax rate of 16.15, and according to the US Census Bureau there is a population of 23.

It sounds to me like you are especially interested in low property tax and living “up north”. At the same time though you don't want to live near a major town, but want to be near older folks who have chronic conditions and money.

Well, I know it's not “up north” but the Lakes Region has many older folks with money. My opinion might be a little biased since I grew up around here, but I think the Lakes Region is one of the nicest areas. Property taxes are lower compared to other parts of the state. Meredith, Center Harbor, Moultonborough, Tuftonboro, Wolfeboro, and Alton are all really nice places to live.

If you have your heart set on being “up north”,  then I would suggest the Conway area or Lincoln.

Lincoln is a really cool town. I've gone up there many times over the years, it's definitely touristy though. Great views for sure and it's right on 93. Manchester would only be about an hour and a half away.

The Conway area is probably nicer than Lincoln in that it has more stuff to do. Also very touristy. The view is probably about the same as in Lincoln....breathtaking. The drawback to Conway though is that you'd have to drive a bit longer. Manchester is probably about a two hour drive, but on the other hand it's closer to the Seacoast than Lincoln. Kind of all relative.

If you visit NH you should definitely try to hit the Lakes Region, Conway area, and Lincoln.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: DrLupo on January 19, 2015, 11:37:43 am
Well Conway and Lincoln were my favoriates but I am open to anywhere around there.   I will say this the Lake region is tempting just because they have Funspot!  I know I will be going there probably once a month and blowing all my laundry money.  I can't wait to finally see it.

Yes, I like everywhere you suggested on paper. I am hoping to come drive and see all this soon, how bad are the roads right now to these small towns? I need to make a loop and see all this but I need to also find some cheap hotels, I am doing this run with very little money.  Any ideas where I can find cheap places to crash that week?
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: LakesRegion on January 19, 2015, 03:26:50 pm
Yes, Funspot is awesome! Definitely my favorite place to go in all of NH. You have to check it out when you come for a visit. Plus it get's bigger and better every year. I'm more into the classic video games, but I was so excited when they got the Hercules pinball machine. It's so much fun to play, even though I still suck at it. Ten-pin and Candlepin bowling, bingo, and indoor mini-golf. What more could you ask for? Bob Lawton is the man. On most days I go he still hangs around watching people play games. The City of Laconia kept trying to stop him from building Funspot and he just kept fighting them. Gotta love that guy even though he supports Romney. Maybe he's just confused in his old age. Anyways, Funspot has an interesting history. When you go make sure to get a coupon from a store around here or print one off the website to get some free tokens.

Another reason you might consider the Lakes Region is that there is a meetup of local FSP participants. I'm not sure if you've heard of them or not, but here is a link:

https://www.facebook.com/LRPorcupinesNH (https://www.facebook.com/LRPorcupinesNH)

Gilford, Meredith, and Belmont have a FSP representative. So that's kind of cool if you are interested in working within the system aspect of it. I can't speak for the whole region, but from personal experience most people in the area seem friendly towards the FSP whether they know it or not. I'm not saying you should come out and say, “My name is DrLupo, and I'm a Free Stater.” That would be kind of odd. There are a ton of people that have moved from other states to NH, so it's not like it would be unusual for you to move to the area. You probably will get the question, “Why did you move to NH?”. I'd suggest saying something along the lines of, “I love the idea of liberty and freedom. I like the fact that there is no income or sales tax. It's great that the government has personal responsibility when it comes to car insurance, and wearing seat belts etc.” and maybe slip in a Live Free or Die in there for good measure. NH is not a libertarian paradise. Not everyone you meet here is going to be liberty minded; however, there are definitely more liberty minded people here than anywhere else in the world.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by “how bad are the roads right now to these small towns?”. Do you mean like “winter driving” or in disrepair? I'm assuming you are asking about driving in the winter. You really shouldn't have an issue if you pay attention to the weather. Don't drive during a snow storm or when it's icy out. We've hardly gotten much snow at all this year, which is very unusual. It's been a long time since we've had such a green Christmas, that I can remember anyways. Very cold and yet it got warmer yesterday which made it very icy out. You have to watch out for that black ice. Four wheel drive is useless on ice. The only things it's really good for is accelerating, it's nice to have but it isn't a necessity. Definitely should have snow tires though, that's kind of a must unless you have really, really, good all seasons. Personally, I'd still go with winter ones though. As for a visit, I'd think you'd be fine as long as you pay extra close attention to weather conditions. I mean it's not like people don't drive up here because of snow. This is NH and it snows here...Just don't drive like a maniac and watch out for the other guy. Conditions can change fast. The drive to Lincoln and the Lakes Region should be easy. The Conway area might be a bit more tricky, but I've certainly done it in the winter before many times.

Well I know the cheapest place to stay in my area is the Landmark Inn in Laconia. I thinks it's only like $60 dollars a night. I've heard good things from some people and some not so good things from other people. I might want to look into airbnb.com if I were you.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: DrLupo on January 20, 2015, 11:34:25 am
Wow thanks for all the advice, this helps a great deal.  I just have zero idea what to expect moving there. I super excited to be near Funspot though. I am bouncing back and forth between a few cites up north.  I just have to make a trip up at this point. I was hoping there was a liberty flop house around, kind of like Keene has. I got to do this on a very tight budget.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: LakesRegion on January 20, 2015, 11:45:43 pm
Yeah, no problem. I wish I could be of more help, but as far as I'm aware nothing like that exists up this way yet. That would be cool though. Well, let me know if you have any questions about the area, and I'll do my best to answer them.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: DrLupo on January 22, 2015, 10:36:20 am
Does anyone know of cheap places to stay up north?  Anyone want to rent me a room or spot to crash in the spring?
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: JasonPSorens on January 22, 2015, 11:58:41 am
If you want to go really cheap, check out hostels and cabins! Dartmouth has some cabins that they rent out at $25/person/night. They're in the wilderness and sometimes lack electricity, but...
http://www.hostels.com/new-hampshire-state/usa
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: JasonPSorens on January 22, 2015, 11:59:49 am
BTW, I'm happy to let you crash here, but we're as far from Conway and Lincoln as Manchester is.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: DrLupo on January 22, 2015, 02:41:17 pm
Jason thanks so much for the offer, I will let you know if I come out that way for a night.  Also thanks for the great link.
Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: KBCraig on February 25, 2015, 02:21:45 pm
I have to say I am partial to North Country.

Wife and I lived in Franconia for 3 years. Loved it.

You know, I've still never met your wife. If your mom didn't mention her now and then, I'd start to suspect she was fictional.  ;)

Title: Re: Finally making the move after 10 years of trying!
Post by: elkingrey on February 25, 2015, 06:41:27 pm
I have to say I am partial to North Country.

Wife and I lived in Franconia for 3 years. Loved it.

You know, I've still never met your wife. If your mom didn't mention her now and then, I'd start to suspect she was fictional.  ;)



That's what everybody says!  :D