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Title: Forget Oath Keepers (See last post in thread)
Post by: Luck on August 01, 2009, 10:50:14 pm
At Murphy's today I mentioned that I'm thinking about promoting Oath Keepers to cops & other public servants, because of the possibility of imminent economic crash, martial law, forced vaccinations etc. And the group had a discussion about that for a while, expressing similar views, interest and sentiments. I just joined the Oath Keepers forum [previously at ning.com].

I'll be in the Nashua-Manchester area till Aug 20, so I could collaborate with others till then in this area, if anyone likes, to promote Oath Keepers [and FSP/NHLA]. I plan to be at the Live Free or Die rally and I hope to promote Oath Keepers there too. After that I'll be near Newport and maybe Grafton, so I could promote it there then, but I may be able to get rides to other areas to promote it to too.

My email is ...
Title: Ask Cops, Military, All Public Servants to Join Oath Keepers
Post by: Luck on August 02, 2009, 11:56:17 am
OATH KEEPERS: ORDERS WE WILL NOT OBEY
http://oathkeepers.ning.com

1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people

3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.
Title: Re: Ask Cops, Military, All Public Servants to Join Oath Keepers
Post by: LiftsBoxes on August 03, 2009, 09:52:26 am
As we discussed at Murphy's, I think promoting this group has a lot of merit.  Since we know these forums are read by members of the law enforcement community, I'd like to commend any of you who are already members of Oath Keepers.

Anybody who wants to take our Saturday discussion further, please feel free to email / PM me.
Title: Re: Ask Cops, Military, All Public Servants to Join Oath Keepers
Post by: Luck on August 03, 2009, 11:15:37 am
I'm working now on the following plan to promote Oath Keepers.

We want to invite cops, military & other public servants, as well as concerned people, to attend local Oath Keepers meetups.

I'll try to compose a meeting format for such meetups.

We should probably recruit Liberty Movement and Peace Movement people to organize these meetups & help invite people to attend.

I'll try to compose also a leaflet on how to find good places for meetups.

Suggestions for the leaflet and meeting format are welcome.
Title: Re: Ask Cops, Military, All Public Servants to Join Oath Keepers
Post by: Nd2bfree.45acp on August 03, 2009, 11:59:41 am
6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

Although I strongly agree with every part of this oath , I think these two lines might turn alot of people away and make them just dismiss this as some extremist
propaganda ,and again I dont have any problem with it ,but I think most of the american public are just not ready to accept words like concentration camp,and detention camp
thats just to "extreme"and in there eyes it makes you lose some credibility,because of the "that would never happen here" attitude most of the sheep have.
so, I think this would serve you better if it just read

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities
7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of mass detention.
just some food for thought :)
Title: Re: Ask Cops, Military, All Public Servants to Join Oath Keepers
Post by: Luck on August 03, 2009, 05:02:33 pm
* Thanks for that suggestion. I can use that for the meeting format or something.

* By the way, [Nov. 22, '09]  this seems to be a compatible pro-liberty effort among younger folks to seek office: http://www.yearofyouth.org (http://www.yearofyouth.org). Looks like they're pretty ambitious and fairly organized.
Title: Re: Ask Cops, Military, All Public Servants to Join Oath Keepers
Post by: TEBON on August 03, 2009, 06:15:24 pm
I really dig this idea. . .and it'd be great to have other oaths for other forms of government work. 

I will never catalog my fellow citizens in databases or help to watch my fellow citizen in their private homes. . .etc.

there could even be some for welfare workers, etc.
Title: Re: Ask Cops, Military, All Public Servants to Join Oath Keepers
Post by: Delphina on October 20, 2009, 01:56:51 pm
I have a friend in the Academy and have sent him a link.  He and I have gone back and forth regarding my recent anti-statism and his pro-statism (fueled no doubt by his military back ground). My frustration with the tyrants in power who MISUSE their loyalty tends to translate as not just anti-statist but anti-state worker.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  I have been in the past and continue to be very supportive of the majority who serve our country and on our streets protecting us with their lives - this organization is something I can get behind 100% because it is there for those who serve not for the power high (they do unfortunately exist), but to up hold the values and ideals that we all share.
Title: Re: Ask Cops, Military, All Public Servants to Join Oath Keepers
Post by: Delphina on October 22, 2009, 07:05:43 am
I just saw this horrendous 'interview' by Chris Matthews.   What a disaster of a 'journalist'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVTauxgcNEA

I couldn't even watch further than 1/2 way through because I was getting ill at the unabashed logical fallacies...

My police academy friend is interested - he'll look into it as soon as he passes his exams.

Mr. Rhodes did an EXCELLENT job, btw. Loved the thrill up your leg comment.  ;D
Title: Re: Ask Cops, Military, All Public Servants to Join Oath Keepers
Post by: conyeezy on October 25, 2009, 10:35:38 am
having had some sort of organization like this, loose as it is, would have gone a long way to strengthening my resolve while i was in the military. kudos to the oath keepers!
Title: Sheriff Mack's Book
Post by: Luck on December 19, 2009, 11:03:21 pm
* I recommend the book, THE COUNTY SHERIFF - OUR LAST HOPE, by Richard Mack, former Sheriff in Arizona.
* The book is available for $12 from Richard Mack, P.O. Box 971, Pima, AZ 85543. It's much cheaper in bulk, $450 plus shipping fees for 100 copies, which is $4.50 each plus shipping.
* "Sheriff" Mack is a member of http://Oathkeepers.org (http://Oathkeepers.org), which is for police, military and all citizens who wish to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Please join. It's free. Oathkeepers meetings are good places to persuade conservatives to join Libertarians for Liberty.
* You can read some of the best parts of the book at this link: http://fsp.lefora.com/2009/12/14/1-3 (http://fsp.lefora.com/2009/12/14/1-3).
* He mentions that the Supreme Court ruled that state and county officials are not obligated to do anything that the federal govt tells them to do. Congress passed the Brady Bill in 1994 which said that sheriff's must enforce registration of all guns etc, but the court ruled that the act is unconstitutional. So Mack says sheriffs should also not enforce IRS rulings to steal from citizens. He calls the IRS the American Gestapo. He also considers the drug war a farce. See the link above. The leaflet there is worth copying and passing around.
Title: Re: Ask Cops et al to Join Oath Keepers - See Mack's Book
Post by: Luck on January 13, 2010, 04:02:37 pm
* An OK member mentioned that Vermont has a proposed resolution asserting state sovereignty, which I found here: http://windsorcounty.blogspot.com/2009/08/vermont-state-sovereignty-resolution.html (http://windsorcounty.blogspot.com/2009/08/vermont-state-sovereignty-resolution.html)
* Does NH have such a resolution ready for a vote in the legislature? Or is it satisfied with its Article Ten, which I imagine might be good enough?
Title: Re: Ask Cops et al to Join Oath Keepers - See Mack's Book
Post by: rossby on January 13, 2010, 04:08:12 pm
Seriously, what's with the asterisks (*)?  ;)
Title: Re: Ask Cops et al to Join Oath Keepers - See Mack's Book
Post by: John Edward Mercier on January 13, 2010, 05:58:27 pm
NH Constitution Part First Article Seven covers State sovereignty.

[Art.] 7. [State Sovereignty.] The people of this state have the sole and exclusive right of governing themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent state; and do, and forever hereafter shall, exercise and enjoy every power, jurisdiction, and right, pertaining thereto, which is not, or may not hereafter be, by them expressly delegated to the United States of America in congress assembled.

June 2, 1784


Asserting something repeatedly is sort of a waste. The problem is that a State enters agreement with the federal government for extraconstitutional funding. Many would like to see the extraconstitutional funding without any fiduciary oversight of taxpayers' money from Congress. Vermont being one of the many States that receive positive net federal dollars.
Title: Re: Ask Cops et al to Join Oath Keepers - See Mack's Book
Post by: Dreepa on January 13, 2010, 09:10:40 pm
Stewart Rhodes of Oathkeepers will be speaking at the 2010 Liberty Forum
Title: Re: Ask Cops et al to Join Oath Keepers - Manchester/Nashua Meetings
Post by: Luck on March 02, 2010, 09:46:39 pm
* I think we'll have an Oathkeepers meeting at Murphy's Taproom basement at 4 pm on March 23, a Tuesday.
* I'll also try to have one at the Freedom Forum at Barnes & Noble in Nashua at 7 pm on March 18, a Thursday.
Title: Re: Ask Cops, Military, All Public Servants to Join Oath Keepers
Post by: Bondurant on March 03, 2010, 01:04:18 pm
OATH KEEPERS: ORDERS WE WILL NOT OBEY
http://oathkeepers.ning.com

1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people

3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.


A few weeks ago MSNBC was running wild about the Oath Keepers.  They were treating the group as covert white supremecits and rightwing radicals.  I'll bet no one read any of the above or, in typical MSNBC fashion, they just don't care about the facts.
Title: Re: Ask Cops et al to Join Oath Keepers - Manchester/Nashua Meetings
Post by: Luck on March 04, 2010, 01:23:03 pm
* You can see and hear Stewart Rhodes on Chris Matthews Hardball and on Bill O'Reilly at http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=stewart+rhodes&search_type=&aq=f and those are somewhat antagonistic, but Alex Jones and G. Gordon Liddy seem to be very agreeable with Rhodes.
* I used to listen to Liddy on the radio a lot. He was one of the Watergate burglars who got put in jail for a while. He had been a lawyer and an FBI agent previously. I enjoyed his condemnations of government atrocities at Ruby Ridge and Waco. He called the ATF and the FBI Hostage Rescue Team rogue agencies. I think elements of the CIA, the IRS etc are likewise rogue agencies.
Title: Re: Ask Cops et al to Join Oath Keepers - Manchester/Nashua Meetings
Post by: Dreepa on March 04, 2010, 01:23:29 pm
You can see and hear Stewart Rhodes on Chris Matthews Hardball and on Bill O'Reilly at http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=stewart+rhodes&search_type=&aq=f and those are somewhat antagonistic, but Alex Jones and G. Gordon Liddy seem to be very agreeable with Rhodes.

Stewart will also be speaking at the 2010 Liberty Forum in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Ask Cops et al to Join Oath Keepers - Manchester/Nashua Meetings
Post by: Luck on March 04, 2010, 02:09:39 pm
* Since you mention that Stewart will be speaking at the Liberty Forum, I thought we might as well add the details. See http://www.freestateproject.org/libertyforum
The Liberty Forum will be Thursday March 18 to Sunday March 21, 2010 at the Crowne Plaza Hotel at 2 Somerset Pkwy, Ste 1, Nashua, NH 03063.
Here's a map: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=trafalgar+square+%26+crowne+plaza,+Nashua,+NH&sll=42.787866,-71.506448&sspn=0.004071,0.011276&ie=UTF8&hq=trafalgar+square+%26+crowne+plaza,&hnear=Nashua,+NH&ll=42.787429,-71.505606&spn=0.001937,0.005638&z=18

The schedule says Stewart will speak from 2:45 to 3:45 on Friday, 3/19 in Ballroom C/D.

I think I'll also want to hear the following.
Brett Veinotte speaks against govt schools from 2:45-3:45 on Sat, 3/20 in the Amphitheater.
Angela Keaton speaks on anti-war from 4-5 on Sat in Ballroom C/D.
Title: Re: Ask Cops et al to Join Oath Keepers - Manchester/Nashua Meetings
Post by: maxxoccupancy on March 05, 2010, 02:22:29 pm
I'll ask my fellow constables in Seabrook.  More members add weight to the importance of this.
Title: Re: Ask Cops et al to Join Oath Keepers - Manchester/Nashua Meetings
Post by: Luck on March 25, 2010, 07:10:50 pm
* You can go here to join the NH Oathkeepers forum: http://oathkeepers.ning.com/group/newhampshire
* If anyone would like to help the Manchester Oathkeepers group, you can go to Taproom Tuesdays and put up a sign on your table saying Oathkeepers, or join a table where there's already such a sign.
* The state coordinators for Oathkeepers seem to want to approve all Oathkeepers meetings in NH, so I'm calling the OK discussions at the Taproom a discussion instead of a meeting.
* The Freedom Forum at Borders in Nashua can also discuss OK from 7-9 on Wednesdays.
* Max says he also started a group in Hampton Falls, but I don't remember if he told me the day and time.
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers Story [New]
Post by: Luck on October 08, 2010, 07:24:17 pm
* The following is from http://oathkeepers.org . A NH Oathkeeper, John Irish, had his newborn taken by govt agents yesterday, it seems. I met John last year at an OK meeting that I organized at Murphy's. He wasn't a pleasant person, but I don't think he deserved to have his baby girl taken away, esp. if it was for associating with Oathkeepers. - Luck.

October 7th, 2010
Oath Keepers statement about video titled, “Government Agents Seize Oath Keeper’s New Born From Hospital”

Stewart has just now as of 7:45PM PST, spoken to the father and he is faxing documents to Stewart. We are establishing a legal defense fund. Once it is confirmed through documentation that the father’s association with Oath Keepers was listed as a reason, even if among several reasons listed, for taking the child, we will actively pursue aggressive legal remedy and redress. We will assist in locating competent local legal counsel in New Hampshire and additional expert legal counsel from around the country in First Amendment and child custody law. Stewart, who has worked on several First Amendment cases in State and Federal court will also volunteer his services to assist in the case Pro Bono.

Here is Stewart’s statement for now:

We are doing all we can to confirm and document this. But if is IS accurate, and a newborn child was ripped from her mother’s arms because the parents were “associated” with Oath Keepers by simply being members of our online ning discussion forum, then this is a grave crossing of a very serious line, and is utterly intolerable. It cannot be done. It cannot be allowed to stand.

If it is true, then I will do all in my power to stop it. We will pull out all the stops, every lawful means of seeing that this child is returned to her parents and that all persons responsible are held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. There can be no freedom of speech, no freedom of association, no freedom to even open your mouth and “speak truth to power,” no freedom AT ALL, if your children can be black bagged and stolen from you because of your political speech and associations -- because you simply dare to express your love of country, and dare to express your solidarity and fellowship with other citizens and with active duty and retired military and police who simply pledge to honor their oath and obey the Constitution. It was to prevent just such outrageous content based persecution of political dissidents that our First Amendment was written.

If true, then this is as bad, and in fact worse, than any of the violations of liberty that our Declaration of Independence lists as the reasons for our forefathers taking up arms in our Revolution and for separating from England. We no longer have freedom at all if this is allowed to be done. And we will not let it stand.

Stewart Rhodes
Founder of Oath Keepers

Stewart will post additional statements and info as this situation develops. Please be ready to flood the responsible parties with phone calls and emails to put public pressure on them in the court of public opinion.

UPDATE : 10/07/2010 10.53PM PST -- We have confirmed that the affidavit in support of the order to take the child from her parents states ,along with a long list of other assertions against both parents, that “The Division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the Oath Keepers.” Yes, there are other, very serious allegations. Out of respect for the privacy of the parents, we will not publish the affidavit. We will leave that to Mr. Irish. But please do remember that allegations do not equal facts -- they are merely allegations (and in my experience as a criminal defense lawyer in small town Montana I saw many allegations that proved to be false).

But an even more fundamental point is that regardless of the other allegations, it is utterly unconstitutional for government agencies to list Mr. Irish’s association with Oath Keepers in an affidavit in support of a child abuse order to remove his daughter from his custody. Talk about chilling speech! If this is allowed to continue, it will chill the speech of not just Mr. Irish, but all Oath Keepers and it will serve as the camel under the tent for other associations being considered too risky for parents to dare. Thus, it serves to chill the speech of all of us, in any group we belong to that “officials” may not approve of. Don’t you dare associate with such and such group, or you could be on “the list” and then child protective services might come take your kids.

Note that there is no allegation that Oath Keepers is a criminal organization or that Mr. Irish, in the context of his association with Oath Keepers, is committing any crime. We are not advocating or planning imminent violence, which is the established line where free speech ends and criminal behavior begins (See Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969), which, as Wikipedia notes, “held that government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless it is directed to inciting and likely to incite imminent lawless action. In particular, it overruled Ohio’s criminal syndicalism statute, because that statute broadly prohibited the mere advocacy of violence.” We don’t even advocate that the current serving use violence of any kind, let alone imminent violence. We ask them to merely stand down.

Neither is Oath Keepers a militia, for that matter. However, EVEN IF WE WERE, that also would not be a valid reason to take someone’s child away. PRIVATE MILITIAS, JUST LIKE OTHER VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATIONS, ARE NOT ILLEGAL, and it is not a crime to associate with them. To the contrary, we have an absolute right, won by the blood of patriots, and protected by our First Amendment, to freely associate with each other as we damn well please so long as we are not advocating or planning imminent violence or directly harming our children (and no, teaching them “thought crime” like “All men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights,” or that those who swear an oath should keep it, does not count -- at least not yet). A parent associating with a militia is not engaged in child endangerment and is not evidence of child endangerment (despite the shrill screeching of people such as Mark Potock of the SPLC, who desperately wants it to be so). Just recently a Time Magazine article described how the reporter visited the happy home of a militia member and his family -- and those kids are still at home, where they belong, as is the case with many th0usands of children across this country who have parents who “associate” with private militias and all manner of other non-criminal groups. You had damn well better defend the rights of those parents to freely associate in their militias and keep their kids while doing so. You can bet that if you let such an association be listed as grounds for taking children from their parents that it won’t only be militia folks who have their rights violated. Homeschoolers, evangelical Christians, gun owners, etc. will also be on the hit list. Just wait.
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers Nationally Publicized Story [New]
Post by: Luck on October 08, 2010, 07:29:54 pm
* Here's a photo of John Irish and his daughter [of Claremont, I think] from this site: http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2010/10/government_agen.php. (http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2010/10/government_agen.php.)(http://www.hyscience.com/Stolen%20infant.jpg)
* There are a lot of websites discussing this story: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&expIds=25567,25657,26262,26644,27007,27015&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=%22john+irish%22+oath&cp=17&pf=p&sclient=psy&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=%22john+irish%22+oath&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=a29c82155c57878e
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers Nationally Publicized Story [New]
Post by: Luck on October 08, 2010, 08:42:40 pm
* Oops! False alarm! The mother was a crack addict, so it's okay.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1214470/pg37 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1214470/pg37)
The affidavit states (#5), "termination of parental rights was recently concluded" (regarding the other 2 children mentioned. This means the children are not, and have not been in the household for some time.

[link to www.infowars.com]

That might be true but from what I understand this had to do with a previous marriage...I'm also hearing she was a crack addict....

courts.delaware.gov/OPINIONS/download.aspx?ID=137860

If someone could open that it would be nice to read....

This may have been from her PAST though...
 Quoting: Tali


IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF DELAWARE
STEPHANIE TAYLOR,1
§
Respondent Below,
§
Appellant,
v.
DIVISION OF FAMILY SERVICES,
§
Petitioner Below,
§
Appellee.
§
No. 482, 2009
Court Below—Family Court of
the State of Delaware in and for
New Castle County
File No. 08-09-05TN
Pet. No. 08-29280
Submitted: March 8, 2010
Decided:
May 11, 2010
Before HOLLAND, BERGER and JACOBS, Justice.
ORDER
This 11th day of May 2010, upon consideration of the appellant’s
opening brief, her attorney’s motion to withdraw, and the respective
responses of appellee-Division of Family Services (DFS) and the attorney
guardian ad litem appointed by the Family Court, it appears to the Court
that:
(1)
The appellant, Stephanie Taylor, has appealed the Family
Court’s July 22, 2009 termination of her parental rights (TPR) in her minor
1
By Order dated June 30, 2009, the Court assigned a pseudonym to the appellant. In this
Order we also assigned a pseudonym to the minor child. Del. Supr. Ct. R. 7(d).
child, nine-year old Nathaniel.2 On appeal, Taylor’s counsel has filed an
opening brief and a motion to withdraw pursuant to Supreme Court Rule
26.1.3 Taylor’s counsel submits that she is unable to present a meritorious
argument in support of the appeal.
Through her counsel, Taylor has
submitted several points for this Court’s consideration.
DFS and the
attorney guardian ad litem have moved to affirm the Family Court’s
judgment.
(2)
The record reflects that Taylor has a long history of crack
cocaine addiction and has been incarcerated several times as a result. Taylor
also has an extensive history with DFS. At the present time, Taylor is caring
for only one of her children. In 2007, the Family Court terminated Taylor’s
parental rights in a younger sibling of Nathaniel. Two other siblings live
with relatives.

[See more at the link above.]
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers Nationally Publicized Story [New]
Post by: Luck on October 12, 2010, 09:04:53 pm
1st [& 2nd?] Amendment Rights Rally noon to 4 in Dover on Thursday with Stewart Rhodes and possibly media. See http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=69.0 (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=69.0) for details.
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers [Update: Sheriff Position Worth Campaigning for]
Post by: Luck on July 15, 2011, 10:51:28 pm
* Wikipedia says sheriffs are the highest ranking law enforcement officers in the state, in contrast to what someone said on this forum some time back. If true, it would mean it's worth getting FSP libertarians to run for that office. Sheriff Mack said sheriffs can help restore Constitutional government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheriffs_in_the_United_States#New_Hampshire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheriffs_in_the_United_States#New_Hampshire)

New Hampshire

The New Hampshire position of High Sheriff dates back to pre-Revolutionary War days. Today, there are 10 counties and 10 High Sheriffs in New Hampshire. The ten sheriffs are the highest ranking and most powerful uniformed law-enforcement officers in the state. The state constitution gives the sheriff of each county full law-enforcement authority throughout the county. In 1911, this authority was expanded by the state legislature to include the entire state. Sheriffs are elected to two-year terms without term limits. The sheriff is responsible for patrol duties, civil process, transport of prisoners, and criminal and civil warrants. Most county sheriff's offices provide dispatch service for many of the county's communities. Sheriffs are also responsible for the security in all the county courthouses throughout the state. Finally, sheriff are responsible for the prisoners in the local district courts throughout the state.
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers [Update: Sheriff Position Worth Campaigning for]
Post by: John Edward Mercier on July 16, 2011, 06:00:04 am
The highest ranking law enforcement officer in the State would be the Governor.
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers [Update: Sheriff Position Worth Campaigning for]
Post by: maxxoccupancy on July 18, 2011, 10:06:49 pm
It really is Sheriff.  He's the only person who can go in and arrest a police chief.
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers [Update: Sheriff Position Worth Campaigning for]
Post by: John Edward Mercier on July 19, 2011, 01:19:27 pm
No, I'm pretty sure that the police chief can be arrested by even a patrolman should he commit a crime.
And very sure that the NH Constitution makes the Governor the highest ranking law enforcement officer in the State.
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers [Update: Sheriff Position Worth Campaigning for]
Post by: maxxoccupancy on July 20, 2011, 08:45:02 am
Where do you find that?
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers [Update: Sheriff Position Worth Campaigning for]
Post by: Uncle Walt on July 20, 2011, 11:25:30 am
It really is Sheriff.  He's the only person who can go in and arrest a police chief.

That would be surprising.  I mean, it would allow a police chief to commit all the crime s/he wanted ... if the Sheriff wasn't interested in arresting the chief.  What if they're both involved?  Neither could be arrested?

If NH is that ... "backward", for lack of a better word ... I wouldn't be interested in moving there.
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers [Update: Sheriff Position Worth Campaigning for]
Post by: John Edward Mercier on July 21, 2011, 11:57:57 am
Its not.
Sheriffs can also be removed.
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers [Update: Sheriff Position Worth Campaigning for]
Post by: John Edward Mercier on July 21, 2011, 12:40:34 pm
Where do you find that?
Part Second Article 41.
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers [Update: Sheriff Position Worth Campaigning for]
Post by: Luck on July 23, 2011, 10:34:00 pm
* Although Wikipedia says sheriffs are the highest ranking law enforcement officers in the state, I suppose it was meant to say in each county.
* I believe local government is supposed to be independent from state and federal government, which latter are also independent from each other. Therefore, a sheriff does not take orders from the state or the fed.
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers [Update: Sheriff Position Worth Campaigning for]
Post by: John Edward Mercier on July 25, 2011, 08:53:46 am
In NH, local government only exists because of the State.
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers [Update: Sheriff Position Worth Campaigning for]
Post by: sandm000 on July 25, 2011, 11:15:00 am
I'm interested in running for Hillsborough (NH) county. How do I file?
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers [Update: Sheriff Position Worth Campaigning for]
Post by: John Edward Mercier on July 25, 2011, 12:40:55 pm
Check with your county delegation.
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers [Update: Sheriff Position Worth Campaigning for]
Post by: Luck on August 08, 2011, 06:15:09 pm
Quote
John said: In NH, local government only exists because of the State.
* I believe the state is supposed to mean the people, or at least it used to.
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers [Update: Sheriff Position Worth Campaigning for]
Post by: Luck on August 08, 2011, 06:28:23 pm
Quartzsite Police Chief Calls Oath Keepers and Tea Party "Terrorists" and Reports them to the FBI
Oath Keepers Response: "We're your huckleberries, Chief!"

According to two confirmed eye witnesses, Quartzite Chief of Police Jeff Gilbert referred to the Oath Keepers, the Greater Phoenix Tea Party, and the Sons of Liberty Riders as  "terrorists" during a public "coffee with the Chief" meeting on August 3, 2011.  Reportedly, Chief Gilbert made the reference while discussing the upcoming August 27, 2011 rally that will be carried out by Oath Keepers, the Greater Phoenix Tea Party, and the Sons of Liberty Riders, telling the audience ""I take these terrorist threats very seriously and I have reported them to the FBI and anyone else who will listen."

This was first reported by the Greater Phoenix Tea Party at http://phoenixteaparty.ning.com/profiles/blogs/greater-phoenix-tea-party-have

A public information request has been filed to secure the video and audio of the meeting.   The Quartzite Chief of police is apparently following the playbook of the Southern Poverty Law Center, DHS, and of political elites, such as Joe Biden who recently compared the Tea Party to "terrorists."

In response to the alleged statements of Chief Gilbert, Stewart Rhodes, Founder of Oath Keepers, said:
    "If Chief Gilbert wants to label us "terrorists" simply for keeping our oaths to defend the Constitution, by using our natural right of free speech in support of good police officers who refused unlawful orders, and if he is going to label us "terrorists" for simply exercising our First Amendment protected right to peaceably assemble and petition government for a redress of grievances, - all rights that GOOD MEN fought and died to preserve -  well then, all I have to say is "we're your huckleberries" Chief.  See you in Quartzsite folks!  Our forefathers are watching. - Stewart Rhodes, Founder of Oath Keepers."

The Oath Keepers are conducting a massive "Quartzsite Liberty Festival" on August 27, 2011 in support of the "Quartzsite Ten" - the oath keeping police officers who blew the whistle on Chief Gilbert for what they describe as gross violations of the rights of the people, including repeated false arrest and harassment of political opponents and abuse of the NCIC background check system to dig up dirt on political opponents and local activists.  Also participating in the rally will be the Greater Phoenix Tea Party, Sons of Liberty Riders, Sons of Liberty, the Campaign for Liberty, and Arizona Ron Paul Meetup Groups, among others.   

See http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/08/03/oath-keepers-to-muster-quartzsite-arizona-august-27-2011 (http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/08/03/oath-keepers-to-muster-quartzsite-arizona-august-27-2011)

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Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers [Update: Sheriff Position Worth Campaigning for]
Post by: John Edward Mercier on August 08, 2011, 10:39:04 pm
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John said: In NH, local government only exists because of the State.
* I believe the state is supposed to mean the people, or at least it used to.
The People made the State sovereign. The local governments are either party to such (county delegation) or corporations of (municipal). Hence why we have unincorporated areas in NH.
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers [Update: Sheriff Position Worth Campaigning for]
Post by: Luck on August 13, 2011, 07:54:12 am
URGENT August 27 Quartzsite Rally Update!

Important message from Stewart Rhodes.

Oathkeepers, this rally in Quartzsite, AZ on August 27 is now more than just a march in support of ten oath keeping officers and a stand-up Marine veteran Mayor.

This is going to be a liberty celebration BASH.  (See detailes itinerary below).

After the march in honor of the Quartzsite ten, we will have a big barbeque and then live music on into the night by some excellent local bands and also a live concert by freedom fighter musician JORDAN PAGE.

Jordan is a nationally known superstar in the freedom movement, and a big supporter of Oath Keepers (he often wears an Oath Keepers Tee shirt when he performs). He's the Thomas Paine of music.  He loves Oath Keepers and is honored to join us for this historic event.

We do need to help cover his costs, so we have created a chip in where folks can donate to help get Jordan Page to our event in Quartzsite, Arizona on August 27. Please donate and spread it around to others.

Click Here to Chip in and help get Jordan to Quartzsite
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/08/12/oath-keepers-to-muster-quartzsite-arizona-august-27-2011/ (http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/08/12/oath-keepers-to-muster-quartzsite-arizona-august-27-2011/)

We will also be joined by Arizona radio show dynamo and freedom fighter Ernest Hancock, of Freedom's Phoenix, who will do a live broadcast of the event. He will also post the Jordan Page chip-in on his site and help raise funds and promote the event.

This event will be an historic stand for honor, courage, and oath keeping, and will serve as an example of what MUST happen across American to restore our Republic.

We must support Oath Keeping public servants like these 10 police officers and like Mayor Foster. We all need to sweep our own "porch" clean, sweeping out corruption and good ol boy networks, big government, petty tyrants and oath breakers in every community and we need to replace them with Constitutionalists who will keep their Oath. Let it start here. Let it start now, right in Quartzsite.  Let's set the example and show em how it's done!

And let's also hold a  celebration of our liberty and our commitment to take up the torch of liberty handed down to us from our fathers, and reaffirm our commitment to preserve it for our children. FEAR NOT, and let the beast know you fear not, by joining us with a smile on your face.

Remember, all that matters is that our children are free.  I think this song by Jordan Page says it all. -- Stewart Rhodes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgdMPXcsi-I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgdMPXcsi-I)

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Press Release:

Oath Keepers will muster, along with the Sons of Liberty Riders, the Sons of Liberty, the Greater Phoenix Tea Party Patriots, the Campaign For Liberty, and numerous other patriot/Constitutionalist groups, in support of the Quartzsite Ten - the ten officers of the Quartzsite, Arizona, Police Department who have blown the whistle and leveled allegations of corruption against the Chief of Police of Quartzsite in written documents.  See http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/07/12/quartzsite-police-officers-association-letter-regarding-police-chief-jeff-gilbert/.

The Quartzsite Liberty Festival will also support the concerned citizenry of Quartzsite, local activists such as grass-roots journalist Jennifer 'Jade' Jones, and the town Mayor, the Honorable Ed Foster (a Marine veteran), who have stood up for the free speech rights of the citizens. This non-partisan Festival will include a banner and flag march, and we are expecting thousands of marchers. The "Quartzsite Liberty Festival" is slated for August 26, 27, 2011, in Quartzsite, Arizona.

Friday, August 26, 2011:
Folks who plan on staying at Vito's RV park are welcome to start arriving there any time after noon on the 26th.  To reserve a camping spot, call Vito at (928) 916-0556

Informal meet and greet at 7pm at Vitos, on the 26th.

Saturday, August 27, 2011:

Muster 8:30 a.m. at Vito's RV Park (see below)

March starts at 10:00 a.m. Be early to line up please.

10am: March to town hall.
At Town Hall: Twenty-minute ceremony to honor the Quartzsite Ten, Jennifer Jade Jones, and Mayor Ed Foster

11:00 am: March back to Vito's RV Park.

1:00 - 4:00 pm:  Speeches at Vito's, w/Live broadcast from Ernest Hancock

4:00 pm:  Barbeque and cook out dinner (Bring food, pot-luck style.  Something to throw on the grill, chips, side dishes, bread, sodas and other drinks, etc.)

After dinner, bands will play (including Jordan Page) into the evening, and we will have fun  'til?

Contacts:
Arizona Oath Keepers - Contact Mike Frye: mrteapartyfrye@gmail.com phone -- 623-521-3612

Oath Keepers Board of Directors - Contact Elias Alias
eliasalias@gmail.com phone -- 406-285-6597
Press/Media contact Elias Alias -- 406-285-6597
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers [Update: Sheriff Position Worth Campaigning for]
Post by: Luck on August 13, 2011, 06:31:13 pm
FBI Wants Surplus Stores To Spy on Customers

FBI Handout Lists Purchase of Preparedness Items as "Potential Indicators of Terrorist Activities"

Oath Keepers Exclusive:  An FBI Denver Joint Terrorism Task Force handout being distributed to Colorado surplus store owners lists the purchase of popular preparedness items and firearms accessories as "suspicious" and "potential indicators of terrorist activities," instructing store owners to keep records on and report people who:
    "Make bulk purchase of items to include:
    Weatherproofed ammunition or match containers
    Meals Ready to Eat
    Night Vision Devices; night flashlights; gas masks
    High capacity magazines
    Bi-pods or tri-pods for rifles"

The FBI flyer, entitled "Communities Against Terrorism: Potential Indicators of Terrorist Activities Related to Military Surplus Stores" also instructs surplus store owners to:
    "Require valid ID from all new customers.
    Keep records or purchases.
    Talk to customers, ask questions, and listen to and observe their responses.
    Watch for people and actions that are out of place.
    Make note of suspicious statements, people, and /or vehicles.
    If something seems wrong, notify law enforcement authorities."

The flyer also instructs surplus store owners to consider as "suspicious" anyone who "demands identity 'privacy'" or anyone who expresses "extreme religious statements" and those who "make suspicious comments regarding anti-US, [or] radical theology."

The "Communities Against Terrorism" flyer closes by stating:
    Preventing terrorism is a community effort. By learning what to look for, you can make a positive contribution in the fight against terrorism. The partnership between the community and law enforcement is essential to the success of anti -terrorism efforts.

    Some of the activities, taken individually, could be innocent and must be examined by law enforcement professionals in a larger context to  determine whether there is a basis to investigate. The activities outlined on this handout are by no means all-inclusive but have been compiled from a review of terrorist events over several years.

The "handout" encourages store owners to provide information by calling the Denver Joint Terrorism Task Force or the Colorado Information Analysis Center. This handout is very nearly identical to one issued by the FBI to gun stores: http://oathkeepers.org/oath/wp-content/uploads/FBInotice00.pdf (http://oathkeepers.org/oath/wp-content/uploads/FBInotice00.pdf).

But this new handout expands the absurdity by now also targeting customers of military surplus stores, and by specifically targeting the purchasing of very common, and very popular, preparedness items as "potential indicators of terrorist activities"

Read entire report and view the PDF's: Click Here  http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/08/10/7769/ (http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/08/10/7769/).
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers [Update: Sheriff Position Worth Campaigning for]
Post by: Luck on August 20, 2011, 03:06:15 pm
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Local vs Feds
OK says: This stirring message came in from Oath Keepers Board member Terry Flink, and we felt it should be shared with readers here at our national site.
Sheriff Mark Gower, Iron County, Utah
Western States Sheriffs Association

I posted the following thread on the forum http://www.oathkeepers.net/forum/showthread.php?p=59728#post59728 (http://www.oathkeepers.net/forum/showthread.php?p=59728#post59728)

First, let me give a little background.  Sheriff Gower is a humble man who has quietly protected the rights of the citizens of Iron County since 2003.  I first met Sheriff Mark Gower at the Oath Keepers conference in Las Vegas in 2009.  He spoke about the challenges he was experiencing as a County Sheriff in southern Utah with the overreach of the federal government into his jurisdiction.  Specifically the issue was a battle over an endangered prairie dog and private property rights.  He came to the conference to share his experiences and he found a group of very supportive and encouraging citizens that would stand with him.

The second time I met Sheriff Gower was at the Freedom Conference in Cedar City in 2010 where he was one of the speakers and used the opportunity to hold a town hall-style meeting.  Again, he was soft spoken, but spoke as a staunch advocate of the Constitutional rights of the people and was obviously respected by the people of Iron County.  At the end of the conference, several of us Oath Keepers thanked him for his continued support of the Constitution and voiced our continued support for him as the model of what a County Sheriff should be.

Since that last meeting I thought it was important to once again reach out to Sheriff Gower and let him know we still stand behind him and appreciate his commitment to "honor his oath".  John Mackey and I planned a trip to southern Utah with the specific goal in mind to meet with the Sheriff.  Not knowing how much time he would have for us, I would have been happy with just 5 minutes to thank him and tell him he still has many fans and supporters within the ranks of Oath Keepers.  I tried to reach him by email several weeks prior to let him know we were coming through Cedar City but did not hear back.  Since John and I had several reasons to go to southern Utah, we left early yesterday morning still hoping to have an opportunity to meet with him.

On the way up I called the Sheriff and told him we were coming through and hoped to stop by.  He said he would be available in the afternoon and to come see him at the Sheriff's Office.  When we arrived he welcomed us into his office and spent 45 minutes talking about what was going on in his county, the challenges he and his department continue to face and sharing our concerns about some of the recent developments within the Law Enforcement community (i.e. Tucson and Quarzsite).

We had a great dialogue and were encouraged to hear that the City Council of Cedar City was starting to stand with him against the encroachment of the federal government, vis-a-vis the prairie dog, and they were making good progress in securing the property rights of the people.  Sheriff Gower also expressed strong support for the "Quarzsite 10" and wanted to join us on August 27 but can not since that is right in the middle of the Iron County Fair.  We left the meeting feeling very encouraged and Sheriff Gower expressed his sincere thanks that we took time to reach out to him.  We told him we would be back and he was looking forward to it.

Sheriff Gower is an oath keeper in both word and deed and should have the support of all Oath Keepers.  I would encourage everyone to reach out to this "squared away Sheriff" (Stewart Rhodes' words) and drop him an email thanking him for honoring his oath.  If you find yourself in southern Utah, stop in at the Sheriff's office and thank him and his deputies for the great work they are doing.  If you have a chance, check out the Iron County Fair and you will see what a sense of "community" means.
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers [Update: Sheriff Position Worth Campaigning for]
Post by: Luck on November 03, 2011, 05:14:43 pm
Wisconsin ? Candidate for Sheriff
In Support of Food Freedom
By Steven Armbruster| October 12, 2011

American citizens retain Ninth Amendment “civil-right” protection to consume the foods of their choice. This right includes, but is not limited to, using plants and foods as their own medicines.

The Ninth Amendment protects their right to produce and consume dairy products, including milk from cows, “raw milk and cheese” and also milk from goats.

The rights of the American people are protected by the United States Constitution while they possess and consume herbs, use healing therapies as well as holistic and traditional therapies, that they themselves (the American people) consider to be beneficial to maintaining a healthy lifestyle.

These rights are “unalienable” meaning that they can never be taken away from the people by the government. The Constitution is a document that simply states that our rights already exist, these rights  ”have” existed long before the establishment of our current government.

Our rights do not come from the hand of our government, they come from our higher power, whereas the number one function of the government is to protect and uphold our self-evident “unalienable” civil-rights.

When the government attempts to establish itself as the higher power, the American people must peacefully place ”their” government back into it’s proper role. The government must at all times operate in respect to “natural rights”, meaning that the government and it’s officials are not the “provider” of our liberties.

It is the job and “individual duty” of every law enforcement official who has taken an “oath” to protect and defend the constitution, to refuse to enforce unlawful orders. This is especially true for the “county sheriff” who is elected specifically for the purpose of protecting the rights of the citizenry.

As sheriff, I will stand with the American people when their Ninth Amendment right to consume the foods of their choice is unlawfully threatened.

I call on all “constitutional sheriff’s” and “constitutional sheriff” candidates across the nation to join with me in what is possibly the time of America’s greatest need.

Let it be said, that if governmental officials come to the homes of our citizens, their farms or their places of business, specifically to violate their “unalienable” civil-rights, that those officials will not be us.

American citizens who refuse to comply with governmental orders to cease eating or producing the foods of their choice are not rebels or lawbreakers; the lawbreakers and rebels are the governmental officials who unlawfully take from them their constitutionally protected “civil-liberties”. As Americans, our liberty has always been our heritage.

Steven Armbruster
Oath Keeper, active duty law enforcement
Candidate for Carbon County Sheriff
Visit www.armbruster4sheriff.com
Title: Re: NH Oath Keepers [Update: Sheriff Position Worth Campaigning for]
Post by: Luck on January 31, 2019, 10:33:57 am
FORGET OATHKEEPERS.

Although Oath Keepers has or had a good list of statements of what they're about, as can be seen in the second post of this thread, I no longer support Oathkeepers, as I believe they're likely trying to turn the U.S. into a Mormon country and thus only pretending to be patriotic supporters of the Constitution. I began to suspect this a couple years ago when I learned that a local member is a Mormon. I knew that Richard Mack's wife was said by him to have been a Mormon, so I assume he is too and I began to suspect that many members are Mormons.

"Stewart Rhodes is the charismatic Executive Director of Oath Keepers and a former Mormon turned Evangelical."
That's from https://edberry.com/blog/polymontana/party-tea/the-four-faces-of-the-republican-party/

I suspect that Rhodes became Evangelical only to prevent further distrust of his motives as a Mormon.

The Mormon religion is surely based on lies and its leaders promote the same lies as well as promoting abuse of members via cultish means.

Miles Mathis outed the Mormon Bundy's last year in his paper "Bundy Ranch Standoff Fake" at http://mileswmathis.com/cowell.pdf which I posted on this forum at https://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=28418.msg300809#msg300809

A messianic ("Christian") Jew in Israel (he's suspect too) made this video a couple years ago at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFIUnHMahKM . He thinks the Mormons, who wanted a large part of the West before Utah became a state (they called it Deseret), still want to take over the West, but I think they want to take over the entire U.S. He thinks the Mormons have been starting militias all over the U.S. and putting Mormons in charge of them and those are the people who came to the aid of Mormon Cliven Bundy in Nevada in 2014 at his ranch. Since Trump pardoned Bundy's son last year for a confrontation with the feds in Oregon after the ranch confrontation, it's apparent that the Mormons are a deep state project.

So let's be wary of Oath Keepers, which is surely a deep state project too, like many others, such as the many fake shootings. See http://mileswmathis.com/updates.html for more details about many of them, which helps prove they're fake. I posted links to many of his papers in another thread here about terrorism and tyranny.