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 on: May 15, 2020, 12:24:11 pm 
Started by Jerry B - Last post by Jerry B
Here in the People's Republic of Marxachusetts, Gov. Charlie Baker has imposed a mandatory face mask order. if we don't wear a mask while out in public, we face a fine of $300.

Now, what about mandatory mask in New Hampshire? Here is Sununu's initial reply (

“We always recommend people wear a mask, of course. We recommend it, but we’re not at a point where we’re mandating and fining people for it, definitely not,” Sununu told radio host Jack Heath.

"Definitely not." That's good.

However, that article goes on to say:

When asked by Heath if a similar order was inevitable in New Hampshire, Sununu said: “I’m hoping not.”

Oh? "I'm HOPING not?"

Hmm, "hoping" is not "definitely."

And then we have this:

Democrat Mindi Messmer, a former state representative and current candidate for Executive Council, supports a mask mandate. “The science is clear,” she told NHJournal.

Really, Mindi? (Where's Mork when you need him?)


Well, retired neurosurgeon Dr. Russell Blaylock recently wrote an article on safety and effectiveness of the face masks. Here are some excerpts:

Keep in mind, no studies have been done to demonstrate that either a cloth mask or the N95 mask has any effect on transmission of the COVID-19 virus. Any recommendations, therefore, have to be based on studies of influenza virus transmission. And, as you have seen, there is no conclusive evidence of their efficiency in controlling flu virus transmission.
 In one such study, researchers surveyed 212 healthcare workers (47 males and 165 females) asking about presence of headaches with N95 mask use, duration of the headaches, type of headaches and if the person had preexisting headaches.2

They found that about a third of the workers developed headaches with use of the mask, most had preexisting headaches that were worsened by the mask wearing, and 60% required pain medications for relief. As to the cause of the headaches, while straps and pressure from the mask could be causative, the bulk of the evidence points toward hypoxia and/or hypercapnia as the cause. That is, a reduction in blood oxygenation (hypoxia) or an elevation in blood C02 (hypercapnia). It is known that the N95 mask, if worn for hours, can reduce blood oxygenation as much as 20%, which can lead to a loss of consciousness, as happened to the hapless fellow driving around alone in his car wearing an N95 mask, causing him to pass out, and to crash his car and sustain injuries. I am sure that we have several cases of elderly individuals or any person with poor lung function passing out, hitting their head. This, of course, can lead to death.

A more recent study involving 159 healthcare workers aged 21 to 35 years of age found that 81% developed headaches from wearing a face mask.3   
another study of surgical masks found significant reductions in blood oxygen as well. In this study, researchers examined the blood oxygen levels in 53 surgeons using an oximeter. They measured blood oxygenation before surgery as well as at the end of surgeries.4 The researchers found that the mask reduced the blood oxygen levels (pa02) significantly. The longer the duration of wearing the mask, the greater the fall in blood oxygen levels.

The importance of these findings is that a drop in oxygen levels (hypoxia) is associated with an impairment in immunity. Studies have shown that hypoxia can inhibit the type of main immune cells used to fight viral infections called the CD4+ T-lymphocyte. This occurs because the hypoxia increases the level of a compound called hypoxia inducible factor-1 (HIF-1), which inhibits T-lymphocytes and stimulates a powerful immune inhibitor cell called the Tregs. . This sets the stage for contracting any infection, including COVID-19 and making the consequences of that infection much graver. In essence, your mask may very well put you at an increased risk of infections and if so, having a much worse outcome.5,6,7

There is another danger to wearing these masks on a daily basis, especially if worn for several hours. When a person is infected with a respiratory virus, they will expel some of the virus with each breath. If they are wearing a mask, especially an N95 mask or other tightly fitting mask, they will be constantly rebreathing the viruses, raising the concentration of the virus in the lungs and the nasal passages. We know that people who have the worst reactions to the coronavirus have the highest concentrations of the virus early on. And this leads to the deadly cytokine storm in a selected number.

It gets even more frightening. Newer evidence suggests that in some cases the virus can enter the brain.11,12 In most instances it enters the brain by way of the olfactory nerves (smell nerves), which connect directly with the area of the brain dealing with recent memory and memory consolidation. By wearing a mask, the exhaled viruses will not be able to escape and will concentrate in the nasal passages, enter the olfactory nerves and travel into the brain.13

Here are the sources listed at the end:

    bin-Reza F et al. The use of mask and respirators to prevent transmission of influenza: A systematic review of the scientific evidence. Resp Viruses 2012;6(4):257-67.
    Zhu JH et al. Effects of long-duration wearing of N95 respirator and surgical facemask: a pilot study. J Lung Pulm Resp Res 2014:4:97-100.
    Ong JJY et al. Headaches associated with personal protective equipment- A cross-sectional study among frontline healthcare workers during COVID-19. Headache 2020;60(5):864-877.
    Bader A et al. Preliminary report on surgical mask induced deoxygenation during major surgery. Neurocirugia 2008;19:12-126.
    Shehade H et al. Cutting edge: Hypoxia-Inducible Factor-1 negatively regulates Th1 function. J Immunol 2015;195:1372-1376.
    Westendorf AM et al. Hypoxia enhances immunosuppression by inhibiting CD4+ effector T cell function and promoting Treg activity. Cell Physiol Biochem 2017;41:1271-84.
    Sceneay J et al. Hypoxia-driven immunosuppression contributes to the pre-metastatic niche. Oncoimmunology 2013;2:1 e22355.
    Blaylock RL. Immunoexcitatory mechanisms in glioma proliferation, invasion and occasional metastasis. Surg Neurol Inter 2013;4:15.
    Aggarwal BB. Nucler factor-kappaB: The enemy within. Cancer Cell 2004;6:203-208.
    Savransky V et al. Chronic intermittent hypoxia induces atherosclerosis. Am J Resp Crit Care Med 2007;175:1290-1297.
    Baig AM et al. Evidence of the COVID-19 virus targeting the CNS: Tissue distribution, host-virus interaction, and proposed neurotropic mechanisms. ACS Chem Neurosci 2020;11:7:995-998.
    Wu Y et al. Nervous system involvement after infection with COVID-19 and other coronaviruses. Brain Behavior, and Immunity, In press.
    Perlman S et al. Spread of a neurotropic murine coronavirus into the CNS via the trigeminal and olfactory nerves. Virology 1989;170:556-560.

So Charlie Baker (and Chris Sununu, FWIW): If there really are health risks associated with wearing the mask, perhaps you shouldn't mandate that people must wear the mask?

 on: May 14, 2020, 04:55:56 pm 
Started by Luck - Last post by scm
Pulsed, data-modulated, Radio-frequency Electromagnetic Microwave Radiation (RF-EMR) exposures may be exacerbating COVID-19 viral replication or the spread or lethality of the disease. It is highly probable that one of the best things Wuhan can do to control the epidemic in the city is to power off the 4G/5G antennas.

 on: May 14, 2020, 12:19:18 pm 
Started by Luck - Last post by scm
The 5G thing is unrelated.
1. Very little is actually deployed.
2. It is very low power
3. It is on the same frequencies that were high power TV for decades.

1. Not true, check coverage maps
Here is at&t.
T mobile.
(And this does not include all of Elon musks 5g satellites above us already.
2. Not true, It’s not the “power” that matters. It’s the wavelength
3. What is a “high power TV”?
Tv “amplifiers” work on much different frequencies and wavelengths. If that is what you are referring too.

Let take this one step further. Check out the places in this list and see if they have 5g

 on: May 14, 2020, 10:48:26 am 
Started by Luck - Last post by KDus
The 5G thing is unrelated.
1. Very little is actually deployed.
2. It is very low power
3. It is on the same frequencies that were high power TV for decades.

 on: May 13, 2020, 12:11:07 pm 
Started by Luck - Last post by Luck
Re The Greatest Heist ever Sold. Corona as a cover for a $2 trillion heist.

Miles predicts that the "deep state" will bring martial law against the big bankers, because he assumes that if the bankers take too much bailout money, there won't be much left for the deep state from taxpayer money. But explains that because the U.S. is monetarily sovereign, it doesn't need taxpayer money at all. It can just print money for whatever it wants. So I don't think the deep state will have martial law to go against the bankers. I think 5G is what the Covid thing is really about, i.e. providing cover for installing 5G.

Kelly Brogan, MD, says: Have you noticed these towers popping up around your neighborhood lately? During the present global lockdown, Telecom companies have accelerated the installation of 5G towers throughout the world, including in schools, and highly populated areas — all without consent. They claim it’s to increase your internet speed, but what they aren’t telling you is the darker side that includes, global surveillance, the capacity to beam millimeter waves for crowd control (or worse), and the well-evidenced consequences on the biology of living entities including children, plants, and insects. Simply put, 5G is a global, for-profit, human experiment happening right now - without your consent (because when you don’t say no, you’re saying yes). … [Her associates] have collected experts to inform you of what are not otherwise being told AND what you can do to take back your power! They’re hosting the 5G Summit.

I don't know if the summit will be worthwhile. I don't have time to listen much. They may have way too much info. I just need the basic facts and suggestions.

 on: May 12, 2020, 11:01:03 am 
Started by Luck - Last post by Luck

The Greatest Heist ever Sold. Corona as a cover for a $2 trillion heist.

 on: May 12, 2020, 11:00:14 am 
Started by Luck - Last post by Luck

The Greatest Heist ever Sold. Corona as a cover for a $2 trillion heist.

 on: May 10, 2020, 12:42:41 pm 
Started by Luck - Last post by Luck

(NOTE: I posted the weekly update yesterday in the previous post.)


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 on: May 10, 2020, 10:15:45 am 
Started by Luck - Last post by Luck
Main Points of the Article

Here are some first steps that can be taken to help set a lawsuit into motion.

Step 1: Decide: Pro Se, Public Interest & Pro Bono, Or Your Own Private Attorney

Step 2: Keep Organized with a spreadsheet etc, with columns for the lawyer name, URL, phone number, dates you’ve reached out, and responses

Step 3: Identify Potential Lawyers; make a fairly long list on the spreadsheet
Though the list is from 2011, Walter Block compiled a fantastic, exhaustive list of libertarian legal theorists toward the end of the linked post
Here are other potential sources of help:

Step 4: Create A Form Letter That Says Enough, But Not Too Much
Until a lawyer represents you, there’s no need to tell them your deepest secrets on this topic. Keep the form letter short and to the point: you are seeking representation, you see clear precedent, are they interested?
If you’d like a template, something like this might work:
Dear First name Last name,
I’m looking for a pro bono attorney to represent me on a public interest case regarding the Covid-19 order in my state, (insert State).
The New York Supreme Court has previously ruled against widespread quarantines, establishing a clear precedent in the 1856 New York Supreme Court case The People vs. Peter W. Roff, mentioned by a think tank fellow recently in this linked article. I wonder if there may be other meaningful precedent on this topic.
Would you be willing to represent me?
If you would not, can you recommend someone who might want to?
Thank you.
First name Last name
City, State
Email address

Step 5: Follow Through

Step 6: Find A Few Different Interested Lawyers
The corona bans are illegal and unconstitutional. They are executive and bureaucratic over-reach. Many lawyers out there will happily take on a case like yours.

Step 7: Choose A Lawyer

Step 8: Focus On Your Next Instance Of Civil Disobedience

List of libertarian legal theorists:
Paul Aubert, Daren Bakst, Randy Barnett, William Barnett II, Jeffrey Barr, Scott Bauer, Joe Becker, Shana Black, Clint Bolick, Don Boudreaux, Scott Bullock, Gary Chartier, Carrie Ann Citren, Dick Clark, Mila Cobanov-Vecore, Jeff Deist, John Denson, David Dieteman, Brad Edmonds, Richard Epstein, Marty Feldman, Deanna Forbush French, Kurt Gerry, David Gruning, John Hasnas, Jared Hausmann, Jule Herbert, Jacob Hornberger, Jacob Huebert, Lee Iglody, Stephan Kinsella, Manuel S. Klausner, Thomas Lambert, Bart Lee, George Leef, Glen Lenihan, Dan Levine, Robert Levy, Floy Lilly, Geoffrey Manne, Henry Manne, David Mayer, Bob McGee, Todd McMullan, William Mellor, Andrew Morriss, Andrew Napolitano, Nadia Nedzel, Clark Neily, James Ostrowski, R. J. Peltz, Stewart Rhodes, Roger Roots, Clay Rossi, Noah D. Rubins, Matt Saltzman, Butler Shaffer, Norman Singleton, Brad Smith, Jeff Snyder, John Sotirakis, Maurice Thompson, Patrick Tinsley, Gordon Tullock, Jim Viator, Marc Victor, Eugene Volokh, Roy Whitehead, Joshua Wright …
… plus … Janice Rogers Brown, Lloyd Cohen, Steven Eagle Robert Fast, Bruce Fein, Kevin Gutzman, Thomas Hazlett, Christopher Horner, Sam Kazman, Michael Krauss, Jonathan R. Macey, Kevin A. McCabe, Todd Ptak, Paul Sherman, W. Randall Stroud, Jonathan Turley, Edwin Vieira, Jr., Patrick Wood, Todd Zywicki
Possible additions:
Jonathan Adler, J. Michael Altman, Steve Bainbridge, Stuart Benjamin, Adam Clanton, Ronald Coffey, George Dent, Eric Gookin, Gene Healy, Christine Hurt, Stavros Katsios, Russell Korobkin, David Mayer, David Post, Glenn Reynolds, Ron Rychlak, Sukrit Sabhlok, Emmanouil Savoidakis, Ilya Shapiro, Keith Sharfman, Bill Sjostrom, Justin Skidmore, Brad Smith, Gordon Smith, R. Ben Sperry, Maria Topakitzian, Fred Tung, Bryan Dean Wilson
Libertarian Professors:

 on: May 09, 2020, 11:44:52 pm 
Started by Luck - Last post by Luck
The Pigs in Power found a way to have Martial Law without the people realizing it. Didn't they!

Knowing from my sources that the virus is not what it's made out to be, not a virus pandemic, I've been thinking of class action lawsuits. Then I saw this article today.

How To Sue Your Governor

I just skimmed through it. I've done a little legal research before, so I had some of my own ideas already.

The science behind the virus is very shoddy. Mainstream science is shoddy in general. It's not based much on scientific method, but on bias from the government and foundations etc that provide grants for scientific research.

So a lawsuit should shed light on the shoddy science.

I think it should also consider the cost/benefit ratio of lockdowns etc.

Readers seldom discuss on this forum any more, but if anyone would like to discuss lawsuits and other possible activism, you're welcome to do so here.

Free Staters have apparently been somewhat active in Concord, NH. Maybe a good percentage of them may like to pursue more effective activism. Civil disobedience is probably worthwhile, which is what the activism in Concord was. Maybe go to Manchester and Nashua etc and encourage businesses to open or join in protests. Things like that.

Got other or better ideas or additions?

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