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Title: UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: RidleyReport on December 06, 2004, 08:34:07 pm
note :  For those just joining this thread I've edited this first message to include the latest information, so you don't have to go shuffling through the whole thread:

UN FLAG BURNING IN KEENE SATURDAY

Liberty lovers from across New Hampshire will be converging on Keene this Saturday for a grassroots, middle-America protest against the United Nations.

We're objecting to the continued reign of "thief in chief" Kofi Annan and asking that the Feds stop sending taxpayer dollars to this failed institution.  To prove our point we will be torching a UN flag.

We'll be joined by local "mewzickian-poet" Dada Orwell, who will spin a custom tune or two for us.  We'll roast some marshmallows and generally have a good time.  You're invited to bring open-carried firearms, anti-UN signs and friends...but most importantly bring your love of freedom!

Time: 11am Saturday, December 18
Place: Robin Hood Park in East Keene on Roxbury street. We'll be at the picnic grounds near the reservoir dam.

If you need more information call 603.721.1490.  Spread the word if you like, and we'll see you there!

Now...Below is the original text of this post:

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Would be cool to have a UN flag burning somewhere in NH with all this stuff about Kofi what's his name going on.
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Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: bookish_lass on December 06, 2004, 08:37:05 pm
Love it!
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: GCG199 on December 07, 2004, 12:00:55 am
Yes, a very good idea, because of the problems the UN is going thru lately! 8) ;D
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: RidleyReport on December 08, 2004, 01:14:24 pm
If I can get three volunteers in time to help me make this happen, I will organize a flag burning.   Until I get that I won't lift a finger or plan further.    

I'll need your phone numbers and email addresses, send both to dadaorwell at earthlink dot net.  You don't count as a volunteer until you've emailed me this.  




Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: RidleyReport on December 08, 2004, 06:11:23 pm
Arright I just got three volunteers by email.... so it looks like we are on.

Does anyone else want to lead this endeavor?   If so I am happy to play helper, if not I will lead it myself.   Speak now or be stuck with me.

I'm guessing the best location would be the state house in Concord and I'm brainstorming Saturday the 18th at 11:00 AM.   Feedback and ideas welcome.  
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: RidleyReport on December 09, 2004, 05:22:23 pm
Arright since there were no objections to me taking charge...I'm taking charge.

UN flag burning will likely be Saturday Dec. 18. , 11AM.  Location still needs to be set; we'll have to do it somewhere we can get permission to burn something.   If we can't be assured of both by that time we'll delay it.

My current volunteers are Russell, Kat and Kira, and here are the jobs I've given them:

Kat:  act as PR person, make press release contact NH media with it

Russell:  pick the best location and get approval for us to burn flag there .  i'm thinking state house in concord where we'll have to get a permit.

Kira:  find us a UN flag online maybe get nh flag too?  find the best price you can and a flag that is about two feet to four feet in size.  Might be a good idea to order a second flag from a different vendor, as backup.  I'm willing to pitch in 15 bucks.  

Me:  Great Leader, buck stops here guy.  Will make the decisions and also spread the word to NH liberty lovers using my mailing list and my "be the media" outlets.  But I probably won't contact any mainstream media, that will be Kat's job).  Will bring fire extinguisher.


Biggest worries I have right now are getting the flag delivered to one of us on time and finding a public place where we can get permission to do the burning.
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Old Nick on December 09, 2004, 06:10:48 pm
I'm surprised that you're actually serious about this, considering how so many of you are worried about "bad PR"; my impression's that most Americans support the U.N., at least mildly.

But I'm all for it. Wish I could attend.
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: RidleyReport on December 09, 2004, 06:45:10 pm
Seems to be uniting all the malcontents so far if you are any indication LOL

BTW a request...unless there is some private or sensitive piece of info to transmit let's make this thread the primary place where we organize this event.
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: RidleyReport on December 09, 2004, 07:20:08 pm
Kat Probably we should not contact the press until we can verify that we will have a flag and a location before dec 18.   But here is the note I've sent out to other web forums:

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NH RESIDENTS TO BURN UN FLAG

Liberty lovers in New Hampshire are organizing a UN flag burning to protest the continued reign of "thief in chief" Kofi Annan.  We also wish to send a message to our national
government that U.S. funding of the UN should cease.  You're invited!

The protest is *tentatively* set for Saturday, December 18, 11:00 AM at the State House in Concord.   All of this could change however.  Keep an eye on  

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=41;action=display;threadid=8881

for the latest details on this planned event.  We invite you to attend...bring friends and anti UN signs if you like but most of all bring *you!*

Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: RidleyReport on December 09, 2004, 07:26:07 pm
I need a volunteer here in New Hampshire to write up some letters-to-editor advertising our protest.   Any takers?  (Kat I don't want you to do this, so you can concentrate on the other stuff you're already doing).

It probably will not be possible to send these letters until later when we know for sure the date time and location.

Kira once you can verify that we'll have the flags on time and russell once you can verify a location...

We can fire off the LTE's  

Let me know if you see any reason we should delay this event.
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: RidleyReport on December 09, 2004, 07:29:35 pm
I also need a volunteer to make some calls to NH talk radio letting them know about this in advance....  again, you'll need to wait until we have the date/time/loc settled.

For both LTE's and calls you can use the media contact guide at

http://www.soulawakenings.com/underground/tikiwiki/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=8

Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: bookish_lass on December 10, 2004, 11:09:00 am
Hmm...polyester and nylon don't burn well, they kind of melt.

Here's some possible places to get flags, I just don't want to pay for it.  I'll chip in some $$ for whoever does, though.

http://store.yahoo.com/imapsusa/nyl3x5outdis.html

UN Flags (http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?unique=9c90c&catalog=united-states-flag&et=41b9d014&basket=b%3D5C518088d800284d41b9c7b7d0b6bbda9a3423e9dc8451d3df2bc21024f34161e%26l%3D1eea8i7_b0ii/o%26s%3DxSnCBhmv6i7kGMAgAq8vhvjicRY-)

Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: bookish_lass on December 10, 2004, 11:11:56 am
Oh Lloyd just sent me some links:

http://www.ultimateflags.com/int/United_Nations.html

http://www.united-states-flag.com/world.html

http://www.only-flags.com/organization-flags.htm

Link  to switchboard.com (http://www.switchboard.com/Office_Supplies/Boston/MA/102099356-58/Office_Supply_Boston_MA/Merchant.html)


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Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 10, 2004, 11:30:18 am
Does anybody know about a city in NH that has passed a "UN Free Zone" type law? :) (Peterborough, Grafton...?)
I would rather be celebrating with that location instead of going to the NH State House. If we are in front of the State House it would look like we are protesting the NH state government and we don't really have a beef with them over this issue. If we were in a city that was showing their displeasure with our involvement with the UN, we would be joining with them instead of protesting. :)
If we could find a more friendly location, I can picture a bonfire and hanging the UN flag above it for our viewing pleasure. ;D Maybe in a city park or other "normal" locations for fires. That way we are not stepping on anyone's toes in NH, since the people and polititians here are not the problem. :) We could always reconvene the "Circle of Liberty" around another campfire. ;)
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: RidleyReport on December 10, 2004, 11:44:58 am
Here's the latest:
Kat has agreed to do mainstream press PR
Kira will not be able to get the flags
Awaiting reply from Russell regarding whether he will be able to handle location issues for us - sounds like he is looking into it....russell are you officially going to handle this?

So...for the moment I actually have one or two volunteers and I need at least three, to do the core things above...particularly a volunteer to get a flag.  Actually now that I think about it we probably need two separate flag people, each bringing separate flags...otherwise we're putting too many eggs in one basket.

Either the needed volunteers will step forward or they will not. If and when they do, we will move this protest forward.   If they don't we will delay the protest until they do.   I'm ready to pitch in 15 bucks toward the cost of the flag(s).

  Stay tuned...or better yet volunteer!
Thanks Lloyd and Russell and Kat for what you've already done!  If you can come up with an auxiliary job for Kira that would be great too...maybe one of the other optional jobs in the posts above.
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 10, 2004, 11:46:08 am
I have not found any "UN Free Zones" in NH yet. There seem to be a few in the US and possibly the whole state of Utah (I haven't checked that out yet).

Maybe we should just choose a place like Grafton and find the locals that supported the issue and have a flag burning party. We could even do it at someones house or property so that we don't need permission. :)
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: radracer on December 10, 2004, 02:10:06 pm
I think this is a great idea! I also think Russell has a valid point about possibly not stepping on the shoes of those at the state house where we have no quarrels with the NH leadership. Too bad we can't take this to DC somewhere more respresentative or UN headquarters.
Best of luck!! Great idea! If you need more ammo make sure you visit GETUSOUT dot ORG

Rad
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: FTL_Ian on December 10, 2004, 02:42:09 pm
Hmm...polyester and nylon don't burn well, they kind of melt.

What if you soak it in some gasoline?
Ian
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: BlueLu on December 10, 2004, 03:28:52 pm
Hmm...polyester and nylon don't burn well, they kind of melt.

I seem to remember some flag-burners learning that a couple of years ago in front of the Capitol in Austin.  The residue was impossible to clean off the pavement.  So if you are reduced to burning a polymer fiber flag (which would be preferable not to do, because it just doesn't burn as dramatically), you definitely would want to put something down to catch the goo.  Maybe a big piece of sheet metal.
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: lloydbob1 on December 10, 2004, 03:59:20 pm
A sheet of 1/4 inch luan plywood would  work and, probably,  not catch on fire before the flag finished burning.  This would be easier to find and cheaper than sheet metal.  Have the guy at Home Depot cut it in 1/2 for easier handling.
LLoyd
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: RidleyReport on December 10, 2004, 08:17:19 pm
With regard to staging the protest in Grafton we'd want to tread lightly because of the bad feelings regarding the Free Town Project...I'd recommend actually calling the mayor or town council and and getting their blessing since they are probably the closest thing to a representative of all the people.  Russell I still need to know if you are officially taking responsibility for getting the location issue taken care of.


Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Mike Lorrey on December 10, 2004, 08:33:19 pm
John can get a burn permit, being as he's a volunteer with the local fire department, but we should do it in Concord, not up in Grafton. We want to inspire people statewide.

If you get the word out among the Birchers, the Patriots, and others, we could have a good sized crowd at the statehouse.
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 11, 2004, 08:15:18 am
Dada: I will choose the location. :) We will decide today 8)
Everyone else: Thanks for the suggestions :)
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 11, 2004, 08:24:33 am
I don't want to do this at the state house even though we can get more publicity.  :(
*Our beef is not with NH or it's polititians (save it for when they deserve it ;) )
*I don't want to get a "permit" to protest :)
*We could make a mess :(
*I am thinking a campfire --->bonfire instead of just a flag burning

I do like the idea of supporting a place in NH that does want to protest the UN.
Does anyone have nominations?
If not we will put a warrant here in Keene to vote on it. :) And we can hold the flag burning here in Keene.  ;D I want this to turn into a liberty lovers party also, that way if the media doesn't show up we still had a great time.
Russell
BTW do we know if Jon Bender can make it? It will not be an "official" porcupine event without his presence.  ;D
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: bookish_lass on December 11, 2004, 08:32:09 am
I just read this:

"An amendment to the UN charter defines defiling or destroying the UN flag to be a crime against humankind, adjudicated before the World Court, and subject to punishment ranging from a mere fine, to 30 years in prison with re-education.

So be careful before you mess with the blue flag of world peace and equality."

Don't know if its true.  I don't recognize their jurisdiction over me, the bastards.
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 11, 2004, 08:36:35 am
NYC would be the ideal location, at the UN HQ.
You are right...it would be best to actually protest the UN in some way. Is there a place in NH that has a UN presence?
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: bookish_lass on December 11, 2004, 08:42:20 am
I decided to just order the flag.  Not quite sure if it'll get here in time though.  I asked if I could get faster shipping on it.
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 11, 2004, 08:43:13 am
Maybe we should order the flags in bulk ;) .... and burn them at every Porcupine BBQ
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: bookish_lass on December 11, 2004, 09:14:15 am
The UN controlled parks/areas are called either "biosphere reserves" or "world heritage sites".  Here's one I found in NH:

http://www.euromab.org/brprogram/success/newhamp.html
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: LeRuineur6 on December 11, 2004, 09:21:49 am
OMG people, don't you know the history of the UN?!

http://www.un.org/Pubs/chronicle/2003/webArticles/081303_indigenous.asp

About the World Bank

"Established on 1 July 1944 by a conference of 44 governments in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, the World Bank is composed of five organizations: the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (IBRD), the International Development Association (IDA), the International Finance Corporation (IFC), The Multilateral Investment Guarantee Agency (MIGA) and the International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID). The Bank's mission is "To fight poverty with passion and professionalism for lasting results; to help people help themselves and their environment by providing resources, sharing knowledge, building capacity, and forging partnerships in the public and private sectors; and to be an excellent institution able to attract, excite, and nurture diverse and committed staff with exceptional skills who know how to listen and learn". With 184 member States, the Bank is one of the world's largest sources of development assistance; in 2002 it provided $19.5 billion to developing countries and brought finance and/or technical expertise towards reducing poverty in more than 100 developing economies. "

http://www.sustainer.org/dhm_archive/index.php?display_article=vn549brettonwoodsed

"On July 1, 1944, 730 delegates from 44 nations assembled at the Mount Washington Hotel in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire.  They stayed three weeks.  When they left they had laid the groundwork for the reconstruction of Europe, for a global money and trade system, and for the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund (IMF)."

The World Bank's Library - Celebrating the Bretton Woods Institutions
Welcome to the Virtual Bretton Woods 60th Anniversary Exhibition
http://jolis.worldbankimflib.org/Bwf/

http://www.imfsite.org/origins/early.html

"1-22 July 1944 The IMF is established at the United Nations International Monetary and Financial Conference held in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire. The Articles of Agreement are signed by forty-four nations."

http://jolis.worldbankimflib.org/Bwf/60panel2.htm

"July 1-22, 1944 - Delegates meet in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire
Representatives from 44 nations met at the Mount Washington Hotel in Bretton Woods for the United Nations Monetary and Financial Conference - popularly known as the Bretton Woods Conference. Discussing the accomplishments, John Maynard Keynes said:"

"We have had to perform at one and the same time the tasks appropriate to the economist, to the financier, to the politician, to the journalist, to the propagandist, to the lawyer, to the statesman-even, I think, to the prophet and to the soothsayer."


We MUST hold this flag burning at or near the location of the founding of the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund!!!!!!!!!!    :o

We should do this every July 1st as well.   >:(
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 11, 2004, 09:38:47 am
Thanks .... and good idea :)
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: LeRuineur6 on December 11, 2004, 09:44:28 am
http://www.libertyhaven.com/theoreticalorphilosophicalissues/economichistory/monefund.html

It was on July 1, 1944, just three weeks after the Allies had landed in Normandy, that the most significant intergovernmental conference of the century began. The conference took place at Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, and it represented, in the main, the thinking of two individuals, Harry Dexter White and John Maynard Keynes.

We all know who Keynes was, but few probably know about White, who allegedly had links to communists and "White's name appeared in some decrypted wartime Soviet cables."  In '53, US Attorney General Brownell declared White a spy and his bronze bust was moved to the IMF's basement.   ::)
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: RidleyReport on December 11, 2004, 10:03:51 am
So would it be accurate and generally accpepted to say that the Bret. Woods conference laid the groundwork for the UN?
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: RidleyReport on December 11, 2004, 10:10:34 am
Regarding the issue of flag arrival on time, and the issue of finding a place in time...

We can always move this back to a later date if the pieces aren't falling into place fast enough.   Or we could even put all the pieces in place then wait for another piece of embarrassing news to break that makes this even more timely.  That would mean more news coverage. Our options are still wide open.

Anyway so Russell don't feel like you have to settle on a location today or tomorrow...I'd rather we pick the right one four days from now than the wrong one tonight.    However I do want us to go with Russell's location decision, whatever that is (providing we are not totally at odds with the people who live in that location).  

You are going to both pick a location and make sure we are ok to protest there correct?  

The ideas sound great...bonfire, etc.  Don't know if it will be practical to do without permit but I'm sure you'll find someplace that works.
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 11, 2004, 10:14:47 am
I like the idea of Bretton Woods every July 1st  ;D
But since I am choosing and Bretton Woods is 3 hours away for me...I still like the Keene idea.  :P
We are going to scout out Wheelock park in Keene for nice campfire/flag burning spots in a few minutes. There is basically no snow here but if there is I hear that they sled in that park too.
We had a few fun details to add to the flag burning party:
*Open carry (hopefully many of our group will be gun toting and UN hatin')
*Marshmellos or other campfire activities
*Meet at someones afterward for more fun or if the weather gets nasty ;)
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 11, 2004, 10:21:19 am
Let's do this next week no matter what. :)
We have 2 flags on order from 2 different places, so we should have one by next Saturday. :) If we do this close to our home in Keene, we can scout out a place without needing any permits. So we can be assured it will work on such short notice. :)

This can be our initial foray into the UN flag burning arena. Let's make a party out of it, so even if we don't coordinate media coverage or time it with a good UN outrage, we can still have a good time.

I think we should do a big flag-burning anti-UN party in Bretton Woods each July 1st. We can plan it way ahead of time and get plenty of media with such a firm date. :) It will also be a nice place to go in the summertime. Sound good?
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: LeRuineur6 on December 11, 2004, 10:25:23 am
Sounds good to me, Russell.  :)

I'd like to have something closer to the Seacoast area, but I'll just wait for a while and maybe we'll organize multi-location flag-burnings in the future.  A flag-burning at or near Bretton Woods every July 1 would be something I could plan for.
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 11, 2004, 10:28:09 am
The problem with waiting for a news item about the UN to stage a protest is getting the location and permit to burn a flag. Maybe we will have to stick with the one-man protests for that ;) ... or multi-person protests, but only with signs. We can always do a quick protest with only signs, no burning. :)

Maybe we will have to have a monthly Dada Orwell inspired protest about the UN or the IRS or whoever. Make it a regular event. :)

My only concern now is whether we can get Jon Bender here next saturday to make this an 'official' porcupine event. ;)
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 11, 2004, 10:33:26 am
I'd like to have something closer to the Seacoast area, but I'll just wait for a while and maybe we'll organize multi-location flag-burnings in the future.  A flag-burning at or near Bretton Woods every July 1 would be something I could plan for.
multi-location would be cool...especially after we have so many liberty lovers throughout the state no location would fit us or our bonfire would get too big.  ;D
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 11, 2004, 10:41:17 am
I love the July 1st idea each year...let's do it 8)
For this event...we will plan on Keene next Saturday 12/18 at a location we will post probably by this afternoon. :) As we get the specifics laid out, you can find it at:
NH Underground UN Flag Burning Page (http://www.soulawakenings.com/underground/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=UN+Flag+Burning)

We can also use that space to plan our yearly or multilocation UN flag burnings. We will have to order them (the flags) in quantity from now on.
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 11, 2004, 11:40:01 am
So are there any objections to us holding this in Keene, NH?
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 11, 2004, 12:36:22 pm
...so all in favor of holding a UN flag burning party in Keene, NH say "Aye"
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: bookish_lass on December 11, 2004, 12:39:25 pm
Aye
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: RidleyReport on December 11, 2004, 01:55:22 pm
Aye.  Keene's not perfect for this ideologically or geographically but I picked you for this decision because I trust your judgment :)
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: RidleyReport on December 11, 2004, 01:58:00 pm
Seth sorry about our uh...bookish pit bull...I understand where you're coming from but as a practical matter I have already informed dozens of people from different forums that this is the thread to watch.  Too late to change it.

Great work on the flags guys...what leads you to be confident they will arrive in time?   Are you comfortable that the flag is a material that will burn well?  Will we need to use any accellerants?   And will we need a poncho or something to catch the embers and prevent litter?

As I mentioned; I'll have a fire extinguisher and will be there in the absence of major surprises (I do have to be at work at 3PM so a major snow storm might shut me out).

I have a pistol and holster too...will plan on wearing them. if you like I may be able to bring a second pistol for anyone who doesn't have one.

We are still planning for 11AM correct?





Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: RidleyReport on December 11, 2004, 02:03:26 pm
Still need a volunteer or two to write some LTE"s to local papers and inform them of this, also volunteers are requested to call talk radio and talk up this event.  This is separate from the effort Kat will be making to contact journslists with a press release. I will be doing some of the latter but not the former (you can only post 1 lte to each paper per month and I've already written every paper in the state this month LOL.

To write LTE's or call talk radio you can use the numbers/emails listed at:

http://www.soulawakenings.com/underground/tikiwiki/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=8

I'll bring my 15 bucks to the event to help pay for flags.
 
BTW I announced this even to Free Talk Live's listeners on their show last night...the hosts sounded pretty surprised and excited!  
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 11, 2004, 03:26:42 pm
Time: 11am
Place: Robin Hood park in East Keene on Roxbury street. We will use the picnic grounds near the reservoir dam. We will be where fires are normally located so no worries of fire spreading or anything.
What to bring: Firewood, openly carried firearms, marshmellows and long skewers, anti-UN signs  :D, big freedom loving porcupine grins  ;D
Afterwards:Come to Kat & Kira & Russell's home for bring your own food and drink party.
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Dave Mincin on December 11, 2004, 03:43:59 pm
Jane from CNHT has put together a NH Liberty webpage calendar, would encourage you to post the event there.

Dear Liberty-Oriented Friends,

This central location for NH events is ready for postings. Please tell all your liberty loving groups to register and log in to start posting December and January Events!!

Thanks!

- Jane

http://nhlibertycalendar.org/
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: bookish_lass on December 11, 2004, 04:33:55 pm
One of the flags I got sent 2nd day delivery, so it should be here by Saturday.

What's the best way to contact GoNH people for an open carry type event also?  In the press releases, I'll focus on the UN gun grabbers and the more recent Kifi Annan scandal.  I'll do a LTE at the Sentinel also.  Maybe Jim Maynard knows how to get this on local radio, too.
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: jgmaynard on December 11, 2004, 04:44:25 pm
Best way to get it on the radio will be to call Dan Mitchell, at WKBK in the mornings....
He's a liberal, with  some libertarian leanings, and he is always curious about us, and open to having us on.
If someone calls him a couple days in advance, we may get an in-studio interview.

JM
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: LeRuineur6 on December 11, 2004, 05:21:28 pm
Don't forget to do the responsible thing and bring a first aid kit and burn kit just incase.  :)

And a flamethrower, digital cameras, and video cams.

I used to have a UN flag back when I supported the UN was a pro-UN idiot.  It was a tremendous $70 flag.  I'll see if I can find it and mail it to you.

Update:  Nope, I must have thrown it away a long time ago.
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: LeRuineur6 on December 11, 2004, 05:36:37 pm
So would it be accurate and generally accpepted to say that the Bret. Woods conference laid the groundwork for the UN?

The UN, IMF, and World Bank are all separate institutions as far as I am aware.

That's why we may want to widen this to an anti-International Government flag burning event.

Burn posters or flags with the IMF, World Bank, or UN logos.

IMF logo:
http://money.cnn.com/2000/09/15/economy/imf2000_walkup/imf.jpg

World Bank logo:
http://www.lvemp.org/L_images/regional/Logo%20World%20Bank.JPG

UN logo:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/imagebank/unlogo.jpg
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Dave Mincin on December 11, 2004, 05:43:18 pm
Re GONH...Try Evelyn...she's the VP and also the newsletter gal.
elogan@metrocast.net.

If you want her telly please drop me a note off line....Hey don't give out ladies numbers to just anyone! ;)

Hey, BTW she's a Seacoast Porcupine too!!! ;D
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 11, 2004, 08:30:23 pm
Thanks for all the help guys :)
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: bookish_lass on December 11, 2004, 08:33:36 pm
I can bring a digital camera, but not a video cam.  Does anyone have one who is planning on being there?
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 12, 2004, 12:20:35 pm
So who all can make it? :)
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: RidleyReport on December 12, 2004, 01:20:30 pm
BTW please consider Kat to be in charge of this whenever I'm not available.  Kat you can make decisions on my behalf regarding this effort at your discretion.  

I thought of this because I was unavailable most of yesterday and this morning... now I'll read the messages and catch up...
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: RidleyReport on December 12, 2004, 01:30:43 pm
I will be there in the absence of an emergency of some kind.   I've announced this event to about 8 other NH-centric web forums and posted links to this thread.   The next thing I'll be doing is composing a little UN Karaoke type tune I will perform for you at the event :)

Then I will e-mail the people on my local "liberty list" and invite them.  I'll try to get on WKBK as I'm able , as a caller....once I'm sure about something:

One concern I have is inviting or informing the press before we are *sure* we'll have a flag.    What date did you order the 2nd day delivery flag Kat?   And if that flag fails to show up on time for some reason what is the likelihood your backup will arrive on time?
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: bookish_lass on December 12, 2004, 01:32:01 pm
If nothing else, we'll make one.  Don't worry about the flag :)
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: RidleyReport on December 12, 2004, 01:51:18 pm
we could use a couple 8 x 11" images of kofi himself and I don't have a printer online right now...kira would you be up for making a couple images like this with one of your printers?
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 12, 2004, 01:51:19 pm
We might just burn a white sheet of fabric with black UN lettering, just like their tanks.  ;D The real UN flag is not as easily recognized. :)

BTW... I have noticed some of "the FSP is just the bus" purists are upset that we are using this forum to coordinate our party. So any of you FSP "rebels" will have to join us on Saturday to tweak the FSP puritans.  :-*
Title: Re:UN flag burning
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 12, 2004, 02:00:59 pm
we could use a couple 8 x 11" images of kofi himself and I don't have a printer online right now...kira would you be up for making a couple images like this with one of your printers?
We will come up with something...there is a b&w one of Kofi from the WSJ
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: John on December 12, 2004, 11:51:18 pm
I must work 5PM-5AM the day before and the day of.   :(

I would still like to be part of this . . .what is the cost of a flag?

I know that you have some on the way, but are there any "Army Barracks" type stores around?  They usuay carry flags.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 13, 2004, 08:29:19 am
I must work 5PM-5AM the day before and the day of.   :(

I would still like to be part of this . . .what is the cost of a flag?

I know that you have some on the way, but are there any "Army Barracks" type stores around?  They usuay carry flags.
We bought a couple of flags for about $20 including s&h. We might not actually burn them. We might just burn a nice white flag with big "UN" letters. Anyone got a big Kofi Annan doll we can burn in effigy?  ;D
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: John on December 13, 2004, 11:07:32 am
Russell, let me know (pm) where I can send a check for one of those flags.

I think the "image" of a burning UN flag is much better than burning a Kofi doll.   ;)

This sound like it is shaping up as a great "SOCIAL" event!   8)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: RidleyReport on December 13, 2004, 11:33:06 am
Sent to the Brattleboro paper as an LTE; sent slightly different version to the Union Leader:

Dear folks at the Reformer:

Having visited your beautiful town many times I was very sorry to hear about your fire losses recently.   I hope it will not be taken as callous if I bring up another subject dealing with a more constructive sort of burning, one I hope meets with the approval of you our globalism-wary neighbors.

Liberty lovers from across New Hampshire will be converging on Keene this Saturday for a grassroots, middle-America protest against the United Nations.  

We're objecting to the continued reign of "thief in chief" Kofi Annan and asking that the Feds stop sending taxpayer dollars to this failed institution.  To prove our point we will be torching a UN flag.  

We'll be joined by local "mewzickian-poet" Dada Orwell, who will spin a custom tune or two for us.  We'll roast some marshmellows and generally have a good time.   You're invited to bring open-carried firearms, anti-UN signs and friends...but most importantly bring your love of freedom!

Time: 11am Saturday, December 18
Place: Robin Hood Park in East Keene on Roxbury street. We'll be at the picnic grounds near the reservoir dam.

If you need more information call me on my cell phone at ___.  Spread the word if you like, and we'll see you there!

Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: RidleyReport on December 13, 2004, 12:50:55 pm
Kat where do we stand on a press release for the mainstream media?  

That LTE above should serve as a good template or the one you wrote.   Just make sure there is a catchy bold headline ("Keene residents to burn UN flag" should cut it"

 Bear in mind such releases may need to be sent to different addresses from the ones in my "be the media" article.  Also it would be a good idea to call the reporter who did the story about the free state school since you already know him/her.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: RidleyReport on December 13, 2004, 12:54:47 pm
Are we going to have some NH flags?   Perhaps those of you who have color printers can at least make a few small ones.

I will be bringing a sign that will say

US out of UN
UN out of US

Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 13, 2004, 01:22:15 pm
Are we going to have some NH flags?   Perhaps those of you who have color printers can at least make a few small ones.
I was thinking we should only bring flags we want to burn...in the heat of the moment we could start burning anything is sight. ;)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 13, 2004, 01:25:01 pm
Russell, let me know (pm) where I can send a check for one of those flags.

I think the "image" of a burning UN flag is much better than burning a Kofi doll.   ;)

This sound like it is shaping up as a great "SOCIAL" event!   8)

Thank you for the donation...they are always welcome  ;D
I was mostly joking about the doll...mostly
Personally I like all liberty events in NH to be "social" events :)
Everyone that can attend please bring firewood...the bigger the better :)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: John on December 13, 2004, 01:36:40 pm
BTW, There was a pretty good UN cartoon on the opinion page (B3) of yesterday's New Hampshire Sunday News.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 13, 2004, 02:13:28 pm
I have a couple ideas for Dada about his next "protest" or other event idea. I posted it on this forum thread:one protest, one porcupine (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=8831)
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Hey Dada and friends,
How about we set up 2 kinds of "protests" or publicity stunts?

The first kind are the "1 protest 1 porcupine" kind which can be short-term planned or more spur-of-the-moment. Dada Orwell thinks of something he wants to protest or publicize because it is in the current news or he hates them in general (IRS, UN etc). He tells his friends where he wants to meet and what signs to bring a few days or hours before the "event". If he is alone  , he still does some good. If many people can show up  , all the better. As these become popular they can almost attain "flash mob" status with cell-phone toting friends of Dada's converge on a location.  

The second kind are planned farther in advance. This way many more groups and individuals can be contacted and plans made to attend. These events cannot be timed with breaking news, but they benefit from larger attendance and greater possible media exposure. Examples of these would be events surrounding certain dates like July 4th and others. These more pre-planned events would also be very "social" and could include picnics, dinners etc.

Dada can use as many outlets as possible to get his message out. (Cell phone calls, emails, forum treads, LTE's, press releases) We can collect and organize the details on the NH Underground wiki for easy updating and as a central uncensored posting location.

What do you think?
Russell
This event has been planned for less than 2 weeks, but it should be a blast anyway.
I also really like the idea of doing a UN protest each July 1st in Bretton Woods to remember the start of the IMF etc. :)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: lloydbob1 on December 13, 2004, 03:31:58 pm
Are we going to have some NH flags?   Perhaps those of you who have color printers can at least make a few small ones.

I will be bringing a sign that will say

US out of UN
UN out of US



I bought a NH flag from Jim Perry at the M&G last week.  I am going to try to make it on Saturday.  I'll bring the flag.
Lloyd
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 13, 2004, 03:38:11 pm
I bought a NH flag from Jim Perry at the M&G last week.  I am going to try to make it on Saturday.  I'll bring the flag.
Lloyd
Good to hear that you might make it. :) Bring the flag, just hide it from me and the campfire/bonfire. I might get clumsy. :)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 13, 2004, 04:46:32 pm
Anyone know the open carry laws with respect to shotguns and rifles?

With handguns you can simply holster your weapon. You can sling a long gun, but some rifles/shotguns don't have slings. Carrying a rifle or shotgun around 'at the ready' doesn't seem like a smart thing to do. I don't think the cops will consider walking around with a gun in your hand to be 'open carry'.
Good question.
In your hands would look funny, but it would be a very 'open' way to carry. :)
I think we should promote openly carrying, at events like this, so that people in NH get use to it. It isn't against the law and the more law abiding citizens that carry the safer the rest of us are.
I am not a gun nut myself, but I want to promote "open carry" in NH. Plus it is fun to show up at an liberty oriented event and see so many people with handguns. :)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: John on December 13, 2004, 09:46:43 pm
I sent a check so that those who are doing the work organizing this SOCIAL event don't also have to foot the whole bill; and because though I can not be there Saturday, I want to be part of the LET'S NOT DEBATE IT FOREVER - GET UP, GET OUT, AND DO IT aproach.   8)

Also, I expect I'll see someone "before Saturday"   ;) and hand off (just as back-up) the brand new 3x5 (100% polyester) UN flag that I just picked up for a reasonable price at the Army Barracks store on RT. 28 in Salem NH (they have more).

BTW, While I told the folks at the store that this flag is not long for this word . . . it is going to a protest, I did not mention ANY group.  I am just one guy.

PS For those who might wish to restrict speech on this thread, think first of restricting the public (seemingly bureacratic) debates - NOT THE ACTION.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 14, 2004, 08:59:54 am
For everyone that will be attending the event. Feel free to bring your own homemade UN flags to burn. White sheets with big black UN lettering will look nice going up in flames.
We will be building a campfire/bonfire depending on the amount of participants that bring wood and we will hold flags above the fire and attach one or more above the woodpile before we begin.
It will be cold Saturday, so we might need a big fire.  ;D
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 14, 2004, 09:17:54 am
You keep hearing about the "Arab Street" and how we need to listen to their voices. We need to make people aware that the "American Street" is full of people sick and tired of government telling us what to do and overly taxing us.

Let's start burning things...:)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: BR on December 14, 2004, 09:41:26 am
     Yeah, you see Arabs on TV burning flags all the time.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 14, 2004, 10:17:57 am
We just won't have the scraggly clothes and many of us with have sidearms. 8)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: JonM on December 14, 2004, 10:19:49 am
Please direct all debate related posts about this to:

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=57;action=display;threadid=8911
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 14, 2004, 10:23:14 am
Please direct all debate related posts about this to:
That will work. :)
I was starting to get confused about where my posts were going. :)
So we will use this thread for promoting our UN Flag Burning.  8)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: bookish_lass on December 14, 2004, 04:06:31 pm
Al Kulus from WKBK called and was really postive about the protest.  He said he'd be there Saturday.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: bookish_lass on December 14, 2004, 05:25:16 pm
A reporter from the Union Leader also called and may be there Saturday.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 14, 2004, 06:08:37 pm
It is good to see some media picking up the story. The guy from the Union Leader's first question was what group we are a part of or represent. I just told him that some of my friends that hate the UN would be getting together and that we invited any liberty lovers in NH that agreed with us. :)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 14, 2004, 09:01:42 pm
It is getting cold here in NH. Maybe we can warm ourselves by burning UN flags.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Joey on December 15, 2004, 01:18:47 am

Hey guys, back after a brief hiatus, but my TX RLC friends sent me the press release on your UN flag burning deal.

I think it's awesome what you guys are doing...though, they don't make any authentic UN flags anymore do they? The kind they put on poles?

Okay, so I'm a bit radical in the burning-the-flag issue, but hey, I'm a media guy, controversy brings publicity, and ya can't beat free media coverage :)

I attended the March on Crawford event earlier this year and brought some friends and, along with Alex Jones' Infowars.com crowd, we had a few UN-free zone signs that really just pissed everyone off (mainly Socialist Worker's Party folks). It was fun though.

Get some pics and post them online would ya. The forums I frequent (JoeyDauben.com & YouthNOISE.com) have gotten a ton of anti-UN stuff from me here lately :)

Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 15, 2004, 08:31:18 am
Cool Joey...we might have to link up to those signs from the NH Underground wiki. 8)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 15, 2004, 08:41:26 am
I have noticed a interesting trend in RSVPing for controversial events like our UN Flag burn. Many people don't want to "publicly" say they are going to attend. ;) That almost adds a fun factor to the whole event. We have no idea how many people will show up.

Every liberty group in NH we invited to join us has two reactions:
1 - A few members say they will go
2 - The organization publically denies they are involved

The second step can be very funny as seen on the RLCNH yahoo list. ( our own Biker Bill is hilarious :) )
Any crazy stunts like flag burning in NH will never be officially sactioned by these groups. We are just friends getting together to have a good time and represent only ourselves. :)

Hope to see many of you there...(no need to publicly RSVP)...if each attendee would please bring a little (or a lot) firewood our fire will perfectly match our attendance. I have been telling the media we have no idea how many people will show. If we have 5 people it will be a small fire and a couple of flags. If we have 50 people we will have a serious bonfire at the edge of the reservoir. :)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 15, 2004, 10:11:05 am
I guess Rush Limbaugh was railing against the UN yesterday...so our timing might be quite good for Saturday. 8)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: John on December 15, 2004, 11:06:31 am
BTW, The Union Leader - the best paper in NH as far as I can tell - had another nice little cartoon on the editorial page yesterday.  This one was Mallard Fillmore by Bruce Tinsley, and showed a full grown man sitting on Santa's knee saying "I NEVER STOPPED BELIEVING IN YOU!... OF COUSE I ALSO STILL BELIEVE IN THE U.N...."

Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: bookish_lass on December 15, 2004, 11:28:58 am
Found it:

Scroll down to the bottom (http://www.soulawakenings.com/underground/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=UN+Flag+Burning)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: bookish_lass on December 15, 2004, 02:14:33 pm
(http://www.soulawakenings.com/underground/tikiwiki/img/wiki_up//flag.jpg?nocache=1)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: lloydbob1 on December 15, 2004, 02:53:09 pm
(http://www.soulawakenings.com/underground/tikiwiki/img/wiki_up//flag.jpg?nocache=1)

I heard that Arron Russo, LP Pres Nominee, had a U.N. rug at the entrance to his office or suite at the convention with a sign: "Please Wipe Your Feet"
Lloyd
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 15, 2004, 03:17:25 pm
I just got a call from the parks and rec guy in Keene.  ;D
He was concerned that we were encouraging people to bring their handguns with playground equipment so close by. I told him "all the better to protect the kids from criminals".  He didn't quite agree with me, but did have to admit it is legal to openly carry firearms in NH while shopping or just walking around town.

He was also concerned we might leave a mess if there was a lot of us that showed up, but I assured him we planned on picking up after ourselves. 8)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: John on December 15, 2004, 03:25:56 pm
Hmmmm . . . Why did he have a sign?????

It seems like pure instinct !

It was literaly the first thing I did when I got home with mine.  I didn't even think about it.  It just happend.

LOL
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: RidleyReport on December 16, 2004, 01:06:36 am
Wow great to see you back Joey!  If all this thing accomplishes is reactivating you, it's a real start!    Nice to see that we made the news in TX already, even if only on a web forum.

Other good news includes an e-mail I got from WGIR-AM today which broadcasts to perhaps half the state; they want to have one of us on the Gardner Goldsmith show on Friday and will mention the event regardless.  

But I realise there are some risks in doing this event.  Will it alienate some people?  Will it flop with only a few people showing up?   Will it come off as unconstructive or whiney?  Will it generate bad PR?  Will it be overconnected with the FSP by reporters?

I don't know; it may fall into *all* of the above pitfalls despite our best (or sometimes lighthearted) efforts; surely it will fall into at least some of them.  But I do know we have to learn by doing.    And I know this idea has inspired people to action in a way most others have not.  I agree with Russell; this isn't a hugely important issue compared to some others, or the best idea I've ever had; it was just a thought.  But the vibrant reaction to it  is what indicates that moving forward is the right thing to do.    

Oh BTW there's one other advantage I just realized....doing this is forcing us all to figure out how to handle these issues regarding the  FSP's relationship with events ocurring inside NH... and reminding us of the need for more  infrastructure independent of FSP HQ.   Those are good things to have happening.

I hear we have brought the RLCNH yahoo group roaring to life also...

But despite these early little successes I'll be the first to admit:  I could be wrong, the reluctant among us could be right.  We'll just have to play it to the end to find out.

Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: John on December 16, 2004, 02:17:01 am
I wish more than before that I could be there . . . Suggestion: Organize very early on Saturday!

As freinds start to arrive, get them to commit to - at least - not making a mess.  This should be very easy.

Let them know that this should be a freindly social event.  Perhaps post this at entrances?

Mention to folks as they arrive that while they are acting only as indivduals, their cause (and personal reputation) could be BADLY hurt by ANY misssteps.

It is probably unnessesary to worry about these things with such a good bunch of people; I say it anyway: HAVE FUN - BUT DON"T ACT LIKE A BUNCH OF SPORTS JERKS - THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A FREINDLY SOCIAL EVENT.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: John on December 16, 2004, 03:22:41 am
PS  The flag looks great on the floor . . . (it will be even better on the ground.)

Its' nice to know that "some of us will all have extra clean shoes" for a few days.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: RidleyReport on December 16, 2004, 12:13:25 pm
Okie John thanks again for the 2nd flag!  We are going to use it as a dart board during the event.

We are still in need of someone to bring a video camera to the event.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 16, 2004, 12:30:26 pm
I found a nice stone fireplace/campfire pit at the park today, so we can have a nice sized fire in a safe contained place. We will be attaching UN Flags to sticks and burning them over the fire. :) We will also set up a UN Flag dart board on a nearby tree.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Pat K on December 16, 2004, 06:47:24 pm
Maybe you could also use it as a paint ball target if someone has one.This should really tee some folks off. Just don't shoot from the bus some times paint balls break and we don't want to dirty it up.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: John on December 17, 2004, 07:06:36 am
"An invitation to attend U.N. protest on Saturday" LTE by Mike Lorrey is printed in The Union Leader this AM.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 17, 2004, 09:42:20 am
Hey John what does it say? Would you mind typing a little of it?
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 17, 2004, 09:45:58 am
"An invitation to attend U.N. protest on Saturday" LTE by Mike Lorrey is printed in The Union Leader this AM.
BTW thanks Mike Lorrey
Can you make it on saturday or have some friends that are coming?
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: bookish_lass on December 17, 2004, 10:10:59 am
This is getting big, guys.  We've had a lot of media attention.  We've had word of counter protests planned.  :)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 17, 2004, 10:17:27 am
In regards to the actual fire planned now, we are going to have a nice campfire going in a stone fireplace at Robin Hood park in Keene, NH. So you can bring wood to make it a rather large one, but we will not be planning a bonfire. This way noone can have a problem with how big our fire is. :)
Dada talked to the Fire Department and they said we need a permit and contact the owner of the property (the city). LOL  ::) He then called the city and they said we don't need permission when we are burning in the firepits.  ;D
It is comical to see these government agents wrestle with common sense.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 17, 2004, 11:11:11 am
We just made the Keene radio news. :)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 17, 2004, 11:15:49 am
They (WKBK 1290) mentioned that there will be a counter protest from the Monodnock Freedom Forum and that the police are planning on attending to keep the peace.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 17, 2004, 11:35:50 am
Thanks Fisher
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: "Hagrid" on December 17, 2004, 01:12:01 pm
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However, in the light of a recent provocative and incendiary announcement on our list-serve: "New Hampshire Liberty Lovers to Burn UN Flag in Defiance of the United Nations" which invited people from across New Hampshire to come to a UN flag burning in Keene¹s Robin Hood Park, "bringing open-carried firearms," MFF decided to draft a resolution clarifying Monadnock Freedom Forum¹s position on the United Nations.

(sarcasm on)
Congrats to Kat and Dada and Russell for successfully pissing off both the left and right in one fell swoop.  It's so good to see that Libertarian activism is alive and well in NH.  
(sarcasm off)

Maybe next time, you 3 will think twice and listen to others' advice.  So far, you've only managed to make people willing to take stances against you, or to plaster themselves with disclaimers against you.  20K activists like that, we don't need.

Work with the rest of us, ok?  You managed to take a decent idea, raise red flags with everyone, and burn as many bridges as you could.  You'd think that lesson wasn't needed yet again, but....

If Keene's balance is strongly to the left, why are you working so hard to push them away?  Embrace and extend.

More than a little annoyed with the way this is going PR wise...
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 17, 2004, 02:55:23 pm
Kat just visited the city of Keene and the police department to see if we needed a permit or such. The police said that noone has ever asked for one and sent her next door to the city. The city said that as long as it was ok with park and rec guys, then there were no problems.
So far we have looked hard for opposition from the city government about this and haven't found any. :)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 17, 2004, 03:49:44 pm
(sarcasm on)
Congrats to Kat and Dada and Russell for successfully pissing off both the left and right in one fell swoop.  It's so good to see that Libertarian activism is alive and well in NH.  
(sarcasm off)
I don't see myself as a Libertarian activist. I just like burning UN flags. :)

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Maybe next time, you 3 will think twice and listen to others' advice.  So far, you've only managed to make people willing to take stances against you, or to plaster themselves with disclaimers against you.  20K activists like that, we don't need.
I don't know what form other people's activism will take, but I think we need them all. :)

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Work with the rest of us, ok?
For this particular event, we were just inviting people on this forum to join us. You just choose not to join us, which I understand.

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If Keene's balance is strongly to the left, why are you working so hard to push them away?  Embrace and extend.
Why are you not embracing us? :(

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More than a little annoyed with the way this is going PR wise...
The only negative press we have received is on the Monadnock Freedom Forum. Everything else has been neutral or positive. BTW none of it has reflected on the FSP good or bad, since the FSP is not involved with our UN flag burning in any way. :)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 17, 2004, 03:52:28 pm
Just got off the Garner Goldsmith show on WGIR 610am in Manchester. He is very supportive and must have wanted to give us a forum to announce our plans. We talked about our event and gun rights in NH. He is interviewing the author of "More guns less crime" at 5pm today.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: kater on December 17, 2004, 03:57:33 pm
The only negative press we have received is on the Monadnock Freedom Forum. Everything else has been neutral or positive. BTW none of it has reflected on the FSP good or bad, since the FSP is not involved with our UN flag burning in any way. :)

Russell,

While I otherwise admire and support the way you have handled this event, I think the presence of this discussion on the FSP forum belies the latter part of your comment.  To our detriment.

I can understand why Dada or anyone else might want to publicize/coordinate an in-NH event on the FSP forum.  There are people here.  But having the planning talk here while arguing that the FSP is not involved is a bit having a political rally in someone's living room and claiming that they didn't support you.  In this case, it's hard to keep you off of the couch ;), but I think the FSP's plausible deniability problem is sufficiently clear.

Again, I'm impressed with your steadfastness and consistency on the issue of FSP involvement in the protest.  There are clearly other places for this discussion, but since you made that point, I thought I should make mine.

Hope all goes well tomorrow; and I hope to see this kind of planning on the NHLA forum asap. :)

Kate
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 17, 2004, 04:39:02 pm
What happens when the NHLA doesn't want to be activists?
We are talking about this in many places. The FSP doesn't hold the patent on activism, in fact they are loosing any claim they might have had on it.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: kater on December 17, 2004, 04:52:07 pm
Sorry--I didn't mean to grant the NHLA a monopoly.  It was more an example than an assumption.

The FSP shouldn't have any patent on activism in New Hampshire.  (While it should develop at least an ability to recruit people, that's a related but separate discussion.)  I'm all for activism: recruiting activism for the FSP; and liberty-oriented activism for everything else.  I just want folks to recognize what the FSP is and what it can't and shouldn't be.  It isn't a forum for political activism.  It says that right on the front page, and if it didn't we'd be nothing more than another fractured wing of the Libertarian Party.  We get to have broader appeal because our message transcends party politics.  That's a huge strength, and I don't want to see us give it up before we've pulled ourselves together enough to act on it.

Anyway, really best of luck tomorrow.  I hope you have great turnout and a lot of media.  Again, this isn't directly about what you're organizing; it's about the precedent set by it being organized here.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 17, 2004, 05:16:53 pm
We should have fun tomorrow. No government people have hassled us so far and the media seems interested or at least amused at the thought. We have a few friends that will join us and we are going to love torching that flag.

All the latest details are at the NH Underground website.

If any FSP members do happen to stop by, they can say Happy Birthday to Lloyd Danforth.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: kater on December 17, 2004, 05:26:06 pm
All the latest details are at the NH Underground website.

If any FSP members do happen to stop by, they can say Happy Birthday to Lloyd Danforth.

That's the spirit.   ;D  Have a great time.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: lloydbob1 on December 17, 2004, 05:59:28 pm
The FSP doesn't hold the patent on activism, in fact they are loosing any claim they might have had on it.

I don't see the point on harping about FSP activity within the state of NH, as it is the bus and stops at the state line, and the members become something else, perhaps U.N. flag burners, perhaps republican activists and some who just attend a lot of meetings.
What the FSP does suck at is recruiting!

Recruiting Effort at The Bill Of Rights Day Celebration!
Billerica Commons, Billerica, Mass., Sun. 12/19, 2PM
Put your keyboards away, put your time where you mouth is and get your ass to Billerica and HELP recruit!

Birthday Boy
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: FTL_Ian on December 17, 2004, 06:42:07 pm
Quote
MONADNOCK FREEDOM FORUM

Who are these jokers?  They don't sound like friends of freedom to me...

Regards,
Ian
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: bookish_lass on December 17, 2004, 06:44:32 pm
They sounded to me like a reasonable group of people in most respects, they just disagree with us about the UN.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: FTL_Ian on December 17, 2004, 07:30:59 pm
I can't wait to see the pics of this event...
Ian
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: DC on December 17, 2004, 08:20:52 pm
Quote
Who are these jokers? They don't seem like friends of freedom to me.


I briefly looked at their site. They are anti globalization but pro UN. I guess they are against corporations going across country boarders but for global beuracracies going across country boarders so I guess that makes them left libertarian.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 17, 2004, 08:59:49 pm
It will be interesting to see how many flag burners we get and how many protesters actually show up. I don't think our opposition will make the effort to brave the cold.  :P
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: RidleyReport on December 17, 2004, 10:13:59 pm
Fire dept informed me we need to avoid burning with wood; have to use charcoal...permit is required if you burn wood.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: RidleyReport on December 17, 2004, 10:22:47 pm
With regard to the concern over organizing this on FSP forums, Ian has come forward with a solution for organizing future events.

He's invited us to plan just about anything we like on his forum at www.FreeTalkLive.com

I like this idea so far but need more experience with their forum to be sure.   If the forum proves easy to use and what not I would favor organizing all NH activism there and just mentioning it here.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: RidleyReport on December 17, 2004, 10:24:46 pm
Wow I like what the Monad. freedom forum wrote to some extent.  They are saying the UN  needs reform and that liberty is under attack in the U.S.   WIth opponents like this we may not need friends...  
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: lloydbob1 on December 17, 2004, 10:52:37 pm
Fire dept informed me we need to avoid burning with wood; have to use charcoal...permit is required if you burn wood.

That SUCKS!

Where was this information when Russell went to the town hall and asked?
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: DC on December 17, 2004, 10:57:52 pm
Are we giving the protesters cookies again like last time?
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: FTL_Ian on December 18, 2004, 12:04:33 am
Hey Dada,

If the FSP or its members buy an ad package  (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=8888) I'll even add an "activism" or "fsp" forum.  Or whatever you guys want to call it.

Also, for the record, my chat server is up 24/7 at irc.freetalklive.com also http://freetalklive.com/chat/chat.php , for any online meetings.  There does exist a permanent FSP channel.  Those using the web chat would have to type "/join #fsp" upon entry to the default #chat room.

Regards,
Ian

Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: FTL_Ian on December 18, 2004, 12:06:30 am
Are we giving the protesters cookies again like last time?

Man, that is a great idea.  I hope someone does it.  Go grab some pre-made cookie dough and pop it in the oven if you're in a rush!

Ian
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: John on December 18, 2004, 07:26:29 am
Sure nice of the MFF folks to help bring attention to this event.  

So, we don't agree on everything.  That's normal.

I might not agree with anyone there 100% - from oganizers, to counter protesters, to cops, to the guy/gal who issues permits, to the media, . . . et.al.

This sure sounds, to me, like another chance to meet folks, talk about ideas, and perhaps even make a few new freinds.  What else could one ask for from a freindly social event?

PS  I'll bet that many of us will be working together on other matters in the near future!  Maybe even at the Bill Of Rights Celebration in Billerica, MA?
Be sure to let these folks know that we share some very important common ground.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: John on December 18, 2004, 09:04:25 am
These UN flags are not household trash;  They are symbols.  
This is an issue of free speech!
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: John on December 18, 2004, 09:37:38 am
PS  It's mostly a freindly social event where folks can come together and talk about issues.

Symbolic/Political speech at a social event?  OMG, what's next?

Have we gone so far that we need to worry about folks getting together at a park in mid-December for some fresh air and patriotic talk?
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: bookish_lass on December 18, 2004, 12:25:24 pm
Everything turned out great!  More later :)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: RidleyReport on December 18, 2004, 04:20:42 pm
23 in attendence, including 3 journalists, one stopping passerby and zero counterprotesters heh heh.  Keene authorities appropriately apathetic, though I understand a couple fish and game folks watched from a distance.  

Kat and John are working to get the word out beyond NH though national coverage is a long shot we'll do our best. Kat will have pics posted shortly on her soulawakenings.com site

BTW not many free stater immigrants there:  It was longtime locals coming out of the woodwork to do something they'd wanted to for a long time.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: bookish_lass on December 18, 2004, 04:23:21 pm
Liberty lovers from across the state converged on Keene, New Hampshire today to demonstrate their defiance of the United Nations.  Citizens from Keene and as far away as Rochester and Etna joined in opposing the UN by burning multiple UN flags.  Various reasons for disgust with the UN drew them together.  Some were there in opposition to UN attempts to ban private gun ownership as was proposed at the 2001 UN Small Arms and Light Weapons Conference.  A few gun rights advocates wore their firearms openly in celebration of the fact that our right to defend ourselves and our families is respected in New Hampshire.  The oil-for-food scandal drew many to protest the excesses of Kofi Annan and the theft of our tax dollars.  The loss of sovereignty inherent in world government, and in particular from the giving over of US parklands to UN control angered many.  Many were surprised to learn that the UN controls a large section of forest land in New Hampshire, the Hubbard Brook Biosphere Reserve and Experimental Forest, located in the White Mountain National Forest.  Participants in the demonstration hope for passage of 2005-H-0002-R, which if passed will urge Congress to withdraw the United States from the United Nations.


Photos (http://www.soulawakenings.com/underground/tikiwiki/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=5)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: bookish_lass on December 18, 2004, 04:24:00 pm
Dave, can we get a copy of your poem?  It was awesome!  It'd be good to indclude on the second press release.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 18, 2004, 04:59:25 pm
We had so much fun.  ;D
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: RidleyReport on December 18, 2004, 05:11:54 pm
Here's a rewrite of the press release.  I wouldn't worry about the poem for now just get this thing cranking out to the world as best you can.   One question though:  I assumed you are referring at the end to the NH resolution to get us out of the UN....And have indicated that in the release.  If I'm incorrect about that you'll need to correct it before sending.

NH residents torch UN flag

Liberty lovers from across the Live Free or Die State converged on Keene, New Hampshire today to demonstrate their defiance of the United Nations.  Twenty citizens from Keene and as far away as Rochester and Etna joined in opposing the UN by burning multiple UN flags.  A promised counter-protest failed to materialize.

Various reasons for disgust with the UN drew this group together. Some were there in opposition to UN attempts to ban private gun ownership as was proposed at the 2001 UN Small Arms and Light Weapons Conference. A few gun rights advocates wore their firearms openly in celebration of the fact that our right to defend ourselves and our families is respected in New Hampshire. The oil-for-food scandal drew many to protest the excesses of Kofi Annan and the theft of our tax dollars.

The loss of sovereignty inherent in world government, and in particular from the giving over of US parklands to UN control angered many. Many were surprised to learn that the UN controls a large section of forest land in New Hampshire, the Hubbard Brook Biosphere Reserve and Experimental Forest, located in the White Mountain National Forest. Many participants in the demonstration hope for passage of New Hampshire's 2005-H-0002-R, which if passed will urge Congress to withdraw the United States from the United Nations.

Photos: http://www.soulawakenings.com/underground/tikiwiki/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=5
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: bookish_lass on December 18, 2004, 09:00:31 pm
Wow, lotta reaction from Free Republic

UN Flag Burning (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1304315/posts?q=1&&page=1#1)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 18, 2004, 09:27:09 pm
Chatted with the Free Talk Live guys. Man those guys are nuts.  :o .... just had to throw that in there Ian. ;) It was good talking with you two.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: lloydbob1 on December 18, 2004, 10:07:56 pm
A good time was had by all

                                  and

The cookies were great!

Lloyd
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: FTL_Ian on December 18, 2004, 10:33:32 pm
We're the fun kind of nuts.  Thanks for the call.

Ian
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: RidleyReport on December 18, 2004, 10:44:49 pm
Posted link about this to Free Talk Live

http://bbs.freetalklive.com/viewtopic.php?p=2119#2119
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: John on December 19, 2004, 05:58:33 am
New Hampshire Sunday News, page A12 (State & Region), . . . with nice picture . . .
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 19, 2004, 07:24:52 am
The flag burning attracted just the right crowd from Keene.
The first guy that showed up early was a veteran that hangs out in downtown Keene waving flags to support the troops. He cut it short yesterday to join us and brought his flags and a big smile. The rest trickled in from there and we had a good group going before the newspapers showed up. We mostly attracted the pro-gun crowd that heard about us on the radio and wanted to support anything anti-UN. :)
It was great fun watching those babies go up in smoke.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: bookish_lass on December 19, 2004, 08:08:55 am
Here are the articles from the Keene Sentinel and Union Leader:

Press coverage (http://www.soulawakenings.com/underground/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=Press+Coverage)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: lloydbob1 on December 19, 2004, 08:19:09 am
Here are the articles from the Keene Sentinel and Union Leader:

Press coverage (http://www.soulawakenings.com/underground/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=Press+Coverage)

Pretty good articles.
I keep forgetting that the FSP was inspired by the Libertarian Party...Oh....thats right...because it wasn't!
Lloyd
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 19, 2004, 08:28:11 am
Pretty good articles...and I love the pictures. :)
They didn't missquote anyone terribly and basically got the flavor for the event.
They must have found out I was a FSP member from somewhere else. We didn't mention it.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: RidleyReport on December 19, 2004, 12:47:40 pm
If possible we'd like to get more national or outside-NH coverage of this and you can help.

Everyone who can please try to get the world informed about this event perhaps calling your local talk radio or to national media...  Doing so will reinforce the national perception of NH as the Live Free or Die State.

I'm working on this but need help as I am busy at my job this week.  Just get the word out as best you can if you are willing (other forums are obviously a good place too).
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: John on December 20, 2004, 02:26:50 am
National?  Talk show?
How's Matt (who tends to be kind of anti-UN) Drudge's once-a-week radio-show sound?

Trying to sqeeze as much info into the very tight time that one gets (and therefore talking quickly) things could sound a bit more dramatic than in normal conversation.  But, I think I did OK.
Don't worry - NO MENTION OF THIS OR ANY GROUP. There would be no reason to, as there was no "group."  Just people.

Anyway, I got to speak for about 20-30 seconds, Drudge made the (supportive) comments that one would expect, I spoak again for several seconds as Drudge thanked me for the call and said (sarcasticly) something like: OK, draw the blinds, and burn the flags of the UN.
Drudge finished the call with this powerful statement: "I guese New Hampshires's always.  They.  They.  They just don't want to be ruled over, by.  As.  As much government as we have.  Internationaly and domesticly." . . .  

So, I think my point was made.   8)

I am always happy to assist where I can - and very sorry if it doesn't quite work for everyone.  Sometimes action is nessesary. Hmmm?

Now I will try to learn to stay off the "bus", unless on it for direct, out of state, recruiting -- as some of us were to the Bill of Rights Celibration in MA, on Sunday.  LOL



 
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: John on December 20, 2004, 02:56:27 am
Oh BTW
Thanks to Dada for getting this started and Kat, Russel, et. al. for pulling it off in very little time.
Your decisive action got me to invest a few extra bucks & a few extra hours.

Thanks, also, to those who are trying to teach us to fly.
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: LeRuineur6 on December 20, 2004, 09:26:35 am
This was an excellent event, guys.

The FSP is definitely waking back up.  Let's do whatever we can to get more people here.

Use these newspaper articles to recruit more porcupines!
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: bookish_lass on December 20, 2004, 09:48:54 am
Thanks for calling in to Drudge, John!  You seriously rock :)  I wonder if someone can get on Rush today.

Mike, the photos of this event are really getting passed around the internet.  When people come to our site to see the photos, they're also seeing links to the FSP.  People are already saying things like, "Boy, those New Hampshireites sure don't like to be ruled."
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 20, 2004, 11:17:08 am
If anyone else does something crazy in NH, put it on the NH Underground wiki or just send it too us and we can put it up for you. 8)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: RidleyReport on December 20, 2004, 01:24:00 pm
Sorry this is belated but thanks to all who came to this exciting little event and braved the cold...  And especially to Kat and Russell who did so much to organize it!  

Great work on those photos Kira!
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: RidleyReport on December 21, 2004, 09:52:38 pm
John wrote:

<<How's Matt (who tends to be kind of anti-UN) Drudge's once-a-week radio-show sound?
>>

Wow you got on Druge that is first rate!    You have truly more than made up for not being able to be there; this probably got word out to 10 times as many people as the rest of the coverage combined.   What he said was pretty close to perfect...gotta keep that brand recognition up of NH as a place that doesn't like to be governed much :)
Title: Re:UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: RidleyReport on December 27, 2004, 03:22:15 pm
This discussion continues at:

http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=17.0
Title: Re: UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: RidleyReport on January 08, 2005, 03:23:25 am
Modified press release I'm finally getting around to posting on national web forums....

Liberty lovers from across the Live Free or Die State converged on Keene, New Hampshire to demonstrate their disgust with the United Nations.  Twenty citizens from Keene and as far away as Rochester and Etna joined in opposing the UN by burning multiple UN flags.  A promised counter-protest failed to materialize.

Various reasons for disgust with the UN drew this group together. Some were there in opposition to UN attempts to ban private gun ownership as was proposed at the 2001 UN Small Arms and Light Weapons Conference. A few gun rights advocates wore their firearms openly in celebration of the fact that our right to defend ourselves and our families is respected in New Hampshire. The oil-for-food scandal drew many to protest the excesses of Kofi Annan and the theft of our tax dollars.

The loss of sovereignty inherent in world government, and in particular from the giving over of US parklands to UN control angered many. Many were surprised to learn that the UN has influence over a large section of forest land in New Hampshire, the Hubbard Brook Biosphere Reserve and Experimental Forest, located in the White Mountain National Forest. Many participants in the demonstration hope for passage of New Hampshire's 2005-H-0002-R, which if passed will urge Congress to withdraw the United States from the United Nations.

Photos/Press coverage: http://www.soulawakenings.com/underground/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=Press+Coverage (http://www.soulawakenings.com/underground/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=Press+Coverage)

More info on the freedom movement in NH:

www.underground.soulawakenings.com (http://www.underground.soulawakenings.com)
 
Title: Re: UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 18, 2005, 09:21:33 am
It is time for this years flag burn. 8)

Oh they don't burn UN flags every year where you live? ...... then you need to move to NH. ;D
Title: Re: UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: KBCraig on December 19, 2005, 02:28:15 am
Currently on the front page of the Underground wiki:

http://underground.soulawakenings.com/tiki-index.php

And pics for posterity:

http://underground.soulawakenings.com/tiki-index.php?page=Second+Annual+UN+Flag+Burn

Title: Re: UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 19, 2005, 08:50:45 am
We succeeded in backing down the fire department and parks and rec guy ..... so they didn't show up and hassle us.

But we did not succeed in annoying the UN enough to show up and punish us. So either we need to do more and they will retaliate or maybe they too will just give ground. ;D
Title: Re: UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: freedominnh on December 20, 2005, 08:28:28 pm
Sounds like it is time to camp in the biosphere next summer in the White Mountains National Forest.
Title: Re: UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: John on January 08, 2011, 07:39:50 pm
Funny: I pretty much left this forum for the New Hampshire Underground waaaay back in 05, and I signed back in on this forum for the first time, since then, just last night but didn't have time to get caught up - at all.

Today we had a nice long get together, over at Peaceful Assembly Church in Grafton, regarding the (1st) New Hampshire Liberty, Justice & Peace Gathering and while two fairly new movers from different towns were here, this thread topic came up in regards to the various forum which are available, and some of the history.

One of the newer guys is quite knowledgeable about the UN and finds them to be ever encroaching, and he knows some things that can and should be done right here in NH.

It was a very friendly discussion. He seems quite certain that burning a UN flag is not what he has in mind. I, on the other hand, said "For me, I'm kind of itching to burn one."  ;D It was great meeting these guys and know it will be fun to work with them.

Now I check the replies to old posts, and while I did not come back for this - at all - here is this thread sitting right here saying, "Hello, welcome back."

My, oh my, how much has changed in half a decade. Oh my, how much has changed.  :o
Title: Re: UN flag burning in Keene, NH 12/18/04
Post by: Russell Kanning on January 16, 2011, 03:14:32 pm
ah remember that one?
we started this one way "back in the day" .... but it is still as fun as evah