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New Hampshire -- The "Live Free or Die" State => NH Jobs => Topic started by: Robert H. on November 17, 2002, 08:32:03 am

Title: Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: Robert H. on November 17, 2002, 08:32:03 am
Something I've been interested in for awhile is the idea of forming an investment or buying group to purchase real estate (your foreclosures, fix'er-uper's, notes, etc...) and then either selling them or renting them out.

If anyone here has any experience in that area or any desire to maybe form such a group, I'd love to hear from you.  I don't have much money for such, but if enough of us were involved, it might not take as much personal capital to get started.  Group credit could also be very helpful.
Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: wes237 on November 17, 2002, 04:55:35 pm
Robert... I sent you a private email on this subject. Thanks, Bill
Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: heyerstandards on November 18, 2002, 11:28:49 pm
In the broader experience of finding homes for 20,000 immigrants, your project will probably come in handy.  :D  Good luck.
Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: ZionCurtain on November 19, 2002, 02:46:26 pm
I have an idea. Buy a large pices of acreage in the NewCastle, Wyoming area. Survey it out and build our own little town. Porcupine, Wyoming sounds good to me. Have our own town charter and take the county over politically and as more FSPers move in to the state we can take the state over next. Just a dream but sounds fun to me.
Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: MrLiberty on November 19, 2002, 03:11:21 pm
Haha, funny timing, I just posted the same thought myself :)

Let's get a group together...  Maybe even a forum on here or a seperate site (Free State Land Trust Project maybe?) so we can focus on who is interested, how much we can start with, etc.

Just 50 people investing $1000 each is a great start.  Find a town with zero population, buy some property, "move" one of us in there and vote in a mayor, and start the movement :)

dada
Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: wildermuthn on November 23, 2002, 05:03:19 pm
I agree with the general idea here - that there ought to be a plan for moving into a new State.  You've got to live somewhere, and you've got to have a job.  Starting something now is the only thing that will let us succeed in the future.

How expensive is it to build a home, land included?  I imagine it goes down with the more homes that you are building.  Anyone have an idea?

Nate Wildermuth

Love your enemies
 - Jesus
Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: underwater on November 23, 2002, 09:36:23 pm
Similar idea over here:

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=6;action=display;threadid=925;start=15

Looking for comments and criticisms. Thanks!
Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: sfran on January 14, 2003, 01:51:35 pm
hi friends,
  i am the sole owner of telecomky.com and i propose to use 80% of the revenues generated to invest in housing and jobs after the state is picked and continue
reinvesting as the need for jobs and housing continues.interested prospective partners may contact me via email.
Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: DW on May 10, 2003, 02:04:42 pm
See my post of "Wyoming Ranch."
Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: Radar on May 10, 2003, 04:07:15 pm
So this would be sort of like a "planned community" where everyone chips in to buy the land and we make our own place?

Sounds cool.

Check out this website...

http://www.eaglestar.net/Eagle/montana.html
Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: DW on May 24, 2003, 05:37:12 pm
The free state Wyoming ranch will be much better than you describe.

It wil be a not-for-profit owned association that will offer members the right to a parcel of property for placement of a home or RV  or tent etc., for a period of 99 years!

In addition we will have our own light industrial park and air strip that will offer the same deal to business owners who will employ association members.

The idea is a closed loop that extends the no-tax benefits of the asociation theroughout its membership.

With our collective skills, and the ranch real estate, we will overcome the drawback of an unskilled workforce
in wonderful Wyoming and bring in our own jobs!

More questions?
 
Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: di540 on May 24, 2003, 06:11:08 pm
The free state Wyoming ranch will be much better than you describe.

It wil be a not-for-profit owned association that will offer members the right to a parcel of property for placement of a home or RV  or tent etc., for a period of 99 years!

In addition we will have our own light industrial park and air strip that will offer the same deal to business owners who will employ association members.

The idea is a closed loop that extends the no-tax benefits of the asociation theroughout its membership.

More questions?
 
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Yes. Just what kind of not-for-profit association will this be?
501.c.8?  501.c.10?
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Will it be as private as a Hutterite community?
Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: DW on May 24, 2003, 07:46:15 pm
It will be neither of those you describe. It will be a State certified organization. I will fill you in when we get further down the road.
Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: di540 on May 24, 2003, 08:07:34 pm
It will be neither of those you describe. It will be a State certified organization. I will fill you in when we get further down the road.
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Okay, so it's not 501.c.8 or 501.c.10 or any other kind of
privately-certified organisation. But it's not going to sit
too well w/this crowd to accept what is in effect a state
grant of a feudal tenure, if they really do believe in their
goal of a Free State.
Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: DW on May 24, 2003, 08:43:25 pm
Its not a State grant of anything! Its an officially recognized entity, by established law, within the state and by the State. Note upper and lower case.

There is nothing else that will eliminate the real property taxes on the "Ranch."
Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: di540 on May 24, 2003, 11:18:49 pm

Its not a State grant of anything! Its an officially recognized entity, by established law, within the state and by the State. Note upper and lower case.

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Make up your mind, please. Before you said that it was NOT
going to be anything similar to 501.c.8.
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Quote

There is nothing else that will eliminate the real property taxes on the "Ranch."

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Real property is a state grant of a tenure in land, for which
the holder receives a title, and the state receives taxes.
Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: DW on May 24, 2003, 11:37:07 pm
It is not the State that taxes you Maximo,
it is the County.

A section 501* entity is a Federal designation for Internal Revenue purposes!

Stop blowing smoke!



Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: di540 on May 25, 2003, 12:00:27 am
It is not the State that taxes you Maximo,
it is the County.

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A county is a state's administrative subdivision.
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You are a slippery marketeer who can't answer a
simple question, and when you get caught, you
go on the attack.
Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: di540 on May 25, 2003, 12:53:07 am
mAximo is correct.

DW is blowing smoke.

I know far more about county politics and budgets than mAximo.
I've studied both for a long time before I ran for commissioner.

Some forget that there are others here who see through the smoke.
Some know of what these others are trying to BS the naive here with.
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You are as bad as DW.
I asked DW a question and he is beating around the bush.
All you are doing is covering up for him by blowing more
smoke than he did.
Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: BobW on May 25, 2003, 01:56:31 am
Hi mAximo,

I'm following what you're saying and have got to charge you with playing semantics with a group not interested in it.

Of course you are correct that American transactions can be called a state grant of "feudal tenure". So?  

All this stuff is traced back to feudal times.  So what?  Even Magna Carta wasn't typed out by Kristeen Keeler and John Porfumo.

No American "owns land". They own estates in it.  Other areas outside the Common Law world use a different system.  It's still semantics.

(I'm not addressing the proposal above.)

BobW
Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: di540 on May 25, 2003, 02:33:32 am
Hi mAximo,

I'm following what you're saying and have got to charge you with playing semantics with a group not interested in it.

Of course you are correct that American transactions can be called a state grant of "feudal tenure". So?  

All this stuff is traced back to feudal times.  So what?  Even Magna Carta wasn't typed out by Kristeen Keeler and John Porfumo.

No American "owns land". They own estates in it.  Other areas outside the Common Law world use a different system.  It's still semantics.

(I'm not addressing the proposal above.)

BobW
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So how is it that you're not playing semantics for making a
mountain out of my small mole-hill?  But that's not the
real issue.
The issue is exactly the kind of not-for-profit association
that he proposed, and all I'm getting is a royal run-around
for asking that question: no, not private; no, not state.
Seeing that I have to play 20 Questions here:
Are the articles of association bigger than a breadbox?
Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: DW on May 25, 2003, 11:10:49 am
Last time Maximo......

You need a re-education from the "public school' doctrin you have absorbed.

Your statement that "No Americans owns land" is the standard BS that most of you have accepted as gospel!

If you are to move to wild Wyoming you had better learn to Patent your ground. The process removes the heavy hand of the State and County from your property and lots pf people, have done it, and are doing it, everyday!

I specifically told you that I was not divulging my methodology, for the "Ranch" at this time as I didn;t want to start a long disertation, like this one, that will be covered in later documentation.

You are also incorrect as to the relationship of the County and State, but that is "public" education, again.

Think positive, Maximo!
Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: Johnny Silverseed on August 23, 2003, 06:37:04 pm
Wanna do a share in a community effort like this ranch and I want a guy like the one who knows so much, like the guy here, to be there... issat you, Maximo?
Johnny Silverseed
Title: Re:Investment or Buying Groups
Post by: Johnny Silverseed on August 23, 2003, 07:24:23 pm
mAximo is correct.

DW is blowing smoke.

I know far more about county politics and budgets than mAximo.
I've studied both for a long time before I ran for commissioner.

Some forget that there are others here who see through the smoke.
Some know of what these others are trying to BS the naive here with.
.
You are as bad as DW.
I asked DW a question and he is beating around the bush.
All you are doing is covering up for him by blowing more
smoke than he did.

Sometimes cowboys blow smoke after they've shot their wad[cutter]... I think DW knows of what he speaks and is reluctuant to be too informative -to ye of little faith- in this venue ...pearls before swine, so to speak... Few know the reality of contract law and the wool pulled over our collective eyes. I for one- ain't blind anymore. Tell me, My fellow statesman, are you familiar with the Consolidated Annual Financial Reports for the city, county and state (corporations) within which you ran for office? (if not, see http://www.anthonyhargis.com/genocide.htm)
Johnny Silverseed; sui juris, straight-shooter