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Title: NH residents sign-up page
Post by: Amanda on July 16, 2004, 02:39:34 pm
I have been away for awhile because of my back-to-back trips to the PorcFest and then Rand Camp. I enjoyed meeting everyone at the PorcFest, and I extend my heartfelt thanks to everyone who helped make it a success. It was also nice to meet everyone who visited from far away. It is great to be back home, and we have lots of exciting things that I'll be announcing over the next few days! First, our NH Pioneers sign-up page...

At long last, we now offer a place for our friends and supporters in NH to sign up as Pioneers. A New Hampshire Free State Pioneer is someone who already lives in New Hampshire and supports the Free State Project. Anyone who would like to sign up as a NH Pioneer may do so here: https://secure.freestateproject.org/joinPioneer.jsp

Also, I'd like to encourage all NH Pioneers to write a welcome message for our new "Welcome from NH Residents" page: http://freestateproject.org/about/endorsements/#welcome For now, you can send those welcome messages to Tim C at tcondon@freestateproject.org

So we now have three categories of folks:

Participants = people who have pledged to move to the Free State according to the Statement of Intent & Participation Guidelines (counted toward the 20,000)

Friends = people who can't commit to moving to New Hampshire but support the Free State Project (not counted toward the 20,000)

Pioneers = people who already live in New Hampshire and support the Free State Project (not counted toward the 20,000)

As you're spreading the word to potential Participants, please also spread the word about our Friends and Pioneers options. Thanks!
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: RidleyReport on July 16, 2004, 10:43:37 pm
Would it be accurate to say that all 3 are considered Porcupines?
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: atr on July 16, 2004, 10:47:10 pm
Would it be accurate to say that all 3 are considered Porcupines?

It's my personal opinion that only Participants are Porcupines, technically. But I'm pretty sure there are other officers who disagree with this opinion.
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: Justin on July 17, 2004, 12:07:03 am
Does anyone else find it strange that a group of migrants is going to call a group of natives, who aren't going anywhere, "Pioneers"?  Perhaps we should call ourselves "Autochthony".
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: Justin on July 17, 2004, 02:48:53 am
Perhaps I'm missing something, but isn't the only difference between a Friend and a Pioneer where they live; outside NH vs. inside, respectively?
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: 5thconcerto on July 17, 2004, 07:36:20 am
I live in NH and wanted to be a Member, but could only be a Friend. Am I really a Pioneer?
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: svillee on July 17, 2004, 07:55:45 am
I moved from New York to Berlin, NH last December.  I am not an FSP member because I am not an activist.  But I consider myself a friend of the FSP, and will do what I can to help recruit people to move.

So I technically fall into the FSP category "pioneer".  Neither of the English words "autochthony" nor "pioneer" really fits, but "pioneer" is the closer of the two.
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: 5thconcerto on July 17, 2004, 08:23:38 am
Wouldn't it be useful, (as a sign of public support), to list, somewhere, the total number of Friends and Pioneers? Some fence-sitters might wonder about the Total support for the FSP.
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: atr on July 18, 2004, 11:36:19 am
Wouldn't it be useful, (as a sign of public support), to list, somewhere, the total number of Friends and Pioneers? Some fence-sitters might wonder about the Total support for the FSP.

Great suggestion. I'll look into adding this to the stats page: http://freestateproject.org/about/membership.php
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: atr on July 18, 2004, 11:37:22 am
Perhaps I'm missing something, but isn't the only difference between a Friend and a Pioneer where they live; outside NH vs. inside, respectively?

Yes, but the different term is intended to recognize the special role that our supporters inside New Hampshire have.
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: atr on July 18, 2004, 11:38:53 am
I live in NH and wanted to be a Member, but could only be a Friend. Am I really a Pioneer?

If I recall correctly, the consensus was that NH residents can decide for themselves which title they prefer.
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: SteveA on July 18, 2004, 04:38:34 pm
I hope the New Hampshire residents all realize they are as important as any FSPers we get.  It was just because the intent of the FSP was to increase the percent of pro-liberty activity, so it's not fair to count those already there towards the goal of getting 20K to move but we love our supports in N.H. :) :) :)

Nothing better than seeing some N.H. residents happy to have FSPers coming.  My thanks to the people in N.H. that have been working hard to keep it the "Live Free or Die" state.
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: Dave Mincin on July 18, 2004, 04:52:20 pm
Hey Steve...Can only speak for me, but hey look arround?  The folks  in NH have done a pretty good job of resisting the crap arround them!  For say a couple hundred years or so?

Again, can only speak for me, but what I have found is that they are most happy to see us comming by to help them!

Can only say...Ask the folks who have landed...what they think...and am certain they share my thoughts!
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: Michael Edelstein on July 18, 2004, 11:36:41 pm
Participants = people who have pledged to move to the Free State according to the Statement of Intent & Participation Guidelines (counted toward the 20,000)

IOW, the label "Member" will be replaced by "Participant."
Is that right?

Would it not be simpler and reduce transaction costs to keep the term "Member"? Will "FSP Member" be changed to "FSP Participant" under everyone's name on the Message Board?  
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: Justin on July 18, 2004, 11:53:09 pm
Dumbest. Thread. Ever.
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: 5thconcerto on July 19, 2004, 12:16:09 am
Dumbest. Thread. Ever.

Care to elaborate?
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: atr on July 19, 2004, 06:41:50 am
IOW, the label "Member" will be replaced by "Participant."
Is that right?
Member and Participant have long been used interchangably. Within the last several months, FSP leadership decided that Participant is the more accurate and official term of the two, and should be the term of choice.

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Would it not be simpler and reduce transaction costs to keep the term "Member"? Will "FSP Member" be changed to "FSP Participant" under everyone's name on the Message Board?  
Jason posted about this recently, basically to agree with you that changing the tags would be an ordeal and not worth the hassle at this time.
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: Michael Edelstein on July 20, 2004, 10:32:10 am
So we now have three categories of folks:

Participants = people who have pledged to move to the Free State according to the Statement of Intent & Participation Guidelines (counted toward the 20,000)

Friends = people who can't commit to moving to New Hampshire but support the Free State Project (not counted toward the 20,000)

Pioneers = people who already live in New Hampshire and support the Free State Project (not counted toward the 20,000)

One group is excluded. Therefore I propose adding a fourth category to include these folks:
Resident Members = Participants (I prefer the term "Members") who have already moved to NH. (They have been unofficially referred to as "early movers.")
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: bookish_lass on July 20, 2004, 10:37:38 am
"Early movers"..it's such a catchy title.  Makes it sound like we'd never need x-lax.   ;)
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: Michael Edelstein on July 20, 2004, 10:48:34 am
A problem with "early movers" (to get this thread out of the toilet ;D) involves its application once 18,999 Members have moved to NH. #19,000 will be labelled an "early mover!"
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: 5thconcerto on July 20, 2004, 10:52:16 am
A problem with "early movers" (to get this thread out of the toilet ;D) involves its application once 18,999 Members have moved to NH. #19,000 will be labelled an "early mover!"

Compared to #19,001, he/she would still be an early mover.   ;)
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: kater on July 20, 2004, 10:52:18 am
I don't really see a need to give a new title to folks who've moved.  I'm a member now, and I'm going to be a member 10 months from now in NH.  (I know, I know, the "participant" reeducation isn't taking with me. ;))  I can see keeping a count, but if we don't watch out we're going to be spending more time figuring out what to call folks than recruiting them.
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: Michael Edelstein on July 20, 2004, 11:12:22 am
I don't really see a need to give a new title to folks who've moved.

According to Amanda's suggested taxonomy, this group would be excluded. Consequently, it's not a matter of giving them a "new" title, but rather giving them a title, i.e., including them.

In addition, if the "Resident Members" are identified as such, it would allow Members who are ready to move to spot people on the Message Board to ask for suggestions concerning recognizing and dealing with any problems involved in moving.
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: kater on July 20, 2004, 11:58:49 am
Actually, they aren't excluded--they're just ahead of the game, having already done what they only agreed to do at a later date.  
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Participants = people who have pledged to move to the Free State according to the Statement of Intent & Participation Guidelines (counted toward the 20,000)

Amanda's terminology is just fine, because in order to move as an FSP member, you have to have pledged to move first.  
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: Michael Edelstein on July 20, 2004, 05:36:56 pm
Kater,

I appreciate your clarification.

I think both of our interpretations are legitimate--your literal one and mine, which relies on inferring from the wording that they have not yet moved.

In either case, I think it would be useful to have two separate categories, one consisting of non-resident members and the other of resident members.
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: Amanda on July 21, 2004, 10:46:52 am
Would it be accurate to say that all 3 are considered Porcupines?

It's my personal opinion that only Participants are Porcupines, technically. But I'm pretty sure there are other officers who disagree with this opinion.

Anyone can call themselves a Porcupine if they'd like.

But we're only counting the people who have joined & signed the SOI as Participants. The 20,000 number is just the people who have signed up to move to NH, or signed up prior to the vote.
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: Amanda on July 21, 2004, 10:47:47 am
Does anyone else find it strange that a group of migrants is going to call a group of natives, who aren't going anywhere, "Pioneers"?  Perhaps we should call ourselves "Autochthony".

We went with Pioneers because they were there first. The first wave, as it were.
Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: Denis Goddard on July 27, 2005, 05:22:56 pm
We went with Pioneers because they were there first. The first wave, as it were.

My wife Irena and I moved to New Hampshire last month.
She was born in what was then communist Czechoslovakia;
part of being a girl there was being a "Red Pioneer".
Sort of like being a Girl Scout, but much less palatable.

And now she's a Porcupine Pioneer.

Ironic, really.   ;)

Title: Re:NH residents sign-up page
Post by: Evenstar on August 15, 2005, 01:24:03 pm
Wouldn't it be useful, (as a sign of public support), to list, somewhere, the total number of Friends and Pioneers? Some fence-sitters might wonder about the Total support for the FSP.

Did anything ever come of this?  I have often wondered just how many "friends" there were.  :)