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Title: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Rearden on March 10, 2004, 02:52:42 am
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Title: Re:Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Delaware2 on March 22, 2004, 07:17:22 pm
What happened with the ann arbor mtg?

No one gets my twice-posted message that I can't yahoo.

So no one tells me the meeting location.  

Next time, at the Bash??  First Saturday in April??  
11AM, the Bash, maybe 2 or 3 would be a good time
for the meeting--if you can remember.



 
Title: Re:Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Detroiter on March 27, 2004, 12:58:55 pm
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Delaware2 wrote: What happened with the ann arbor mtg?

No one gets my twice-posted message that I can't yahoo.

I've been wondering about the wisdom of the Midwest 'Pines being located over on Yahoo.  I find the popup ads annoying, and you have brought up another issue.   But it might not be so great to have duplicity in both places either.  To answer your question, here's a note from Yahoo on the March 6 meeting:

Yeah ZuG, I think the meeting went well.  We covered some
interesting, widely varied topics:
1)Money- The NH bill to allow transactions with the state to be done
in sound money (silver or gold metal) was brought up.  One attendee
was kind enough to show us some Liberty dollars, both the coins and
the 100% metal-backed paper money (see www.norfed.org for more
info).  A couple other money approaches for those not fond of fiat
currency were also discussed, one being Hargis accounts.
2)Movies- Several movies with liberty-oriented themes were mentioned, among them "The House of Sand & Fog", "Shenandoah", "Black Sheep"
(with Chris Farley & David Spade) and "Cold Mountain"...I can't say
as I've seen any of them personally.  Also brought up was "Almost
banned movie night" being done by the LP of Oakland county, Michigan
showing "Harry's War" at 7 PM Saturday May 8th, at LP headquarters
610 E. Nine Mile Road in Hazel Park.
3)Harry Browne's site (http://www.harrybrowne.org/)was said to have a link to a site working toward repeal of the federal income tax (follow the Downsize DC button).  There are many other great links as well- you should check out Harry's website.
4)Some good books were discussed as well, "Possum Living" by Dolly
Freed (sp.?), and "Your money or your life" by Vicki Robin & Joe
Dominguez.  The first described living on the cheap, and the second
explores what you'd do with your life if all your basic needs were
met...then helps show you how to get to that point in life quicker.
5)Cheap smokes are available through a website (www.yesmoke.ch) however, do your own checking on the legality of such an undertaking...seems the tax man might not be happy if he misses out!
6)Tried to rough out some things which need changing, came up with:
a. reforming property seizure without due process
b. legalizing grass (overall, or just medical)
c. ending defacto discrimination known as affirmative action
d. correcting McCain-Feingold law stifling free political speech
under guise of "campaign finance reform"
e. reversing some losses of privacy & rights brought about by
the "Patriot Act".
7)JP is running for LP Executive Committee (Michigan), and is of the
opinion the LP should do some petition drives.  In fact, when our
meeting broke up JP went out into downtown Ann Arbor (liberal capitol
of SE Michigan) to gather petition signatures for the MCRI (Michigan
Civil Rights Intitiative- for more info see www.MCRI2004.org).  My kind
of activist!

So that's not a bad exchange of ideas for less than a dozen FSP
types, meeting for the first time, to toss out over a couple hours,
is it?  Just think what 20,000 commited activists moving to a small
state will be able to do if we can get activism to be a habit in the
here and now?

Vince
Title: Re:Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Delaware2 on March 29, 2004, 06:19:04 pm
It sounds like it went very well indeed.  

I can add to one point: That, firsthand, I have seen how the campaign "reform"
has stopped even grass roots organizations from making a statement
to the effect of "get rid of this corrupt , self-serving crowd" in local government.
McCain-Feingold makes even an ordinary citizen "organize", register, and keep records if you want to send out one letter complaining about your local officials.

However--Action is needed--how to MOVE to the Live Free or Die state.
I'm working on my personal plan, but I might be able to help others, too,
from my Granite state roots.  
Title: Almost Banned Movie-Harry's War May 8
Post by: Detroiter on May 04, 2004, 11:29:49 am
“Harry’s War” showing in SE Michigan
                   
This “almost banned” film is a comedy/drama about a man who had finally had enough.  Harry Johnson (played by Edward Herrmann) handles his tax problem like any sane patriotic American... he declares war on the Internal Revenue Service.  It isn't for hate of paying taxes, but love of and defense for his "Aunt" Beverly (played by 1986 Oscar winner Geraldine Paige), who is being unjustly harassed by the IRS. Harry's defensive spirit refuses to be broken. The hilarious antics that Harry chooses to fight the huge bureaucracy of government, becomes an effective weapon with the powerful American TV media. Harry's War ends with a dramatic climax you won't soon forget.

When "Harry's War" was released in 1981, it was almost immediately withdrawn from theaters.  The stars and almost everyone involved the film's production were audited by the IRS in an apparent effort to further suppress it!  A must see!!
 
You are invited to see "Harry's War" on Saturday, May 8, 7pm at Libertarian Party of SE Mich HQ, 610 E. Nine Mile Rd in Hazel Park.  It's about a half mile east of I-75 on Nine Mile, on the north side of the road.

Suggested donation: $10.  Free popcorn!  Afterglow party!  Hang out with liberty loving folks!  Queries - contact Greg Dirasian: gdirasian@lpocmi.org or phone 248 592 9731

Title: Re:Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: PintofStout on May 04, 2004, 12:53:24 pm
As I am not willing to drive 3+ hours from Youngstown, OH to see a movie, regardless of quality, do you know if the movie is available in any other format?  Perhaps it has a website to get more information?


Jeff
Title: Re:Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Detroiter on May 18, 2004, 07:00:21 pm
PintofStout-  I wound up missing the movie night myself.  I just did a search over on Ebay, and found 10 VHS copies in new condition for 25 bucks apiece.  Here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=309&item=4185009306&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V

I think I'll see if I can borrow from the local LP rep who put on the fundraiser...although I do really want to see "Harry's War", 25 bucks is a little steep...even if it is "almost banned".
Title: Re:Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: K. Boyle on July 31, 2004, 11:04:00 pm
I will be moving to Michigan in the very near future to be near my partner as he finishes school. I would like to know if there are any other planned events for this area, or if any FSP members live near the Roscommon area.

Thank you.
Title: Re:Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Detroiter on August 04, 2004, 06:38:20 am
Welcome to Michigan!  Our state needs more advocates of freedom, so I hope you'll practice up on your activism while you're here.  Our state just had a nice advancement yesterday, as the City of Detroit medical marijuana initiative which was on the ballot passed (congrats to Tim Beck & crew).

Some resources you may want to look into:
1)Yahoo! Group Midwest Porcupines http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midwestporcupines/ (You'll need to register, which is fairly painless)
2) College Libertarian club at Central Michigan looks like the closest one to you, contact via e-mail cmulp@yahoo.com
3) Libertarian Party of Michigan website is http://www.lpmich.org/  which includes a calendar of upcoming events.

Let me know if you need more info, or how the relocation is going for you.
Title: Re:Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: mvpel on August 10, 2004, 06:15:21 pm
An FSP-sounding LTE was published in today's A2 News. Does anyone know Jerrod Mason?

With the crap the city council has been pulling lately, seems like Ann Arbor would be ripe pickings for FSP members.

I'll post the link when MLive.com updates with today's info.
Title: Re:Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Detroiter on September 06, 2004, 08:11:57 am
Here's an upcoming event for this week in SE Michigan:

September 9, 2004 - 7:30 PM
Speech: "The Free State Project and the History of the LPM," by Brian Wright, former LPM Chair. Dinner at 7pm, meeting 7:30pm.
Location: Cubs' AC Restaurant (located in the Colonial Lanes Bowling Center) at 1950 S Industrial Hwy, Ann Arbor.
Contact: Jeff Weber Phone: (734) 434-6486 E-mail: humanism@comcast.net
Title: Re:Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Detroiter on October 27, 2004, 11:37:40 pm
SE Michigan lit drop- volunteer a few hours?

Sara Sjoberg is a Libertarian running for State Representative for District 27 in Michigan (Royal Oak & Madison Heights).  She did well in the 4-way debate, which is running repeatedly on the local cable channel between now and the election.  She also has put together a very nice website with lots of information on her political positions.  One effort which could use some volunteer help between now and Election Tuesday is door-to-door literature drops.  If you are in the area and can spare 2 hours or more, check out her website for her contact information...you can either sign up for an area to cover by yourself, or hook up with another volunteer if you want to have some fun and good company.

www.sarasjoberg.com
Title: Re:Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Drew on November 03, 2004, 09:42:23 pm
Noob Here

Barely beginning to consider a move. I just alway swore when I was ready to move, it would be away from the cold and snow.

Live in Belleville, MI
Title: Re:Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Detroiter on November 09, 2004, 07:55:42 pm
Hi Drew, welcome to the group!

I think more people in the Midwest 'Pines group keep an eye on the Yahoo Group message board at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midwestporcupines (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midwestporcupines)

I just posted there to see if I can drum up interest in having another meeting.  Here's the meat from that note:  "we have about a dozen new members to the group since our last meeting in March.  I know that summer has been busy for me, and probably for many others as well.  Now that fall is here, perhaps it's a good time for us to get some folks together for some in-person discussions.

While I'd be fine with going back to the same Ann Arbor, Michigan location we used last time, I wonder what others may have in mind?  Post a note with your preference for location(s), day/time, and any other needs such as "smoke free", "kid friendly", or whatever. And if anybody has ideas for some activities we can do while we meet which will help promote the FSP and/or freedom, run those proposals by us."
Title: Re:Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Detroiter on November 23, 2004, 05:32:05 pm
Hmm...haven't heard a peep on either bulletin board (Yahoo & FSP) from anybody interested in meeting.  Could be y'all are more interested in doing something productive, rather than just some face-to-face time.  Here's an idea that I intend to pursue, if any Midwest Porcupines want to join in that would be great:

Sell some stuff on ebay and donate the money to FSP.  Within the auction listing, put a mention of the FSP, what it's about, a link to the FSP website, and the FSP phone # 888-532-4604.  I want to get a few items together from others in the Midwest Porcupines & list them all at once for synergy & repetition.  One of the places the idea has been previously used (in part):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6910155262

I picked up a nice copy of The Fountainhead at the local library used book rack the other day for 50 cents, that will be one of my first listings for this effort!  Stuff to sell need not be liberty-oriented; even freedom lovers buy all kinds of assorted stuff.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: E_Clay10 on January 13, 2005, 03:49:01 pm
Why have I been a member for about a year and no one has contacted me?

I am from the Wasteland (sorry, Westland ;) )  MI area and would like to get involved.

I am an Objectivist "not" a Liberterian, though.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: 5thconcerto on January 14, 2005, 09:32:55 am
Welcome E_Clay! I am from the "objectivist" branch of the FSP. While I may vote for LP candidates, I am not a party member.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: E_Clay10 on January 20, 2005, 11:33:04 pm
I like your handle/screename too.  I wonder where you found it at?
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Icarus_Condition on February 19, 2005, 04:25:03 pm
I'm from Michigan and I'm seeking some information before I make the move.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: bookish_lass on February 19, 2005, 04:38:12 pm
What kind of information?
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Icarus_Condition on February 19, 2005, 04:56:44 pm
Well... jobs.. average salary for IT professionals. Apartments.. uh... anything else someone should know right before making the move.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: mvpel on February 20, 2005, 10:41:08 am
What part of New Hampshire are you looking at?

SANS and SAGE both do annual salary surveys, you can find the details on their websites.

Most of the IT jobs are concentrated along the Route 128 corridor in Massachusetts and in the Boston area, New Hampshire has been historically more manufacturing and industry oriented but there are, of course, still IT jobs in NH in support of such companies.  Better to work out of NH than Mass, in order to avoid paying the Mass income tax.

We researched apartments before we moved with a few strategic web searches.  We discovered only two complexes seemingly in the entire state of NH which allowed dogs over 40 pounds, so our options were limited.  If you don't have pets, you'll have much more flexibility in that respect.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Detroiter on February 24, 2005, 07:24:44 am
Why have I been a member for about a year and no one has contacted me?

I am from the Wasteland (sorry, Westland ;) )  MI area and would like to get involved.

I am an Objectivist "not" a Liberterian, though.

E_Clay10, I contacted the FSP greeter coordinator with your issue.  It seems that our Midwest greeter has been disconnected from getting info about any new joiners.  So, welcome from a "regular Joe".

I work in Livonia, so if you'd like to get together for some non-socialist company, let me know.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: EclecticBuddha on April 05, 2005, 12:12:52 pm
K, so im trying to figure out where the heck I belong... I live south of Canton, OH so I'm roughly East Central Ohio... should I be here or in western PA... I'm trying to figure out how far the center of each is because driving on $2 a gallon isnt cheap even on my little Ranger.  Heres a self-serving idea... have a meeting in Canton during the Football Hall of Fame Inductions, rib burnoff, parades, concerts, and whatever other stuff theyre doing this year.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: PintofStout on April 05, 2005, 01:01:06 pm
I've been dealing with the same problem, but since I work in Pittsburgh, I've been more involved with the WPA group.  If there are enough of us, we could make a smaller local group around the East Ohio area.  The group delineations aren't set in stone.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: EclecticBuddha on April 05, 2005, 09:32:39 pm
perchance, i mean the whole I-77 corridor, is kind of between areas...
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: EclecticBuddha on April 13, 2005, 05:19:55 pm
Echo... Hey Pint, any luck getting a hold of anybody???
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: PintofStout on April 13, 2005, 05:58:24 pm
Not really.  The other two guys I tried to welcome the same time as you have never responded, and a fourth person I tried to greet never responded.

The WPA local group dropped off the radar as soon as Jason Sorens left town after his speaking engagement (for which they were coming out of the woodwork at U Pitt Law School).  So all the enthusiasm for tax day stuff immediately after the JS talk disappeared quick.  I don't even know if anyone is protesting in Pittsburgh.  I'll be in Youngstown, if you want to join me (a BW-3 is right down the street for a midnight refreshment.)  I will get there (hopefully) around 7:00.

You still have my phone number?
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: EclecticBuddha on April 13, 2005, 11:10:11 pm
funny... i want to bw-3's in canton watching the tribe spoil another decent pitching performance... the drive to youngstown is a bit of a stretch and unless theres something productive going on its a little worthless... and im 19 so "being productive" in bars is out... unless its at quaker steak and lube in sharon... they dont seem to care there...  and i'll have to check my email to see if u ever threw ur # in one of them.  Viva a lower damn drinking age so i can get some goddamn killians without buying beer for someone else.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: xyn931 on July 19, 2005, 05:24:23 pm
I understand that this post hasn't been updated or replied to in a few months but I was wondering if anyone knew of any form of gatherings or meetings on the subject in the near future in Michigan. I am newly exposed to FSP and whatnot, but nonetheless, I'd like to do my part for spreading the word and giving my imput towards any important descisions.

Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: bIlluminati on July 23, 2005, 02:41:13 am
I'm in Columbus, Ohio, which is along another border to the Cincinnati area. Lately I've been working shifts which are not conducive to meeting people during normal waking hours - working evenings and weekends. But that is about to change, so presumably will be more active in the near future.

Face-to-face meetings are useful, but a bit challenging. When we had one in Columbus, people drove from 200 miles away to attend, but I was the only one from Columbus, even though I know at least five members locally - probably there are more that I don't know.

Again soon

Thomas
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: EclecticBuddha on July 29, 2005, 03:06:35 am
I'm near canton and other than pintofasout theres nobody in eastern ohio actice it seems.  Our whole area isnt close to most points in PA and sure as hell isnt close to Indiana or Michigan.  I get my 40hrs in over sun. mon. and tues so any place within 45min-1hr of columbus is within my reasonable driving range.  It already takes me 2+hrs to get there if I take I-70... unless of course someone would rather come to the Pro Football Hall of Fame festivities going on... that would rock.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Detroiter on September 14, 2005, 05:45:35 pm
This local group is in need of a new leader...current leader has posted on the Yahoo Group that she will be out of the country in a matter of a few weeks.  Anybody out there with an interest?
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: AmerTwnCrier on September 16, 2005, 09:55:09 pm
Greetings All.  I finally managed to get signed in. My thanks to Brian Sullivan @ Participant Services for the quick reply. 
First things first.  I'm currently selling my property in the Sheridan Michigan area and was planning on buying in Michigan.  My second choice was to move to Panama or Costa Rica - but without a social security number I can't get a passport and now I also will be unable to get a drivers license renewal.  Some statism idea that it will be possible to catch 'dead beat dads'.  Well, I'm not a dad - in fact, I don't have children.  Ok, I've been a member of the patriot movement for over 25 years so I know why they really want the number used. This is what motivated me to start using the internet...looking for answers to survival without an SSN.  I found FSP from a banner ad when I was on the Sierra Times webpage and here I am. 
This leads me to ask all the mid-west members what they want? It appears there is a need for a local group leader and I've got time on my hands to spare.  Until next August I can even travel to meetings.  After that, maybe I'll try an Internation drivers license or the World Service Authority (WSA) which issues documents under the United Nations.  That's another story.  In the meantime...I'd like to get busy!
Lately the question, "Can one person make a difference" has been on my mind. Rather then go into the details let me jump to the end. How about taking back just one state!  Get the pyramid back in order: First comes, WE THE PEOPLE, the the state and THEN the feds.  With that thought in mind...and then connecting with FSP it seems the possibilities for developing a 'Galt's Gulch' is within reach. (I know there are some Objectivists out there - that was another motivation for joining. OK...I'm getting long winded.  Hello to you all. I'd like to start hearing from you.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: AmerTwnCrier on September 17, 2005, 02:23:34 pm
Hello again Midwest members...I've been browsing other threads? while you've been offline and the social security number is an issue I wanted to make sure we all discuss here in our group.  I found the NH regulation that addressess the issue in relation to drivers licences and found that all of us (if we moved to NH) would in fact need to place it on the form.  Only renewals can avoid the requirement...so each of the 20,000 going to NH would have the problem.  I'm pasting the regulation for you to read...we really need to deal with this.  I'll be ready to move to NH as soon as my property here in MI sells and I would like to be there while staying in touch with this group. BUT...I don't use my number (haven't since 1990) and WON'T use it again.  Here it is. When you get online...I'd really like to start hearing from you and start to meet with you. PS...I just re-read the regulation (I forgot to be VERY careful and it would appear that it could be understood that a RESIDENT may not have to give it.
What do you think? How does it read to you? Thanks.
TITLE XXI
MOTOR VEHICLES
CHAPTER 263
DRIVERS' LICENSES
Form of License
Section 263:40-a
    263:40-a Social Security Numbers; Addresses; Application Form Options. –
    I. (a) An applicant for a driver's license who has not previously been licensed to drive a motor vehicle in this state shall provide his or her social security number in the application. The applicant shall be given the opportunity to determine whether to have his or her social security number retained in the records of the department of safety. The application form shall include a box to check off if the applicant does not wish to have his or her social security number retained in the records of the department.
       (b) The application form for a renewal of a driver's license may request the social security number of the applicant. An applicant who is a resident of New Hampshire shall be given the opportunity to determine whether to provide the social security number. The application form shall include a box to check off if the applicant does not wish to provide his or her social security number pursuant to this paragraph.
       (c) The application form for an initial driver's license or a renewal of a driver's license shall include a box to check off if the applicant does not wish to have his or her social security number appear on the license, a box to check off if the applicant wishes to have his or her mailing address appear on the license instead of his or her home address, and a box to check off if the applicant does not wish to have his or her computerized image, likeness, or photograph retained in the records of the department of safety.
    II. Notwithstanding RSA 91-A, RSA 260:14, RSA 261:60, or any other provision of law to the contrary, the social security number shall not be a public record open to the inspection of any person. The department shall not sell or otherwise provide individual social security numbers or lists of social security numbers for any purpose which is not stated in this paragraph. The department shall only make the social security number available to other states for driver record purposes, to any national driver information repository established pursuant to federal law, or, on their request on a case by case basis (a) to a law enforcement agency that requires the social security number for investigative purposes, or (b) to the department of health and human services for use only in the administration of child support enforcement.
    III. At the time that an individual provides the social security number to the department, the individual shall be given the opportunity to determine whether he or she desires to have the number printed on his or her license. If the individual desires not to have the social security number printed on his or her license, it shall not be printed on the license.
    IV. An individual shall be given an opportunity to determine whether his or her mailing address shall be printed on the license instead of his or her home address. If the individual desires to have the mailing address printed on his or her license, the home address shall not be printed on the license. The individual's home address shall be retained in the department's records.
Source. 1989, 349:1. 1995, 310:181. 1997, 351:54. 2002, 214:1, eff. Jan. 1, 2003.

Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Detroiter on September 18, 2005, 08:16:48 am
Greetings All... 
This leads me to ask all the mid-west members what they want? It appears there is a need for a local group leader and I've got time on my hands to spare.  Until next August I can even travel to meetings... In the meantime...I'd like to get busy!
Lately the question, "Can one person make a difference" has been on my mind...Hello to you all. I'd like to start hearing from you.

Hey back at ya, AmerTwnCrier-  You should post over on the Yahoo Group Midwest Porcupines as well.  I have found in the past that more people are posting there than on the FSP board, although there are also some who refuse to Yahoo and only use the FSP board.  And yes, this group has been deathly quiet for some time now...perhaps the end of summer will bring people back to their computers.

What do I want as a local group?  Interaction with other pro-freedom folks.  Information about local issues.  Activism where it makes sense.  Promotion of the FSP, to help raise awareness & bring in new members.

Erica (current leader) is looking for handing off 2 things, moderator (spam filter-outer) for the Yahoo Group, and leader of the Midwest Porcupines.  I'd suggest contacting her, as well as the Local Groups coordinator (contact info for both listed at the top of this thread).
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Jack9f on November 10, 2005, 08:35:36 am
I just found this forum and I am interested in sharing with others concerning the FSP and other Libertarian ideas either online or within driving distance of Detroit, Ann Arbor, Flint, or Lansing.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Detroiter on December 06, 2005, 07:40:32 pm
Hello Jack9f- Welcome to the forum.  I gather that you are in my general vicinity...do you have any thoughts on successful endeavors from recent news (medicinal MJ in Detroit & Ferndale, MCRI anti-affirmative action petitions, other)?  Any good ideas to reduce size & scope of gov't in our area?  One that I have is to force our state police to stop melting down all the guns they come into possesion of, and sell them like our Dept. of Natural Resources does at auction every year.  Hard to get figures, but I figure they gotta waste a million dollars a year with that policy.  On the local level I'd like to get our Code Enforcement staff cut in half, and move the remainder from police interceptor vehicles to some 50 MPG type vehicle (they think they are supercops enforcing important laws!!!).
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: AmerTwnCrier on December 09, 2005, 03:45:00 pm
Hello Jack9f and welcome.  I live about an hour north of Lansing and have wondered if any meetings could be scheduled.  Our area has been rather quiet for some time.  FSP is looking for group leaders and it sounds interesting but for now even meeting new interested people would be a start.  I'm not really interested in trying to change Michigan...I'm NH bound as soon as my property sells.  If you or any others in the area want to try again to set up a meeting let's give it a try.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: templersstorms on July 04, 2006, 05:42:10 pm
Hello, I am sort of new to FSP but am very very interested in it. I am as of now still a minor, but would still like to attend your next local meeting, so just wondering where and when. I live in Webberville. Which is not to far from Lansing. I could prolly brings some friends who I are slowly learning that they are not free and they are becoming very pissed off about it. I know many people who are learning this fact, but they do not know that they are not alone. They need organization, they need some way to help do something about it, as most are not the kind of people who are about to directly start something to do something about it. So, they/we need some direction, and I believe that this might just be it. Peace out.

Aim - templersstorms
Yahoo - amadeus_james
e-mail - 40kultraist@gmail.com
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: AmerTwnCrier on July 19, 2006, 06:09:52 pm
Hello to everyone in the Midwest area. A young man recently posted on the underground site and wanted to plan a meeting. I talked to Nik Ludwig the other day and it looks like Nik will be able to be in the Michigan area toward the end of august. We discussed the idea of a meeting to have a chance to talk to amadeus and his friends.
I live an hour north of Lansing..in Crystal. (Find Carson City and go north 6 miles).
Anyone interested in coming to Crystal for the meeting please let me know. It's an opportunity to meet with local FSP'ers and to meet Nik as well.
So far it appears that about 8 - 12 people will be attempting to make the meeting.
Hope to see you here. We will be having a BBQ and I suppose I'll even put on my Town Crier costume.  :)
Let's see if the Midwest can get it together.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Jitgos on August 16, 2006, 09:53:51 pm
Dear Fellow Free Staters:

If you know anyone in Northern Indiana/Southern Michigan please let them know. Thanks!

I'm writing to you all to invite you to our first local FSP event on Saturday, 8/26/06. We'll be meeting at Hacienda restaurant at Easy Shopping Place in downtown Elkhart at 5:30pm for food and fun.

Below are a few notes that I have for everyone:

1. For a map and directions http://www.google.com/maps?hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&q=hacienda&near=Elkhart,+IN&cid=0,0,3283755684946427819&ie=UTF8&ll=41.690348,-85.966941&spn=0.023042,0.030513&om=1 .

2. If you plan to attend (as I encourage everyone to do - it will be fun!), please RSVP via email at this address or by phone if you have not already done so. Everyone who shows up is of course welcome, but the more I have a handle on how many are attending the better. Thank you!

3. Personnel at Hacienda will be able to direct you to our table. Just mention the FSP.

4. Mr. Nik Ludwig, the FSP's Volunteer Coordinator will be coming down to Elkhart specifically for this event. Not every Local Group gets this kind of attention, so it will be a great opportunity to learn about activism in general and the FSP in particular.

That's about all for now. Please have a good week, try to beat the heat, and I'll see you all on the 26th!

For Liberty,
Jeremy Couch
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: mvpel on August 23, 2006, 01:59:39 pm
Hello all,

I'll be visiting my family in Ann Arbor, Michigan, the week between Christmas and New Year's, December 23-31, and would be interested in getting together with any Free Staters in the region while we're out there.

Caren and I are the first ones to have made the move to New Hampshire after the vote.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Denis Goddard on August 23, 2006, 05:22:18 pm
I'll be visiting my family in Ann Arbor, Michigan, the week between Christmas and New Year's, December 23-31, and would be interested in getting together with any Free Staters in the region while we're out there.

Caren and I are the first ones to have made the move to New Hampshire after the vote.
Awesome!!

I would suggest you get in contact with the Michigan LP (http://www.mi.lp.org/) ASAP, and see if they'll let you speak for a few minutes at any meeting they might have during that time. Whether or not you're not an LP member yourself, they might be interested to hear your story. It's a great way to let like-minded people know that we are scoring victories (http://freestateblogs.net/victories06) already, and that they can choose to come join us any time they wish.

You also might want to post on the Midwest Porcupines (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midwestporcupines) Yahoo group.

Good luck and have fun!
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Klaus on November 15, 2006, 12:43:31 am
You know, it seems we get so close to actually getting together that I can almost taste it!  But it just hasn't happened yet.  Let's try again, shall we?

I know that Richard Mawby can host a get-together at his rural location about a hour NE of Grand Rapids.  There are several Porcs in the GR, Grand Haven, Muskegon, etc. area.  We have Porcs in Lansing (Amadeus and crew of course!), and Retta I know is in the Detroit area.  I'm sure I've missed some (so please chime in) but here's what I propose:

If possible, let's either A) meet somewhere west-central (Grand Rapids, Lansing, Richard's place, etc), and then try for another meeting in the Detroit area.  Or B) if everyone agrees to drive, we all drive to Richard's place and make him put us all up for the weekend :).  (Don't think he has enough room actually but who knows?  And a handful of silver might interest him...).  Particularly if he has a place to shoot, camp, play some music, etc., that could be a great time (we did something like this in Minnesota in September and it was a lot of fun and we picked up a new participant who came along - so good for recruiting also).  Or let's make a plan C).

If you have other ideas please post 'em, but let's keep talking until we come up with a plan that works.  As you know, I'm originally from Northern Indiana, so I'll drive over from Minnesota (with some advance notice), visit the relatives in Michigan City, maybe pop over to Elkhart and see how Jeremy's group is doing, and then see the Wolverine/Porcupines, or whatever you decide to call yourselves ;).

Lemme' know what you think!

Nik (cross-posted to the Midwest Porc Yahoo group)
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: lowen on November 15, 2006, 05:40:34 pm
Hmm... wolverpine or porcurine.  I can't decide.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Ward Griffiths on November 16, 2006, 01:29:01 am
Hmm... wolverpine or porcurine.  I can't decide.
Well, whether wolverine or porcupine, before the barbecue you'll want to peel them very cautiously, being extremely careful (in both species) with glands near the base of the tail that can spoil the meat and/or the immediate geography.  Wolverine is tough, I'd recommend a long marinade, fairly acidic, a commercial Italian dressing will probably do it in a day or two.  Porcupine, mix the dressing half with water and maybe at most a day.  Then cook until done.  I'm partial to roasting, but if you butterfly them, either should work fine on the grill.

Not sure about wolverpine or porcurine.  Not enough experience cooking products of such extreme miscegenation.  Probably have to go with a strong (probably Vindaloo) curry seasoning, just to be safe.  But then again, I use Vindaloo seasoning on mashed potatoes and if I ate morning cereal probably on that.

Wolverine, porcupine, wolverpine or porcurine, if you can catch it and clean it, I'll turn it into chili if other circumstanstances don't require me to turn you over to the arbitrators.  (If I'm going to cook it, there must not be opposable thumbs or a speech center much more than about 1% of the brain mass).
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: mvpel on December 04, 2006, 05:53:22 am
Hey all, I'll be in Michigan visiting my folks from about the 23rd of December 2006 probably until after the new year, and my wife and I'd be happy to get together with Porcupines.

We were the first Porcupines to relocate to New Hampshire after the vote.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: AmerTwnCrier on December 09, 2006, 02:03:07 pm
Hey all, I'll be in Michigan visiting my folks from about the 23rd of December 2006 probably until after the new year, and my wife and I'd be happy to get together with Porcupines.

We were the first Porcupines to relocate to New Hampshire after the vote.

I I remember correctly you will be in the Ann Arbor area? If so, Lansing is probably a central meeting point. I don't really know Lansing (it's a bit city and I try to avoid those at any cost :)  ) but I'd be willing to meet for lunch/coffee.  Amadeus James also lives in that area, so he might be able to get to a meeting. If so, he might be able to pick a spot where we can get together. If you are interested...i'll contact him and find out.
As far as groups getting together...Nik still thinks he'll be able to make it to Michigan around the end of january...so any groups interested in getting together...2 or 3 locations will work. He will travel around Michigan to help more people get involved without having to drive too far.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Detroiter on December 20, 2006, 09:09:43 am
Hey all, I'll be in Michigan visiting my folks from about the 23rd of December 2006 probably until after the new year, and my wife and I'd be happy to get together with Porcupines.

We were the first Porcupines to relocate to New Hampshire after the vote.

I'm game to get together after the 25th.  General conversation over coffee or beer, or a get together to play some cards would be great.  Somewhere between Toledo on the south & Flint on the north, Port Huron on the east & Jackson on the west.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: templersstorms on December 28, 2006, 11:58:35 pm
Count me in. End of January -ish works well for me, maybe watch some movies, live music, talk protest type of things. Any other ideas?
Bring your friends. Peace.

-Amadeus James-
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Klaus on December 29, 2006, 03:19:35 pm
Yeah I'm still on for the end of January.  I'll start looking more seriously at the calendar and throw out some dates and locations in MI and IN for consideration.  Our Minnesota local group is going to the range on 1/27 to perforate some paper as part of the FSP Postal Matches http://www.freestateproject.org/freestatematch.  I can shoot my targets any time so they don't need me there to mess up their aim, but if some of you want to go to a range on that weekend we could add that to the potential agenda.

Live music sounds good.  Make our own?  Who plays what?

Nik

Count me in. End of January -ish works well for me, maybe watch some movies, live music, talk protest type of things. Any other ideas?
Bring your friends. Peace.

-Amadeus James-
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: LaneRebel on January 03, 2007, 10:58:04 pm
Are there any members in this group from Clevleand, OH?  I'm interested in helping out, but may not be able always be able to make the > 2 hour drive to Indiana/Michigan for meetings.  I'm curious if there are any other NEO residents in this group.

Also, I may try to attend the upcoming meeting, and I have a bass guitar to help make music if that's what's happening :). 

-Joe
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Klaus on January 05, 2007, 12:57:13 pm
Joe,

There are quite a few Porcs in the Cleveland area, but up til now no meetings that I know of.  It would be great to meet you and do some music at a meeting in MI/IN, but you might also consider just helping organize a group in your area (I understand not very many people can or will drive 2+ hours to a meeting).  Also if you join the Midwest Porcupines Yahoo group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midwestporcupines/) you will see there is a possibility of a Columbus meeting soon.

Let me know if you'd like to get something going in NE Ohio, but in any case thanks for checking in, keep in touch and look forward to meeting you soon!

Nik


Are there any members in this group from Clevleand, OH?  I'm interested in helping out, but may not be able always be able to make the > 2 hour drive to Indiana/Michigan for meetings.  I'm curious if there are any other NEO residents in this group.

Also, I may try to attend the upcoming meeting, and I have a bass guitar to help make music if that's what's happening :). 

-Joe
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: LaneRebel on January 05, 2007, 01:10:54 pm
Thanks for the reply!  I'd definitely like to get something going in NEO.  What exactly can I do to get started?

I'd also be interested in coming to the meeting on the 27th (pending spouse-approval), just to see how they go and get an idea of what to do here.  Not to mention it sounds like fun, music and movies are two of my favorite things!

-Joe
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Klaus on January 07, 2007, 06:28:05 pm
Joe,

There is some good start-up info here:  http://www.freestateproject.org/community/localgroups/  If you read the essays you'll get the basic idea, but I can walk you through it also (email, IM or call me).

Hopefully we'll get some dates and locations nailed down on the MI trip soon and we'll post them here and on the yahoo group.

Nik

Thanks for the reply!  I'd definitely like to get something going in NEO.  What exactly can I do to get started?

I'd also be interested in coming to the meeting on the 27th (pending spouse-approval), just to see how they go and get an idea of what to do here.  Not to mention it sounds like fun, music and movies are two of my favorite things!

-Joe
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: mvpel on December 26, 2007, 02:01:43 pm
Hi folks,

My wife and I, who were the first Free Staters to permanently relocate to New Hampshire after it was chosen, are here in Ann Arbor for the week and we'd welcome the opportunity to have local porcupines chat about New Hampshire.

We'll be at the Arborland Starbucks, just off US23 Panera Cafe at the corner of Washtenaw and Huron Parkway, west of US-23 exit 37, at 11:00am this coming Saturday, December 29.  Hope to see you there!

Venue change due to poor parking situation at the Arborland Starbucks.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: Gestalt_Casey on July 29, 2009, 08:06:45 pm
Is this this region that covers the Columbus area?

Is there a central ohio group or central ohio meetings/events or place to let people know of libertarian-type events?
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: magnetic on July 30, 2010, 04:42:41 pm
Any FSP participants left in Michigan or the Detroit area??

I recently joined, I think I discovered FSP after watching a Marc Stevens video on Youtube and visiting his site, then I found LRN and the rest is history.   I've lived in Detroit since 2005, I chose to live here because it seemed like a free place to live, I assumed the cops would be too busy chasing crooks to bother a peaceful person like myself.  While that is mostly true, I still have to pay property and other taxes (Detroit has a CITY INCOME TAX).  I think dissatisfaction with paying taxes is what lead me to libertarianism/anarcho-capitalism.  And I naturally agreed with all the other views commonly held by those that oppose the state.

So what am I still doing in the murder capital?   ???

Well, I have a full time job of many years and a girlfriend of many years.  I have stability that has allowed me to pay down debt and I am getting closer to my goal of being free from debt.  I'm not afraid of moving somewhere with no job and little money (that describes things when I first moved to Detroit in 2005), but I do want to get rid of my debt...

Plus I have a house to unload.  The plus here is that I own it free and clear (for now... I am contemplating not paying my property taxes).
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: LiftsBoxes on July 31, 2010, 02:05:44 pm
Hello Everyone,

My wife, two daughters and I moved from the Western 'burbs of Detroit in March of '09.  There are several people here in NH from the mid-west, quiet a few from MI.

Please let me know what we can do to help you out.

You might want to consider getting on Facebook and looking up the "FSP Job Alert" "Porcu-profits" and "The Informal University."

Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: magnetic on July 31, 2010, 05:35:47 pm
Hello Everyone,

My wife, two daughters and I moved from the Western 'burbs of Detroit in March of '09.  There are several people here in NH from the mid-west, quiet a few from MI.

Please let me know what we can do to help you out.

You might want to consider getting on Facebook and looking up the "FSP Job Alert" "Porcu-profits" and "The Informal University."



Thanks for the support.  My move date right now is 2012, but Michigan is such a hellhole I may not be able to wait that long... 

Also I refuse to use Facebook, but thanks.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: LiftsBoxes on August 01, 2010, 04:22:58 pm
Hello Everyone,

My wife, two daughters and I moved from the Western 'burbs of Detroit in March of '09.  There are several people here in NH from the mid-west, quiet a few from MI.

Please let me know what we can do to help you out.

You might want to consider getting on Facebook and looking up the "FSP Job Alert" "Porcu-profits" and "The Informal University."



Thanks for the support.  My move date right now is 2012, but Michigan is such a hellhole I may not be able to wait that long... 

Also I refuse to use Facebook, but thanks.

Our original date was 2011, but we bumped it up when my customers started declaring bankruptcy faster than I could find new ones.

 ::)

I understand the reservations about FB.  I won't try and convince you to use it.  However, I will tell you that several people use (ahem) pseudonyms when registering.  Do what you want with that info.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: rossby on August 01, 2010, 04:38:13 pm
Hello Everyone,

My wife, two daughters and I moved from the Western 'burbs of Detroit in March of '09.  There are several people here in NH from the mid-west, quiet a few from MI.

Please let me know what we can do to help you out.

You might want to consider getting on Facebook and looking up the "FSP Job Alert" "Porcu-profits" and "The Informal University."



Thanks for the support.  My move date right now is 2012, but Michigan is such a hellhole I may not be able to wait that long... 

Former Genesee County resident. Get out while you can.
Title: Re: Midwest FSP -- MI, n OH, ne IN
Post by: magnetic on August 05, 2010, 08:36:13 pm
Hello Everyone,

My wife, two daughters and I moved from the Western 'burbs of Detroit in March of '09.  There are several people here in NH from the mid-west, quiet a few from MI.

Please let me know what we can do to help you out.

You might want to consider getting on Facebook and looking up the "FSP Job Alert" "Porcu-profits" and "The Informal University."



Thanks for the support.  My move date right now is 2012, but Michigan is such a hellhole I may not be able to wait that long... 

Also I refuse to use Facebook, but thanks.

Our original date was 2011, but we bumped it up when my customers started declaring bankruptcy faster than I could find new ones.

 ::)

I understand the reservations about FB.  I won't try and convince you to use it.  However, I will tell you that several people use (ahem) pseudonyms when registering.  Do what you want with that info.

I just don't understand how to use Facebook.   :-\

Right now all of my disposable income goes towards paying off debt.  It will be totally eliminated next year, and then I will sell of as much of my other things as I can in order to have some capital (you know, savings, which the government abhors) before I move. 

I intend to go into business for myself.  When you realize that you could do a far better job than your employer, that's when it is time to start your own business.

Glad to hear that your date got moved up.  The only thing that might move mine up is losing my job... which is unlikely, I keep getting promoted!